Harry alleges/describes William physically attacking him in 2019

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www.theguardian.com/books/2023/jan/04/prince-harry-william-physical-attack-2019-meghan-spare-book?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Not really sure what to make of this tbh…

‘Grabbed collar’ - given HAM’s relaxed approach to detail this could easily have been a clumsy hand on the shoulder in an attempt to calm someone down- then angrily shaken off causing a dog bowl trip. William, having met M and knowing how vulnerable H is, must have been very worried/ infuriated with his brother.

If I were William, I'd have had to restrain myself from murdering him, several times over.

H pushes people to the limit. The only one who comes out of this badly is Harry, for telling the world, behaving like a toddler, and worse- doing it for money.

If two adult men have a heated row, and one has behaved in a way that would try the patience of a saint, is it understandable that the other, pushed to the absolute limits, grabs him by the T shirt of whatever, which results in him falling over?

That's actually what you're doing. I've explained why William is the victim through reason and logic and you've discarded it because he's a Rich Powerful King.

TBH Harry seems to be a little economical with the truth and likes to exaggerate. Not sure I’m buying it. Either way - it’s grim to air your dirty laundry in public. The family should ignore it and not respond

Very true.

Surely this is coming from Meghan? Cutting him off from his family, and most of the UK, making him more dependent on her.

“grabbed me by the collar, ripping my necklace,

😂😂😂😂😂😂

Oh dear lord-it shouldn't be funny at all should it?

So why does Harry want his brother back?

Harry is a big, rangy bloke. He has been trained to look after himself and could have anyone trussed upside down hanging from the rafters in a couple of seconds. No way would William have won if it had been a real fight.

Just another sprat thrown out for the H&M media machine.

I agree. Totally missed the point. Charles begs his boys to make peace and divulging this private conversation is also spectacularly bad taste.

@Jean67

You've nailed it. Before Meghan knew he knew exactly what his place was. He loved William and Kate and the three of them were the publics 'golden trio'. When he was free and single, he seemed to live by the 'Second born sons have more fun' motto. And then Meghan came along. And she wasn't happy just being the spare's wife. Harry saying that he and Meghan would have been better King and Queen is indeed proof that they wanted to be King and Queen.

Going off on a target here, the pictures of the metal dog bowls have just been shown on Lorraine.

*tangent

TBF he’s a big boy but it does have the trappings of and abusive relationship. Abusers isolate their OHs from their family and insitigate fall outs that never happened before

RhymeHasAReason · Today 08:30

HotChoxs · Today 08:25

It really is. Throw in the fact that the alleged victim is a wealthy Prince who can jet off to live in a US mansion free of charge with police escort in tow and it's ludicrous.

It’s people’s thought process that it shows. To be a victim, you have to be poor or small built for example. It’s like when people think rich people can’t suffer from depression.

Good point Rhymehasreason.IMO Harry hasn't coped well with loosing his mother and feeling (and being) second best .

No. There is never an excuse, apart from self defense in a physical attack, for putting your hands on another person in anger.

Apologies if this point has already been made but why, if Harry had a therapist on hand whom he phone after being shoved by his brother, was it impossible for Meghan to get any psychiatric help when she was feeling suicidal? I don't understand why Harry was able to access therapy but she couldn't/wasn't allowed to.

Isn’t there some protocol in the RF about getting medical assistance and hence mental health assistance such that MM would have had to speak to “HR” before obtaining a therapist for herself?

No there isn't.
In fact the opposite is the case.
Like everyone their health is a private matter and they manage it privately.

And although Harry's therapist may not have been able to take Meghan in I'm sure they could have made a recommendation...

How did Harry find a therapist?

I’m guessing it went something like this

Well exactly. It doesn’t quite add up.

So much minimising on this thread. William's Harry's big brother - Harry probably looked up to him growing up. I think you can be an adult, 6', army trained and still feel fear from family when they are angry and not feel you able to fight back every time. You don't have to be physically weak to be assaulted.

I can't see why Harry would lie about something like this. If it really was the case that Harry can say anything and then RF can't reply, then you could make up anything to make yourself sound better or the story more colourful. The details don't sound fake - the details sound mundane and real to me.

My opinion of William is much poorer now. The excerpt doesn't sound like a verbal argument escalated into a physical one. Harry said to William that he wasn't helping and William took offense to that and punched him. That's pretty awful.

