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Do Harry and Meghan realise hardly anyone supports them?

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Spck · 02/01/2023 21:40

So everywhere there seems to be complete negativity towards the Netflix documentary and the autobiography coming out. They seem to be universally slated as whingers.
so how much do you think this feeds back to them? It must be v easy to live in a bubble with close supporters telling them they are doing a grand job. But how much reality do you think gets through of how badly they are coming across,

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Enko · 06/01/2023 20:58

I am not supportive of them.

Nor do I think they were treated well by media.

I hold judgment on how they were treated by RF. As I've only heard their side and QE11 stating memories may differ. To me that casts doubt.

I feel their behaviour is poor and attention grabbing. I also do not care for lies. This is why I am not supportive of them.

I do wish them a happy life I just would prefer them to not air every little bit of it on tv/newspapers and never hold themselves to any accountability.

That does not mean I am incapable of seeing somethings were dealt with very poorly

MrsMaxDeWinter · 06/01/2023 21:21

@Novella4 *Harry has given insight and clarity re the very ordinary ( ordinary at best- William's rage issues and personality do not equip him for his role even as a figurehead) people that constitute so called 'royalty'

The entire institution is a carefully constructed facade.*

Been thinking about this a lot. The bottom line is this is an institution with no accountability. No peer review, no electorate to vote you out, no performance measurement. The only measure appears to be approval ratings that are controlled by a toxic media.

So the jostling for position, jealousies etc make sense in an institution that runs purely on entitlement, with no meritocracy and no checks or balances. The monarch appears to be competing with everyone else, so no moral leadership from the top family man now that the Queen is gone.

It is indeed a sham to think that the institution is made up of people this damaged. And I include Harry along with Charles, William, Diana, Camilla etc in that. The only person though with any conception of his damaged nature seems to be Harry. They are all clearly unsuited to be upholders of any meaningful values, but we are stuck with them because that's the system. It's in turns comically absurd and quite sad.

Coxspurplepippin · 06/01/2023 21:29

So what makes someone like Boris Johnson more fitted to lead, having been voted into office democratically?

'The only person though with any conception of his damaged nature seems to be Harry'

Harry seems to be blaming his damaged nature on the institution but also appears to be incapable of

  1. Trying to heal the damage
  2. Stopping himself inflicting similar damage on others.

Considering he wants to be an advocate for mental health charities, his actions, speaking much louder than words, would suggest he's utterly unsuited to the role.

MrsMaxDeWinter · 06/01/2023 22:14

So what makes someone like Boris Johnson more fitted to lead, having been voted into office democratically?

Happy to remind you of the 5 questions Tony Benn said we should ask of people in power.

What power have you got?”

“Where did you get it from?”

“In whose interests do you use it?”

“To whom are you accountable?”

“How do we get rid of you?”

Boris Johnson, Liz Truss, may have been terrible leaders. But we knew exactly what their power was, where their power came from, in whose interests they were supposed to use it and to whom they were accountable. Indeed, when that power was abused through incompetence in the case of Truss and lack of integrity in the case of Boris, it was clear that question 5 had to be asked, and they were got rid of. Elections and the opposition party system also perform the checks and balances function needed to hold politicians accountable and to get rid of them.

The monarchy in contrast apparently gets power (and influence) from being anointed by God in what is now a minority but still Establishment based church, all based on an ancient rule that only persons of a certain bloodline, and therefore members of only one race, and until recently, only one sex, who must be the first born children, no matter their suitability for the job, can be monarchs.

The monarchy appears to be interested mainly in the self-preservation of those first born family members considered to matter most to the institution while sacrificing others (and this was the case long before Harry was even born), seems to focus on pursuing its narrow interests eg not paying inheritance tax or being subject to racial discrimination laws while talking of duty but not upholding systemic equality because b its nature, sitting at the apex of eh aristocracy effectively means endorsing class privilege based on primogeniture. The family appears to be only accountable to the media, who in turn use it to make money. It is such a corrupt arrangement, made worse by the fact that it is run by people with dysfunctional ideas and values and who seem to be pretty horrible to each other, and, to make it worse, Tony Benn's final question does not apply to them because, unlike Boris, you can't get rid of them.

I get that the monarchy means a lot to a lot of people, but Charles has the right idea about reform. But I don't think the reforms he has in mind will go beyond the cosmetic needed for, yes, you guessed it, self-preservation.

