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Harry alleges/describes William physically attacking him in 2019

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Rinoachicken · 05/01/2023 00:10

www.theguardian.com/books/2023/jan/04/prince-harry-william-physical-attack-2019-meghan-spare-book?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Not really sure what to make of this tbh…

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MissMarpleRocks · 05/01/2023 08:39

Bubbylana · 05/01/2023 08:22

Ive just read The Traitor king about The Duke of Windsor and Wallis Simpson. Harry and Megan are so similar to the Windsors its un-canny (except for WW2).

That was an excellent book. The parallels are so similar.

I did actually feel sorry for Wallis as she hadn’t really wanted to marry David but felt she had no choice. I wonder if Meghan feels the same bit regrets marrying someone so emotionally stunted he can only see himself & not what he inflicts on others. I wouldn’t want to be married to someone like that.

BellePeppa · 05/01/2023 08:39

I’m just trying to work out if Harry has thrown his brother to the wolves or if he’s fed him to the wolves - because there’s a difference you know.

Personally I think William deserves this 🥇

TheUndoing · 05/01/2023 08:39

If Harry has a therapist on speed-dial why was it so
hard to source one for Meghan when she was suicidal?

NinjaWarriorCooker · 05/01/2023 08:41

Greenshake · 05/01/2023 00:44

It’s the drip feed that gets me. This has been deliberately strung out to achieve maximum drama.

Absolutely!!

It's like a long running soap opera.

TheCockatoosCrest · 05/01/2023 08:42

@Bubbylana I read that and thought so too. I had previously assumed The Duke of Windsor left and lived a private life - but no they were the same with the sense of entitlement, wanting roles, giving interviews, writing books etc. History really does repeat itself. Astonishing.

OnemoresliceofChristmascake · 05/01/2023 08:42

A wise person once commented that ‘Recollections may vary’

Drfosters · 05/01/2023 08:42

I don’t condone violence but I can see that William has reached the end of his tether. It probably was far less dramatic than made out. Personally I like william more for defending his staff and taking his position that seriously from someone trying to undermine it.

Serenster · 05/01/2023 08:43

Can you imagine how cringeworthy it’s going to be hearing Harry narrate this in his terribly posh voice in the audiobook? 🤣

Bobbins36 · 05/01/2023 08:43

fartichoke · 05/01/2023 08:22

The whole book, according to the Guardian, is Harry's resentment about being the 'spare' to the heir. Fucking hell, he's coming across as a proper knob.

Yep.

blobby10 · 05/01/2023 08:43

Two things don't ring true with this to me:

  1. Harry had supposedly been on the front line in Afghanistan - why is he so intimidated by other people
  2. If this happened and was such an intimidating and horrific experience why was William still his best man at the wedding a short time later?
Treetrim · 05/01/2023 08:44

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 05/01/2023 08:35

It just sums him up. Nothing is ever his fault. It's always someone else's. He's pathetic and trapped in a victim mentality.

Did he accuse them, well that’s baby behaviour. He as a grown man

Vermin · 05/01/2023 08:44

@milti has helpfully posted a photo of the dog bowls up thread. THEY’RE METAL.
can we safely assume therefore that nothing shattered under his back?

slideintomxas · 05/01/2023 08:44

Blip · 05/01/2023 08:37

So I assume that the ghost writer sat down with Harry and said tell me your best story for this book Harry. Harry says I was in the army for 10 years and in two active tours of duty but then when I was 34 my brother pushed me over in the kitchen and I landed on my dogs bowl which left a bruise. I phoned my therapist straight away for emergency support.

And this is the highlight of the whole book as reported by the Guardian who have obtained an advance copy.

This! 😂

Museya15 · 05/01/2023 08:45

I remember reading over the years staff found Harry a wretched spoilt boy who behaved like a brat, apparently he made Charles life hell when he was growing up. Don't know whether it's true but I know I read it on more than one occasion. I feel sorry for Harry, he is very naive.

napody · 05/01/2023 08:45

TheCockatoosCrest · 05/01/2023 08:28

How much are you betting that Harry giving William a glass of water in the kitchen was not the placating gesture he words it as. I much more envisage a glass being snatched out of a cupboard, water being poured and thrown over William with a scream of 'You need to cool down Willy old chap, have a drink on me'. Willy, losing his rag grabs Harold by his necklace and screams 'You my friend can take a cooling drink from the dog bowl'

I know I wasn't in the room blah blah and I know throwing water at someone is not a justification for violence etc. Just speculating. I can't wait for this period to be covered in the Crown.

You have a gift!

Diverseopinions · 05/01/2023 08:45

00100001 · 05/01/2023 07:33

Did anyone ever hear Harry refer to Let as Willy before now?

Why are people picking up on Harold? It's hardly unbelievable that they might have called each other these names growing up

I think Harold is likely, as a nickname.

Names with end in 'y' sound like pet names, and smooth and flowing, even if it's the usually-used name, and sometimes giving each other nicknames, as family or friends, involves changing up the tone and making it different.

I know someone called Louise, and she is sometimes: Lou, Loosie, Luigi. Luigi is a particular favourite of her family, it gives a bit of bite and character.

BadgerB · 05/01/2023 08:46

clyspa · Today 01:34
I think the bullying stuff was part of it and I suspect Harry was not willing to hear anything against M or felt it wasn't how it was being reported to PW and PW should believe them.

