Do Harry and Meghan realise hardly anyone supports them?

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So everywhere there seems to be complete negativity towards the Netflix documentary and the autobiography coming out. They seem to be universally slated as whingers.
so how much do you think this feeds back to them? It must be v easy to live in a bubble with close supporters telling them they are doing a grand job. But how much reality do you think gets through of how badly they are coming across,

Having seen the doc, they seem genuine to me. Nothing bombshell being revealed, all seems reasonable and rational. The RF press office seem to hate not being able to control H&M and so aim to catastrophise every little thing to try and then the British public against them. Its so blatant to me anyway.

I haven’t met anyone in real life that supports them (friends family and workplace).

Do you really not see through the lies and propaganda spread against them in the british press at the behest of the Firm?

The Firm has always closed ranks against its lessor members to protect the line of succession. Bad luck for Harry that he worked harder than the heir, was often more popular and married a woman with a actual work ethic but who was an easy target for the establishment - foreign and mixed race, she might as well have had a target painted on her forehead.

Most people I know appreciate that there were blips in Meghan's introduction to royal life, as there were with all who have married into the RF...

BUT they are turned off by the lies and exaggerations and distortions. So they no longer pay much attention to them, at least since the Oprah interview when so many statements were made that were manipulative and/or untrue.

And they've all had enough with the complaining.

All the UK opinion polls are unfavourable and increasingly so.

Supposedly they don't care about this as they are focused on the USA.

I can't believe that they enjoy being so unpopular in the UK though given that they still like to attend prestigious state occasions.

a) because if there was a relevancy test, mist MN threads would go pfft
b) people like to have a natter about what's in the headlines
c) this pair keep pushing themselves into the headlines

It's a shame there isn't more printed about things like the Countess of Wessex's work against VAWG, FGM and rape a tool of war, especially when she delivers those messages to high level audiences in affected countries overseas.

"The Firm has always closed ranks against its lessor members to protect the line"

I don't think that's true. There were calls for the utterly disgraced Wessexes to retire as they were so damaging. But The Firm didn't close ranks against them. They ended the "half in half out" model, as it didn't work. We don't know if they were offered an in/out choice, as no-one's ever spoken about it, but the upshot is that they stayed. And after 20 years rehab by unexceptional performance of duties and getting to know their key charities well enough to be real assets, people barely remember the scandal (let alone the strength of the outcry.

This is generally much like anyone I know.

Coming back to the OP, I too wonder if they care. As it is they are coining it in. If they had left amicably and relations were good with the rf, there would be no Oprah interviews, documentaries, books etc etc. There is no money in happy stories, people want soap-opera levels of drama and this knocks even Dallas and Dynasty into a cocked hat.

I think Harry at least is on a mission to get “revenge” for seemingly everything, including being born second (which I must admit I just don’t understand) but I am inclined to believe that for Meghan no publicity is bad publicity and she is happy to be famous whatever the cost.

I can't believe they were the leading headlines on the ITV news last night before the NHS crisis!

I was surprised too until I realised that ITV’s Tom Bradby is conducting the interview so they need to plug it .
I do wonder if it will be a proper interview or another OW style amazed- face style one.

I came on to say virtually this.

I find it difficult to accept that they spout so much hatred for the Royals, but want to hang on to their titles and have titles for the children. Either be a Royal and accept the work and responsibility that goes with it, or unburden yourself of everything (titles/handouts/etc). Don't cherry pick just the bits that are beneficial to you.

I think the 2 hour long interview with Oprah, a six hour documentary, 2 more interviews and a book deal is doing more than shouting the loudest, it's relentless, as well as hypocritical and anyone can see it's highly unlikely it would do any good.
Especially whilst making millions off of it.

I don't think they can obtain the moral high ground whilst being so hypocritical and relentless leaking 'stories' knowing the targets will be hounded.

I only speak of what I actually see them doing, not paper headlines, I know most newspapers are rubbish.
Hence why I don't comment on what the royals have so called done as I haven't seen it as they don't respond to anything with interviews.

I am not a royalist I don't care much for the royal family but I think families are really important and it's very clear that the destructive behaviour here on show for all to see does nothing but harm, prince Harry is clearly no happier and it won't solve anything.
You mention his mother, she was also Williams mother too and he has given an interview previously on what a hard time he had when she died.
As a mother I know I would never ever want my kids being at loggerheads and I suspect with little doubt that Diana wouldn't want to see her children so divided and would be heartbroken.
I do hope Harry heals himself and that they come together in time but trust is a hard thing to gain back once lost and forgiveness would be very hard in this kind of scenario.

