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Do Harry and Meghan realise hardly anyone supports them?

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Spck · 02/01/2023 21:40

So everywhere there seems to be complete negativity towards the Netflix documentary and the autobiography coming out. They seem to be universally slated as whingers.
so how much do you think this feeds back to them? It must be v easy to live in a bubble with close supporters telling them they are doing a grand job. But how much reality do you think gets through of how badly they are coming across,

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Witchofthedales · 05/01/2023 11:55

Chocoverload · 02/01/2023 21:42

Most of my friends including myself are totally supportive of them. That’s probably because we don’t believe the crap published in the tabloids.

Completely agree.

MarshaMelrose · 05/01/2023 12:08

Wiluli · 05/01/2023 11:00

Are you crazy ? Lots of people support them . In fact a lot more support them than not .

Not saying you're wrong but what evidence supports that claim? Not the polls.

oakleaffy · 05/01/2023 12:09

Harold clearly has the most ineffective counsellors and therapists.

There is ZERO self reflection or taking responsibility for his own actions.

It’s still like an angry child lashing out and not acknowledging anything that he has done to inflame the situation.

He and his wife are so enmeshed in the “ Professional Victim “ role, it isn’t healthy.

Lots of children lose their Mothers to death, Worldwide.
I understand the grief around that, but Harry has SO much privilege, access to so much help and support, yet he seems so incapable of any self -reflection.
He should start to count his blessings- Rather than be parading his “ Victimhood” to the highest bidder.

aSofaNearYou · 05/01/2023 12:10

but you believe a carefully crafted media documentary?

You don't need to believe or even watch the documentary to see that the way they are treated by the paparazzi, press, and the court of public opinion online etc is something that would be very hard on most people.

A lot of people are just desensitised to that kind of treatment of people in the public eye and don't see the problem.

UmbrellaLegs · 05/01/2023 12:12

aSofaNearYou · 05/01/2023 12:10

but you believe a carefully crafted media documentary?

You don't need to believe or even watch the documentary to see that the way they are treated by the paparazzi, press, and the court of public opinion online etc is something that would be very hard on most people.

A lot of people are just desensitised to that kind of treatment of people in the public eye and don't see the problem.

That doesn't answer my point...

aSofaNearYou · 05/01/2023 12:14

That doesn't answer my point...

Yes it does. Supporting them is not all about loving or believing everything they said in the documentary. Even if they made up a load of fine details I would still be broadly supportive of them as people, because the treatment they receive does not fit the potential crime (of manipulating things in the documentary).

MarshaMelrose · 05/01/2023 12:15

I don't like my sister in law because she's got some bigoted views. I wish she wasn't my sister in law. My brother shares these views so what would the point?

So it's not that you believe a sibling shouldn't criticise a sibling's spouse? It's just that you don't like either your sil's or your brother's opinions so don't want to engage with them. ButI guess if your brother did not hold those views, and your sil was bigoted and abusive to someone, you would tell your brother you weren't happy about her behaviour?

UmbrellaLegs · 05/01/2023 12:17

aSofaNearYou · 05/01/2023 12:14

That doesn't answer my point...

Yes it does. Supporting them is not all about loving or believing everything they said in the documentary. Even if they made up a load of fine details I would still be broadly supportive of them as people, because the treatment they receive does not fit the potential crime (of manipulating things in the documentary).

So how do you personally know that what the press media says is not true?

aSofaNearYou · 05/01/2023 12:21

So how do you personally know that what the press media says is not true?

I don't really care if it's true. Nothing that is being said in the press amounts to a situation where they should be harassed, followed everywhere and subject to mass hatred from millions of strangers. It's disproportional even if all of it is true. It's a toxic culture that claims the lives of many people in the public eye.

I personally found them a bit annoying as people in the documentary, but they could be everything that the press says - difficult, compulsive liars who have treated their families horribly, without it warranting harassment from millions of people.

Novella4 · 05/01/2023 12:24

Exactly

UmbrellaLegs · 05/01/2023 12:26

aSofaNearYou · 05/01/2023 12:21

So how do you personally know that what the press media says is not true?

I don't really care if it's true. Nothing that is being said in the press amounts to a situation where they should be harassed, followed everywhere and subject to mass hatred from millions of strangers. It's disproportional even if all of it is true. It's a toxic culture that claims the lives of many people in the public eye.

I personally found them a bit annoying as people in the documentary, but they could be everything that the press says - difficult, compulsive liars who have treated their families horribly, without it warranting harassment from millions of people.

Ok then. You don't really know but I understand what you are saying.

Summerbabypending · 05/01/2023 12:29

Myself, work colleagues and my family all support them. I think the people who have nasty things to say about others always shout the loudest because they are so preoccupied with other peoples lives which distorts the assumed perspective of other level headed people.