Alexandra2001 · 06/01/2023 22:19

Spck · 02/01/2023 21:45

You can’t see through the lies in the Netflix documentary?

Anymore than the BS in the Mail or Express?

I fully support them and most people i know do... he fought for this country.. (have you) & an ex officer, today, who was out in Afghanistan at the same time, said he served with distinction.. the media killed his Mum and the Royals used her death to reinvent themselves.

Meghan was attacked by papers like the 'Express because she is black and the RF told them to go for her.. RF? bunch of fucking racists

Roussette · 06/01/2023 22:21

@MrsMaxDeWinter

Wow, that's a brilliant post. I wish I could put it so succinctly as you 👏

Blossomtoes · 06/01/2023 22:24

Roussette · 06/01/2023 22:21

@MrsMaxDeWinter

Wow, that's a brilliant post. I wish I could put it so succinctly as you 👏

And you accuse monarchists of “fawning”.

Coxspurplepippin · 06/01/2023 22:26

'Indeed, when that power was abused through incompetence in the case of Truss and lack of integrity in the case of Boris, it was clear that question 5 had to be asked, and they were got rid of.'

Yup, and look where we are...............

'It is such a corrupt arrangement, made worse by the fact that it is run by people with dysfunctional ideas and values.....'
Sorry, are you talking about the democratically elected UK govt here?

Roussette · 06/01/2023 22:26

Blossomtoes · 06/01/2023 22:24

And you accuse monarchists of “fawning”.

Sorry?

Have you never agreed with anyone's post on MN?

Bit sad if so

MrsMaxDeWinter · 06/01/2023 22:33

Roussette · 06/01/2023 22:21

@MrsMaxDeWinter

Wow, that's a brilliant post. I wish I could put it so succinctly as you 👏

@Roussette Aww, thanks!! Time for me to confess I have been thinking a lot about this stuff for reasons that I hope will become obvious this year.

By the way, I am cracking up at the hammy, literal Spanish translation.

One newspaper says: Images published by The Sun show the book open on a page bearing a black-and-white photo of the Duke as a young boy with his mother, Princess Diana, alongside the words Primera parte - Desde la noche que me envuelve”, or “Part one - Since the night that surrounds me”.

Come on. They've clearly put this through Google Translate when it's pretty clear it is the first line of Harry's favourite poem by Henley, one he loves so much he named a whole veterans' organisation after it -- Invictus.

It's the first line of Invictus in Spanish and should be "Out of the night that covers me."

Sigh. I shudder to think how much has been lost by this out of context translation. Roll on Tuesday.

MrsMaxDeWinter · 06/01/2023 22:37

Coxspurplepippin · 06/01/2023 22:26

'Indeed, when that power was abused through incompetence in the case of Truss and lack of integrity in the case of Boris, it was clear that question 5 had to be asked, and they were got rid of.'

Yup, and look where we are...............

'It is such a corrupt arrangement, made worse by the fact that it is run by people with dysfunctional ideas and values.....'
Sorry, are you talking about the democratically elected UK govt here?

Nope. Am talking about the corrupt arrangement between the royal palaces and the tabloid press.

Roussette · 06/01/2023 22:39

@MrsMaxDeWinter

Indeed. Lost in translation springs to mind.

I ought to get my DD onto it if she wasn't so busy. She's fluent in Spanish and used to be a translator.
I think we can wait!

Coxspurplepippin · 06/01/2023 22:40

Ahhh, OK, I thought you may have been talking about the democratically elected corrupt govt where the power actually lies, seeing as you set such store by the democratic process.

BethJ62 · 06/01/2023 22:40

Alexandra2001 · 06/01/2023 22:19

Anymore than the BS in the Mail or Express?

I fully support them and most people i know do... he fought for this country.. (have you) & an ex officer, today, who was out in Afghanistan at the same time, said he served with distinction.. the media killed his Mum and the Royals used her death to reinvent themselves.

Meghan was attacked by papers like the 'Express because she is black and the RF told them to go for her.. RF? bunch of fucking racists

Firstly , every veteran or people connected with the military that I have read about or heard today is horrified by what Harry has said . He may well have been a good soldier , I have no idea , but I have never heard anyone talk about their “ tally”. And yes I do know quite a few ex forces personnel.
MN loves to slag off the DM but they have certainly been proved to have good sources over the years for example M and H announcing her pregnancy at Eugenie’s wedding .

BethJ62 · 06/01/2023 22:41

The media did not kill his Mum . She got into a car driven by a drunk driver and didn’t wear a seatbelt .

