Harry alleges/describes William physically attacking him in 2019

[Rinoachicken]

www.theguardian.com/books/2023/jan/04/prince-harry-william-physical-attack-2019-meghan-spare-book?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Not really sure what to make of this tbh…

@Tulipomania
if these unelected randoms can’t stand the heat they should get out the kitchen. The house of Windsor is a collection of extremely flawed individuals thoroughly unsuited to represent a mid-sized company never mind a mid-sized country + commonwealth.

You're minimising a highly likely false accusation against a prominent member of society who's a victim of an agenda to smear in order to sell books. Why is William being discarded as a victim of abuse here?

H&M keep saying they want to 'modernise' the monarchy but what makes them think the British electorate would support the Z list celebrity style Monarchy they are modelling?

They're not using their platform for good, when they visit they're still costing a failing system vast sums in security and police presence, not to mention the environmental damage of the flights. Given the 'revelations' and 'their truth' why on EARTH would they want to attend the coronation? The only reason could be to monetise it and cost suffering taxpayers even more whilst raking it in by courting the press intrusion they claim to hate (actions speak louder than words).

The ONLY reason I'm not actively campaigning to abolish the monarchy is because I appreciated the Queen's quiet service and the example of duty without endless entitlement and navel gazing. There are a number of other royals who follow her example such as Princess Anne too. I came to really appreciate the Queen and the sort of antidote to the very mentally unhealthy celeb culture that is rampant elsewhere she provided - we have youtube 'stars' earning more than nurses - that's a broken society.

I thought her adherence to the (somewhat batshit) lockdown rules at Prince Philip's funeral was a good example of this as well as the fact she met Liz Truss just a few days before she died. Doing her duty (and then some) and she didn't complain. Based on the numbers queuing to respectfully see her lying in state, I'm not the only one who respected this.

As far as I can tell from having had to queue for an hour to even get into Versailles, if we got rid of the lot of them and could open all the palaces and castles 24/7 we'd probably get more tourism.

But it's him constantly bringing up being the spare, even in this argument. He's in his 30s. Can you imagine how trying this has been for all those round him listening to him whining on how he's second best for 20 years?

Is he constantly bringing it up ,has he constantly being doing this in his family conversations ?
He is talking about it now in this book ,as is the publicity machine around it ,but do we know what he's said of it in the past ?

And even if has gone on about it to William ,so what ? Isn't William a loving brother who can tolerate being annoyed by a younger brother who isn't coping with a fact of life ? I had a younger sibling with a big chip on his shoulder (based on reality ) but I loved him ,understood where he was coming from and tried to deal with it .William can't do that ?

Just another reminder - they left because they didn’t get the half in/ half out arrangement they wanted .

On what possible basis @HotChoxs are you claiming it's highly likely to be false? Other than your own bias obviously.

Does anyone else think the bullying report might be leaked soon ?

No Netflix had the book, in fact they had to refilm many segments as they compared the book to what they said on interview and it was different so they made them redo it so it matched.

I dunno, I mean all that happened here is William grabbed harry and pushed him and harry fell over. Broke the dog bowl, which in many images the food bowls are black plastic, it’s the water bowl that’s metal.

I mean sure it’s not great but it’s hardly beating the crap out of him. The more interesting bit is William thinking Meghan is rude and abrasive behind closed doors.

I've explained it all over this thread. Not doing it again.

@PigsDontFly

www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/jan/21/prince-harry-afghanistan

Oh yes. It’s coming.

as Redglitter said: Its almost like he's trying to see what it'll take for them to speak out

I do think this is the heart of it. It’s a really sad for any family fall out to be played out in public. Unfortunately one side of the argument also relies on speaking out about his knowledge of this fall out for his income for the moment.

Replaying his side of the recalled incidents publicly over time will have to get more and more attention-grabbing because after a while most people in the audience will feel they have already got the measure of the situation. It feels like that’s what we’re seeing, an incremental escalation.

But everyone involved will know that regardless of the rights and wrongs of what’s happened which will never be really known or addressed, there does need to be a response from the palace in order to keep the media friction going into the future. If the palace stay ‘grey rock’ Harry’s platform has to run out of steam fairly soon.

I think Prince Harry seems really vulnerable as you’d imagine after his life experience of child bereavement and then seeing active service and his bizarre Royal upbringing. He is very angry about it all and he is telling his subjective truth from his own side of things.

However I don’t think it rings true that he would be willing to make up stuff completely that had never at all happened. Prince Harry has had a lot of training to be dutiful and respect authority of one kind or another and part of his current self image seems to be that of a strongly ethical, truth-telling, nature, post-therapy person who is interested in justice and injustice and power imbalances. I do believe him. And I would also be prepared to believe there are other sides to his story from other people’s perspectives that we will never hear. Recollections may vary as the Queen wisely said.

