Page 16 | Harry alleges/describes William physically attacking him in 2019

Rinoachicken · 2023-01-05T00:10:31+00:00

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2023/jan/04/prince-harry-william-physical-attack-2019-meghan-spare-book?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other Not really sure what to make of this tbh…

ExhaustedFlamingo · 05/01/2023 07:17

DewinDwl · 05/01/2023 07:03

Agog at people falling over themselves to justify and minimise an assault, defend the perpetrator and mock the victim.

I wonder what this board's reaction would have been if the allegation was that H hit W.

If PW told the world that H had shoved him over/hit him, I'd probably believe it. Mainly because he doesn't have a track record in half truths/lies and it would be hugely significant for PW to come out and tell that kind of story publicly.

But if you'd asked me a few years back, I would have believed H too.

The only reason for my healthy dose of scepticism is that H seems to be fond of missing out key facts, telling half the story or ALWAYS painting himself as the victim even when events suggest that it's not the case. If H were ever able to put forward a more honest and balanced account, taking some responsibility, he'd be more believable. But the absolute bollocks he's spewed in recent years means that I'm loathe to believe a word he says unless it can be independently proven.

And that story about PW attacking him has more holes than the colander in my kitchen. Something may well have happened - but I suspect H hasn't given the full story, or acknowledged his part in it. The story just doesn't make sense when you dissect it, step by step.

I'm not a fan of H & M, but the truth really does matter to me (autistic brain here!). The reason I dislike H&M is because of their loose relationship with the truth, and their willingness to alter reality to suit their narrative. If I thought H was telling the truth here, I would say. But my gut instinct is that it's another half-spun story, warped to suit his adopted victim stance.

Jean67 · 05/01/2023 07:19

I hope to god Meghan never leaves him. He's absolutely fucked if she does. He's too sucked in to the charms of a narcissist to see what's happening to him. She's alienated from her family and now, surprise surprise, he's alienated from his. It's all a power game.

I know I'll be slated for this but I speak from very bitter and distressing experience.

MissMarpleRocks · 05/01/2023 07:19

All I can say the is the Tories must be loving this as people are looking at the royals & not the shitshow the tories are. Maybe that’s why the Mail is so anti H&M? Anything to keep their precious Tory party safe.

And Murdoch a republican I think so must be rubbing his hands in glee at this mess.

WinnieTheW0rm · 05/01/2023 07:19

Yes, the idea that William was duped by the press is the bit that most strains credulity.

Someone who is actually there, seeing the people concerned, with first hand experience? Who probably barely reads the (gutter) press, given his oft stated antipathy to them all

It's implausible isn't it?

I wonder if it'll be seen that was in US as well?

fajitaaaa · 05/01/2023 07:19

I knew people would doubt it as soon as I read it.
But I shall assume there is some sort of truth in it. I can't see why he would make up that he got injured by the dog bowl.
I believe someone when they've said they've been attacked and let the police sort out the details.

MuftiDay · 05/01/2023 07:21

Can't stand either of them or the RF in general. Does H mention W's affair rumours in his book?

Seriously, why would anyone look up to these people?

custardbear · 05/01/2023 07:21

FelicityFlops · 05/01/2023 06:31

Harry should never have left the army. It gave him routine, discipline and purpose in his own right.
However, given his background and training, why hasn't he set up his own security company/consultancy? That would, at least, have assured him and his family a regular and ongoing income.
I fear we will be subjected to more and more rehashing of insignificant events once the book and tv advances have been frittered away, unless these have been very well, and conservativel, invested - which I doubt.

If o had a security firm I'd want the person in charge to have 25+ years full on experience in a range of different things. Harry has been mollycoddled through officer training and seen a bit of action, hardly the experience required for such a business

MarshaMelrose · 05/01/2023 07:22

WinnieTheW0rm · 05/01/2023 07:19

Yes, the idea that William was duped by the press is the bit that most strains credulity.

Someone who is actually there, seeing the people concerned, with first hand experience? Who probably barely reads the (gutter) press, given his oft stated antipathy to them all

It's implausible isn't it?