MrsMaxDeWinter · 06/01/2023 22:50

MN loves to slag off the DM but they have certainly been proved to have good sources over the years for example M and H announcing her pregnancy at Eugenie’s wedding

Of course, they have great sources.

(Hint: it's all coming from the palaces!!) 😁

TabulaWifWif · 06/01/2023 22:52

Alexandra2001 · 06/01/2023 22:19

Anymore than the BS in the Mail or Express?

I fully support them and most people i know do... he fought for this country.. (have you) & an ex officer, today, who was out in Afghanistan at the same time, said he served with distinction.. the media killed his Mum and the Royals used her death to reinvent themselves.

Meghan was attacked by papers like the 'Express because she is black and the RF told them to go for her.. RF? bunch of fucking racists

That is indeed a good post.

However, Harry is an arse /ass as he totally buys into the monarchy, he just doesn't like to be the spare so he is lashing out in anger and frustration and trying to bring his family down. He's the worst of the worst, stabbing family in the back, despicable. But I don't disagree that the British Monarchy is not in a good place and that absolute power is never a good idea. It also applies to the church of England and other large institutions. So many individuals feeling untouchable and being corrupt.

Aspiringmatriarch · 06/01/2023 23:56

MrsMaxDeWinter · 06/01/2023 22:50

MN loves to slag off the DM but they have certainly been proved to have good sources over the years for example M and H announcing her pregnancy at Eugenie’s wedding

Of course, they have great sources.

(Hint: it's all coming from the palaces!!) 😁

Indeed!

Rockybooboo · 07/01/2023 00:47

TabulaWifWif · 06/01/2023 22:52

That is indeed a good post.

However, Harry is an arse /ass as he totally buys into the monarchy, he just doesn't like to be the spare so he is lashing out in anger and frustration and trying to bring his family down. He's the worst of the worst, stabbing family in the back, despicable. But I don't disagree that the British Monarchy is not in a good place and that absolute power is never a good idea. It also applies to the church of England and other large institutions. So many individuals feeling untouchable and being corrupt.

I don't think he's the worst. Surely Charles stabbing his wife in the back and talking about it on tV is as bad.

creamcoffee · 07/01/2023 08:57

historically royal family are fascinating
not the current royal family - who are quite tame

who is putting harry in the tower

Choconut · 07/01/2023 09:06

To the media they must be the gift that keeps on giving. I mean I'd like to entirely blame the media for just how absurd they seem to be, but when they're quoting Harry's own book it's pretty difficult.

I think Harry was absolutely fine about being the 'spare' until Meghan came along, he said he was the one with the freedom and could do anything. But Meghan wants to be at the top of the pile, she thought she would be if she married a prince but then she realised there was still Will and Kate.......and now it's an issue.

WillyAndHarold · 07/01/2023 09:08

Aspiringmatriarch · 06/01/2023 23:56

Indeed!

Was it "the Palace" on that one?

Or Fergie?

Or just anyone who is not H&M? They seem very unwilling to face up to the public reaction to what we now know they actually did. It leaked - no-one knows from whom (there must have been hundreds of guests and staff at the event) - but somehow we're still meant to believe their version of events and shoot their choice of messenger.

And I don't think they're coming across as reliable narrators

Alexandra2001 · 07/01/2023 09:09

BethJ62 · 06/01/2023 22:41

The media did not kill his Mum . She got into a car driven by a drunk driver and didn’t wear a seatbelt .

Don't agree with his number of kills stuff.. that is clearly stupid.. BUT he and Meghan were being got at long before any of that came to light.

..the driver wouldn't have been doing 100kph + if they weren't being hounded by the media, remember DP wasn't even part of the RF by then but the media still hounded her...

Diana couldn't fart without the papers recording it... her every move was analysed... same with Meghan, attacking her... fawning over Kate.

EdithWeston · 07/01/2023 09:14

The media did not kill his Mum . She got into a car driven by a drunk driver and didn’t wear a seatbelt

the driver wouldn't have been doing 100kph + if they weren't being hounded by the media, remember DP wasn't even part of the RF by then but the media still hounded her...

The media were partly responsible, or at least the paparazzi from whom they bought photos. It's in the Inquest's narative verdict - the conduct of the following vehicles was listed as one of the causes.

That should not be airbrushed out

creamcoffee · 07/01/2023 09:15

they have supports in America
and some in uk