I doubt it will be an interrogative interview because Tom Bradby spoke publicly last June about how his long and personal relationship with both brothers over the years had shifted as PW has since faded him out post H&M departure. So for Tom B he can’t risk burning any more bridges and the risk of perceived slight with PH will be high otherwise he has zero royal contacts.

I think PH looks different on both trailers. On the Anderson Cooper one he looks more anxious with sweaty forehead, sniffing and red eyes. Maybe he had flu when that was filmed or maybe AC put him under scrutiny in the interview which to my he has not been exposed to date.

However at the end of the day I suspect that neither interviewer cares about truth or holding anyone to account but would want to elicit “bomb shell” “explosive” comments to accelerate their viewing figures.

But maybe it’s like pushing on an open door - OW didn’t seem to need to work to hard to get him to open up.

I am concerned he is in a trauma state - not just from his mother’s death and difficult life in the RF and with the media - but also his decision to leave / disconnect from his family well be especially painful and lonely as he grieves his GM alone and also having the joy of young children at Christmas with no cousins or any family (except Doria) to share that with will no doubt sting and hurt deeply, especially when he recalls his own childhood Christmases together with extended family .

The parameters for what questions can be asked have already been set. There will be no pushing for information on uncomfortable topics. No grilling over inconsistencies. It's just a PR exercise for his book not a serious in-depth interview.

Most people I know think they have a point. Particularly after Jeremy Clarkson helpfully made it for them.

Your OP sounds like you live in an obsessive echo chamber.

There is no overwhelming negativity. Most people don't much care.

I haven't read the whole thread but OP I think you're assuming that they only care about how they're perceived in the UK. In Meghan's case, at least, I don't think she gives a flying fuck about that. She's an American who lives in the US and makes her money from a US audience, therefore the way she's perceived and how popular and likeable she is over there is the important thing.

I've just spent two weeks in the US and I can assure you that both she and Harry still have plenty of support over there. Yes, they also have their critics - of course, who doesn't who makes their living in the public eye? But there are plenty of people who think that they were treated badly by the RF and the UK press and that their complaints are completely legitimate.

I think that will change though in future if they don't move on from their RF bashing and start doing something useful with their privileged lives.

The journalists aren’t there to support PH’s PR push - they are there to gain viewers for their channel.

He’s just this days commodity to be pushed through.

They will always be looking for a spin, an angel and something unique to differentiate their content from the “news” already out there eg NF.

They can also do this very subtly - for example if you look at how The Cut article about MM was written / edited / constructed with verbatim quotes - they can do a stitch up quite easily.

Though they will have to find a balance - no point going to far and killing the goose that lays the golden egg.

I think it's really important to see the wood for the trees here. I guess we all know someone let's say (B )who was emotionally vulnerable and immature. A huge blinding personality (A) sweeps them up and makes them very quickly the centre of their world. The person is excited to show friends and family this wonderful person in their life. Friends and family council caution and they are one by one dropped by the friend as being jealous or not acting in the persons best interest as A has told them that. They after all come fresh to the situation snd see things B can't!

A and B are inseparable and anytime B seems to pull back A threatens to leave or to self harm. Finally B has only A and A says it's them against the world so let's make a new start. The new place is where inevitably where A feels comfortably snd B has no previous knowledge or contacts or friends.

B can't see why they are unhappy so blames previous friends and family as that's what A tells him/her.

B is trapped as kids/house/lifestyle all now in the hands and control of A.

A looks radiant confident and in full control. B looks broken bewildered and sad.

They read social media and probably everything related to them just as they did in the Uk and they see the negative press. Meghan did try to distance herself from the Netflix show saying she did not have editorial control

You're making similar claims to them. Vague, non specific, not evidenced.

So evidence your claims?

Touche.

Love the passion behind the posts about H&M. You don't get that on any other threads here.

Even my pro meghan friends whant her to stfu now

DD (22) didn't realise she was a royalist until the oprah interview

I was ambivalent about them all but all I can see now is at least one person with mental health issues being taken advantage of and monetising his mother's death while acting like an only child because I can't help feeling that if he had any feelings for his brother he wouldn't keep dragging her death into it

I lost my respect for them they seem cartoon copies of themselves

I support them. Everyone around me does too.

Pre-ordered his book already, I can't wait to see the MN threads moaning about it once it's out 😂

Spare us Harry please!!!!