I wonder if it'll be seen that was in US as well?

But I thought it was William giving these stories about Meghan to the press? So why does Harry accuse William of believing the made up stuff in the press if he believes that it originated from William in the first place?

It doesn't make sense.

HotChoxs · 05/01/2023 07:23

fajitaaaa · 05/01/2023 07:19

I knew people would doubt it as soon as I read it.
But I shall assume there is some sort of truth in it. I can't see why he would make up that he got injured by the dog bowl.
I believe someone when they've said they've been attacked and let the police sort out the details.

Can't see why?? Wants to sell lots of copies of his book? Hello?

MarshaMelrose · 05/01/2023 07:24

fajitaaaa · 05/01/2023 07:19

I knew people would doubt it as soon as I read it.
But I shall assume there is some sort of truth in it. I can't see why he would make up that he got injured by the dog bowl.
I believe someone when they've said they've been attacked and let the police sort out the details.

Did he report it to the police and can we read those sorted out details? 🤔

RhymeHasAReason · 05/01/2023 07:24

TheCockatoosCrest · 05/01/2023 07:14

I can imagine how infuriating Harry is. William goes to speak to him about the staff complaints of bullying - pissed off as you would be. This woman waltzes in and causes chaos with their (at that time) joint staff.

Harry, as he apparently himself claims - accuses William of believing the press narrative about his wife. It shows his complete and utter paranoid delusion. It is like, open your eyes Harry FFS.

So if someone feels someone else is infuriating and paranoid, it’s okay to be violent to them.

My best friends ex said he found her infuriating and paranoid...that’s why he broke her cheekbone and nose. Guess she should have been less ‘infuriating‘ and ‘paranoid’. It was all her fault really. That’s what her ex said actually, it was her fault, she wound him up. 🙄

Sirzy · 05/01/2023 07:24

The more that is leaked the less I believe but the more I feel sorry for Harry who it seems is being majorly manipulated by someone and can’t see the damage this is doing to any chances to rebuild bridges with his family.

airing dirty laundry in public like this is never going to help anyone in the long run.

Bunnycat101 · 05/01/2023 07:25

What I don’t understand is he doesn’t seem to realise there is no coming back from this now. He is a 40 year old moaning on when the country is going through a cost of living crisis which has already pissed people of. none of his rich/influential circle will be able to trust him as he’s shown he’s happy to spill secrets to the media about his own family.

I imagine there is some truth but suspect a lot is missing. Either way he must have known the headlines would focus on his allegation of assault. it’s like he’s now actively trying to bring down the royal family.

KathyCornwall · 05/01/2023 07:25

Rinoachicken · 05/01/2023 01:27

A few hundred years back, he’d have been thrown in the tower - I’d say being thrown in the dog food is getting off lightly!

I'm really tired this morning but thanks, this gave me cause to smirk 😏

EdithWeston · 05/01/2023 07:27

MistletoeandBaileys · 05/01/2023 06:54

I don’t believe it is as described. Maybe a shove in a shoulder but not an attack. As PP said if it was the case there would be pictures. Although if going by online this morning means anything people seem to be firmly on Williams side. This allegation is extremely serious though.

This isn’t going to be the outcome Harry is hoping for. I would be interested to see if Charles or William put out a statement. If Harry does turn his face up at the coronation in May I don’t think he will have a very warm reception from his family or the British public.

He has gone full scorched earth.

I'd be surprised if there were a statement from anyone.

They've gone full "grey rock" - and as there's a history of 'never complain, never explain' that is the sensible - and indeed unremarkable - thing to do.

FlairBand · 05/01/2023 07:27

I really hope that William continues to say nothing on this.

They’re already having to lie about lies and everyone has had enough.

I cannot believe that they still think people are interested in them. That’s how utterly deluded and narc they both are.

WhenIAmOldIShallWearPurple · 05/01/2023 07:27

If a woman had made these claims against William all of Mumsnet would be falling over themselves to post "I believe her."