Someone needs to tell them that when they drip feed out more and more escalating details, if they have made them up the inconsistencies will become more and more obvious.

Things like the "secret marriage in the garden" where the Archbishop of Canterbury was forced to point out that it was not true to this stuff. We at least can rule out them starting a writing careers in Hollywood, they can't get a story straight.

This.

H&M have made endless allegations about W&K and they are not in a position to respond. That seems quite abusive itself to me.

Maybe it went both ways, maybe it didn't. We don't have enough evidence to know for sure but given the fact H&M seem to video and photograph literally every other detail of their life the lack of photographic evidence is quite telling as is the fact there's been no mention of this at all from other quarters.

We're not in a position to know what William did.

We are in a position to judge about the abusiveness of the books, interviews and docudramas H&M have endlessly put into the public domain.

Haven't read twt so may have already been said but I bet the Government secretly love this. For some people anyway,I'm not sure how many, it diverts attention from the NHS crisis, the cost of living, the continuing strikes.......

@RhymeHasAReason

This is not an example of domestic violence. That’s why it’s unhelpful.

Because neither H or M have jobs which will keep them in the manner they have become accustomed. Meghan is a mediocre cable actress, Harry relies on his royal title for media work etc.

if you look at other members of the royal family they manage a ‘normal’ life alongside a royal connection but do work. Even Beatrice & Eugenie have done ok for themselves. Mike Tindall gets away with reality tv shows but was an international rugby player. And they manage all this without the drama H&M seem to cause.

I think Harry forgets how privileged he is.

My sister once lunged at my other sister in a row over something - knocked her flying, my mother screamed, dad came running, it was all over in moments as I watched from a crack in my bedroom door. This was decades ago, it was resolved and we moved on. The notion of it being reported in a national newspaper and dissected by every man and his dog is just mortifying. Why does Harry think this is ok? To discuss these things in public. He is pathetic.

Ultimately I don’t think what Harry is doing will change anything significant long term which makes his public airing of grievance (even where it’s justified) feel all the more sad and fruitless, and sacrificing of family relationships which he might need and value in future. The nature of his family dynamics means going public is a huge and possibly permanent source of loss of trust between family members because the private and public lives need to be kept so far apart in a RF.

But William will be King one day notwithstanding any of this. The Royal Family have endured in the UK for millennia and Harry’s critique is an annus horribilis for King Charles at the moment but it won’t shake the concept of the institution itself. The monarchy will survive as a concept long beyond the individuals currently arguing with each other.

The other thing that has bothered me about this whole situation is the impact on Williams children. By dredging up all these perceived slights against him George Charlotte and Louis will now face gossip and prying.

He has absolutely no regard for the innocent children caught in the middle of this. And the fact that the whole thing is over William trying to stick up for his staff who he felt were bullied and treated appallingly speaks volumes.

Harry has no idea how badly this reflects on him because this whole situation actually leads a bit of weight to the fact that the staff were bullied. I fully believe if the bullying allegations were false that they would have published the report. The fact it’s kept as an “inside matter” or whatever term they used makes me think there was truth to the allegations and it was buried to protect Harry and Meghan.

I can’t remember that book that came out last year about the courtiers. Does anyone remember it? I want to download it to the Kindle.

The man really is a prized idiot. I really hope that dog bowl hurt.

@romatheroamer 💯

Watch what gets buried by all sides of the political equations today.

Mick Lynch must be weeping into his cornflakes.

Because it doesn’t make sense.

Read it again, and try to imagine it playing out exactly as written.

How can Harry be simultaneously calm and shouting over William, trading insults?

Why would William accept a glass of water, just to put it down and then lunge, with Harry doing saying nothing in between?

Then after Harry fell on the bowl (never says William pushed him, threw him etc) William says get up and fight me like we did as children?

Nah

As a pp said. It’s all so Jeremy Kyle. But for money.

the notion that Meghan wasn’t allowed a therapist whilst harry had his on speed dial is beyond ludicrous.

the whole thing is petty Jeremy Kyle salacious gossip for cash. It’s just shameful.

when Harry says it didn’t need to be like this, what he means is, if they’d let us do half and half I’d not be selling stories for spite and cash

I'm quite shocked. I know people say siblings fight, but they were grown adults in their 30s not teenagers. I know my DH had a few fist fights with his older brother in their late teens/early 20s but not when they were married or in their late 30s.(no dog bowls were involved)

But I can reconcile this incident with Harry saying he would like his brother back. Why would he want to reconcile with William if this is his character, and what he's like, and why would William want to reconcile when he's just been outed/accused of violence in a massively public way?

Yep.

So many children in the UK starving. Families needing food banks, NHS broken, people can't heat their homes. H&M strangely silent on all this for people who identify as good.

We really could do without the cost and distraction of them coming for the Coronation.

Will they do the decent, environmentally friendly thing and stay home? I'm betting not.