I'm not staying Harry is right to give away private details like this either, but I can understand why he wants to get his side of the story out there.

So many contradictions from H&M between their Netflix whingefest and now this book. I feel sorry for Harry as he had been completely manipulated and love bombed into thinking black is white. No wonder after the Queen’s funeral and the obvious change in mood in the UK towards them that he ran back to try and change the book content. On some level he knows this is wrong and peddling your family dirty laundry he knows would’ve upset the Queen. What a terrible betrayal of his family relationships on any level. Sadly Harry is mixed up with a massive narcissist and for anyone who knows what it’s like to have one pervade a family with a sibling it is immensely frustrating. Nothing makes them see sense until they hit rock bottom. Harry has a way to go yet.

What most people forget when defending H in all of this is that the bulk of Diana’s estate was left to Harry as she knew William was provided for. Had he used that money (it was millions) wisely since he inherited it he could’ve been sitting on a fortune. Instead he’s funded an unaffordable lifestyle of £2500 dresses and a mansion full of staff none of which is sustainable long-term for a 7th-on-the-call-sheet actress and a 35yo old with no job. He was offered the opportunity to stay in the fold and retain his security etc but Meghan had by this time realised the RF don’t have huge personal wealth, weren’t the Trumps and she wasn’t allowed to keep any of the free stuff but still had to turn up and write positive messages on bananas for sex workers for no pay.

When Meghan claimed she’d never been to Buckingham Palace an (ex) friend of hers pretty hacked off at her treatment of Husband No1 sold a picture to the UK press of Meghan sat outside… Buckingham Palace. Apparently the friend was fed up of the lies Meghan was parroting as if they were truths. The very fact she had virtually no family at the wedding and very few actual friends (many of the celebrity wedding guests admitted they’d never met her including I think Oprah) should have raised massive red flags to all.

The only way this stops is if we stop giving it airtime in the UK. Don’t buy the book, don’t be clickbait, don’t give Netflix any more viewers.

I am 😂at the nickname Harold, that just makes Harry sound so plain unattractive.

I actually think the fact that William felt angry and wound up reflects well on him. He cares deeply for his staff and felt helpless watching how his brother was being manipulated by Meghan. Harry and Meghan must have come across as so demanding and rude. It makes William seem human, he did NOT hit or punch Harold but and whatever happened in that posh kitchen, we have only heard one side.

Contents of the book will keep us all entertained and gasping while we are faced with COL, global warming, threat of a nuclear war. Harold needs to be managed and I wouldn't be surprised if the whole picture didn't look rather different in a years time.

Harry is right in one aspect, he is his mothers son and not in a good way. What a nasty backstabbing bore he is.

😁Bloody love MN. Too many sensible Mums saying 'erm, well your account doesn't really add up'. Many of us have children of course and know that sometimes they bend the truth although the truth for Harry does seem to be more than bent. He seems honestly almost delusional at this point.

Does he not realise that if your story is 'press intrusion' has caused you untold suffering actually COURTING press intrusion in your life by having Netflix docudramas and endless interviews and books means that any harms that result is really a) your fault and b) not healthy?

Given H &M have videoed basically everything else I call bullshit on this story. I also don't believe there wouldn't have been a leak about an actual physical fight between the brothers by now from staff.

Agree also with PP who says that Harry having a therapist then 'not knowing who to turn to' when Meghan was suffering doesn't make any sense.

I can't see why Harry would lie about something like this.

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No. It shouldn’t. But it’s not stopped me laughing for most of the morning.

Its the same with a man wearing a Fanny pack.

The idea that among two men in their late 30s William was so intimidating to Harry who had been in the Army? Even without Army training family fights don’t go down like this, as other have said this would be rather more Bridget Jones' Diary than a nightclub brawl.

I can well believe that William was angry with Harry at staff being mistreated following multiple HR complaints about Megan’s treatment of junior staff, but I don’t buy the image trying to be portrayed here of the 12 year old brother beating up the 10 year old. Harry was not a 10 year old kid he was a late 30s ex-soldier, his older brother shouting at him would not be that scary.

However, I can imagine he may have been avoiding his brother because he knew William was right and Harry had been allowing the mistreatment of staff (and knew better). If it was over something where Harry know he was in the wrong I suspect you would see the emotions that he is trying to communicate here. If William was to confront Harry about something illegitimate I suspect Harry would have no issue holding his own.