I have no idea if these claims are true or not but the minimising on here is grim and hypocritical.

Mummyoflittledragon · 05/01/2023 07:28

GrinAndVomit · 05/01/2023 07:13

So what we’re being expected to believe is:

William was “piping hot” after reading newspaper stories. He had no evidence. He had not spoken to any of the staff concerned. He had not witnessed this behaviour first hand. He just read “media lies” and became enraged.

He and Harry then had a shouting match, in which insults were traded, yet Harry remained completely calm and passive. Even though the argument was about the behaviour of Harry’s beloved wife, and William was “piping hot” he was able to remain emotionless while having this shouting match.

Harry helpfully got William a glass of water. William, while still in the middle of red-mist-rage, calmly waited for this glass to be poured, took it from him and gently placed it on the counter.

William then grabbed Harry and shook him like a wet rag before throwing him into a bowl of dog food and breaking Harry’s necklace.

I don’t buy it.

More likely would be:

Staff went to William with concerns and evidence of bullying.

William went to Harry to confront him about Meghan’s treatment of staff.

Harry became defensive and an argument ensued.

Harry became equally as angry as William and squared up to him. William grabbed his collar and pushed him away.

I agree with others that this potential explanation sounds more believable.

HotChoxs · 05/01/2023 07:29

RhymeHasAReason · 05/01/2023 07:24

So if someone feels someone else is infuriating and paranoid, it’s okay to be violent to them.

My best friends ex said he found her infuriating and paranoid...that’s why he broke her cheekbone and nose. Guess she should have been less ‘infuriating‘ and ‘paranoid’. It was all her fault really. That’s what her ex said actually, it was her fault, she wound him up. 🙄

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That's not what they said for a start

Secondly Harry has been in combat and shot people. People that do that don't have a self protection mechanism that just allows people to knock them down without a serious violent struggle. I can't believe anyone can picture him being knocked over like a defenceless kid who falls on his dog bowl. How gullible can people be.

00100001 · 05/01/2023 07:29

Oldsu · 05/01/2023 03:01

HAROLD????? is that a pet name William had for Harry then? as Harry is actually Henry

Apparently so.

As is Willy being a pet name for Harry's brother

And I'm fairly sure William knows Harry's real name...

ShamedBySiri · 05/01/2023 07:30

I love that it was the Guardian that got the scoop with the leaked copy. Somehow I don't think that was an accident.

PreparationPreparationPrep · 05/01/2023 07:31

FlairBand · 05/01/2023 07:27

I really hope that William continues to say nothing on this.

They’re already having to lie about lies and everyone has had enough.

I cannot believe that they still think people are interested in them. That’s how utterly deluded and narc they both are.

But that's not true is it - people are interested in them. Good or bad there is certainly a lot of interest.

MissyB1 · 05/01/2023 07:32

JamMakingWannaBe · 05/01/2023 01:06

This is the reason to buy cheap plastic dog bowls from B&M rather than expensive ceramic ones. They cause much less injury when you fall onto them.

Missing details - did the Winalot stain his trousers?

I want more info on the broken necklace too.

Yes! Those are all the things that struck me too! I’m now eyeing my dogs bowl as a potential source of injury, and I will be careful to plan no fights whilst wearing any jewellery.
We do need to see a picture of that necklace though.

00100001 · 05/01/2023 07:33

picnicshicnic · 05/01/2023 03:05

I was wondering about this too.

His name is Harry, short for Henry. But I've seen him referred to a couple of times lately, the other being in that thing Jeremy Clarkson published.

I know Clarkson is a buffoon, but surely he (or the editor) does basic fact checking? And this is written by Harry himself?

Does anybody know about the Harold thing?

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Did anyone ever hear Harry refer to Let as Willy before now?

Why are people picking up on Harold? It's hardly unbelievable that they might have called each other these names growing up

KalvinPhillipsBoots · 05/01/2023 07:34

She is ruining Harry, evil woman, when his rose tinted glasses fall he will eventually see her for the player she is. And good for William, so Harry running to the highest bidder has back fired because no one cares.