I agree that the staff being bullied (by M) was what very probably what provoked the meeting. Then W was incensed when H refused to accept M was wrong in any way. To H, obviously the staff were lying (because M was a "humanitarian" and wouldn't behave like that.)
I can quite see why M would want to leave, and live with the one person who would believe anything she chose to say.

RhymeHasAReason · 05/01/2023 08:49

blobby10 · 05/01/2023 08:43

Two things don't ring true with this to me:

  1. Harry had supposedly been on the front line in Afghanistan - why is he so intimidated by other people
  2. If this happened and was such an intimidating and horrific experience why was William still his best man at the wedding a short time later?

Wasn’t this incident after the wedding?

BellePeppa · 05/01/2023 08:49

potniatheron · 05/01/2023 08:35

The wording doesn't ring true for me at all.

Look we've all got sons, brothers, partners, husbands, fathers, male friends. Most of us have seen how a minor fight between two relatively well brought up men goes.

It's a tussle. It's more like westling. It's slow, awkward and chaotic. Someone pulls someone, someone pushes someone. A punch gets thrown and misses or doesn't quite land. Especially when the two fellows are middle aged and middle class or above. It's not like a fight between two tooled up, boozed up young nutters outside a B League football ground. It's awkward, slow and a bit of a letdown. (Unless one of the combatants has frontline close combat training and would instinctively defend themselves of course, but that doesn't seem to have happened here.)

So that's what a real middle aged middle class 'fight' is like. A slow, awkward, embarrassing tussle. Whereas what's being described in this extract is a scene from a Marvel movie. One assailant, moving 'so, so fast'. The other person doing nothing to defend themselves. The assailant possessed of such superhuman strength that he's able to THROW the other person to the floor in ONE GO (ever tried that? It's surprisingly difficult. Human beings are quite good at staying on their feet when they have to. Especially when they're younger, heavier and fitter than the assailant). Younger person falls with such force that he breaks a dog bowl which tend to be ceramic, shallow, thick sides. He broke it??? Did he fall from 40 feet, is William really that strong? Or was Harry wearing chainmail? Press X to doubt this detail.

The assailant them STORMS out, pausing only, Arnie-like, to deliver the final, chilling last word - although he forgets himself and uses his victim's pet name, weird thing to do after a terrifying smackdown,

Nah, it didn't happen like this.

😂 love it.

User12453315 · 05/01/2023 08:50

Firstly, Netflix must be livid that he left this bit of hot tea for the publisher after all those mils they paid.

Secondly, there's a sinister subtext that Harry must be aware would come out if he paints William as an explosive, physically violent man behind closed doors. Has William done that to Kate? How likely is it that someone prone to violent outbursts would only save that for one single person in their life and be gentle and mild to everyone else?

Thirdly, it doesn't paint H&M in a good light at all if the source of the argument was about Meghan. He was always the smarter of the two and there's no reason to doubt his judgement. He met her in person and was able to form an opinion well away from the press. Considering his own history with his mother and the press, he would have been absolutely stupid to go reading and believing tabloid stories about Meghan.

Harry sounds like a victim of a narcissist and the money making machine in the USA. As someone said, the timing and revelations in the documentary, books etc were absolutely calculated by a team and nothing to do with him anymore. He was a pawn for many companies to make big money and nobody truly cares about what impact that has on his life. He is only 38 with virtually no work experience. He has zero understanding of the publishing and film industries, and they gleefully exploited him in the USA.

LuluBlakey1 · 05/01/2023 08:51

I have no time for Harry and Megan and even less after the tv series and book, interviews etc. It's all vindictive behaviour done with the intent (imho) of causing damage.

It's an old story- two brother's, one first-born and golden boy, one feeling second best who marries a wife seen as difficult by the family. Tensions rise and the brothers have a row and a scuffle. I mean how many times do we read on mnet about people not getting on with adult siblings/sibling tension,SILs who cause tension. So William grabbed his collar and snapped his necklace after a flare up . They sound like two teenage boys squabbling and I bet they've done it many times before. I couldn't care less about it.

Harry's motivation in revealing it is awful.

Facecream · 05/01/2023 08:51

For the PPs who say why didn’t Harry/Henry/Harold use his therapist for Meghan/the devil… you can’t just give someone else to your therapist as a client. Most therapists would never counsel a husband and also their wife (unless couples therapy).
Isn’t there some protocol in the RF about getting medical assistance and hence mental health assistance such that MM would have had to speak to “HR” before obtaining a therapist for herself?

At any rate, whatever side people are on it sounds like these two brothers need to get in the ring (metaphorically) and have it out.

TrashyPanda · 05/01/2023 08:51

Yet again, Harry is impervious to the fact his pathetic whimpering show him as a spoilt, moaning little git.

he is jealous of his brother.
that is what his problem is and someone is stoking his resentment.

describing how you plonked your arse on a dog bowl cos your big, bad brother pushed you - wise up, Harry. You’re a bloody army veteran, not an 8 year old. Plus we all know who has the hair trigger temper - we’ve all seen the photos of red-faced, angry Harry being restrained outside a nightclub and looking like he was spoiling for a fight.

LuluBlakey1 · 05/01/2023 08:52

It actually sounds a bit like the tussle in Bridget Jones Diary.

MarshaMelrose · 05/01/2023 08:52

But that was my bowl....

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