Novella4 · 05/01/2023 12:33

I've just heard about William hitting Harry in 2919 - so when William was in his late 30s? So many reports of William's temper .

You can say so what - it's just family . But it isn't - it's this invented 'royal' family which presented as worthy of adulation never mind the fact that they are also automatically head of the Church of England !
This church / state issue is increasingly problematic

The problem the 'royals' have is that they have only survived this long with a combination of a blank slate woman ( Elizabeth ) a compliant press and omertà .
Well Harry has blown the omertà - good on him

bakalava · 05/01/2023 12:34

Netflix do not only want all the juicy details. They want a full on bunfight so that they can cement their reputation for having exclusive access to the main story affecting the British RF and covered by the UK media.
Provocative details have been deliberately leaked to force the hand of the RF and bring about a direct response to start a proper war of words. Without input from the royal side, it will die a death. It will be interesting to see what are the positions on the chessboard in a few days time.

Roussette · 05/01/2023 12:41

Novella4 · 05/01/2023 12:33

I've just heard about William hitting Harry in 2919 - so when William was in his late 30s? So many reports of William's temper .

You can say so what - it's just family . But it isn't - it's this invented 'royal' family which presented as worthy of adulation never mind the fact that they are also automatically head of the Church of England !
This church / state issue is increasingly problematic

The problem the 'royals' have is that they have only survived this long with a combination of a blank slate woman ( Elizabeth ) a compliant press and omertà .
Well Harry has blown the omertà - good on him

(I had to look up omerta... I like that word!)

As I said on another thread... William could come out and say he did hit Harry, he lost his temper, and he regrets it

And posters would say...
They don't believe he actually did, William's being kind and covering for his brother
or
Harry deserved it
or
Harry must've provoked William

DaphneFlower · 05/01/2023 12:44

Definitely need a Jeremy Kyle special so they can have it out with each other

Ohnonevermind · 05/01/2023 12:51

@Roussette

highly recommend godfather 1 and 2 - plenty of omertà (especially in the second one) with Pantengeli and the Corleone brothers relationship disintegrating.

just watched over Christmas after many years. They’re just so brilliant

Roussette · 05/01/2023 12:57

@Ohnonevermind
I need something good to watch! Thank you Smile

Ohnonevermind · 05/01/2023 13:01

Just enjoy

goldismything · 05/01/2023 13:29

I want to see this dog bowl he cut himself on. Must be lead crystal. Mine are plastic just incase my sister punches me.

Oh Harry do shut up!!!! It's seriously cringy now

BethDuttonsTwin · 05/01/2023 13:34

PicturesOfDogs · 05/01/2023 10:04

For me this is it though.
The only person we’re getting a first hand account from is Harry, and he has never shown any accountability or admitted any wrong doing.

If he had come out and said, X happened, I said this and I shouldn’t have, and then he reacted like this, which he shouldn’t have, it would be more believable.

But his accounts are so one sided and biased, people automatically think ‘it doesn’t add up’

The only thing he’s said he’s ever done wrong is wearing the Nazi costume (as far as I can recall - happy to be corrected). But even this he’s apparently blaming William for now.

I’m sure there was wrong on both sides, there usually is. But where is Harry admitting any wrong on his part? No one is perfect, but there’s absolutely no reflection.

He needs to sack his therapist, they’re clearly shit

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Agree with this. I am a huge believer in three sides in almost every conflict. Harry’s lack of his and his wife’s own accountability is what makes me disbelieve him. It’s just so lacking in emotional intelligence and awareness. In my fast approaching middle age, I find that this is usually the behaviour of personality disordered people. I get that William shouldn’t have become physical but I simply do not believe that he would have done so unless this was a fairly common way that the brothers have resolved their issues at times over the years. We’ve also heard from various sources that M had been unkind to Catherine and Charlotte. Is William not allowed to be angry and defend his family in the same way that Harry constantly asserts he is forced to do for his own family?

BethDuttonsTwin · 05/01/2023 13:44

Speaking of personal accountability…also reading that the Nazi costume was all William and Kate’s fault too? 🙄

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Spck · 05/01/2023 13:54

^^its just outrageous that he is blaming William and Kate for the Nazi uniform. The sole aim of it is to try and distract from the fact he did it and so more enable them to paint this perfect picture of themselves with no faults. It’s simply outrageous - he knows W and K cannot answer back. I hope the supporters are starting to see how low they will go to set their agenda and make as much money as possible.

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bakalava · 05/01/2023 14:24

The idea probably is that the more injustices they shove down the throats of the public, the more support they will garner. It hasn't worked so rather than receding, they shovel down another load. I say 'they' but it is blatantly obvious that there is one PR strategy for Harry which involves him taking on a huge burden and a huge amount of ridicule and another for his wife who is being advised meticulously how to keep herself well out of the way to preserve her future potential to work. That is not the sign of a united couple. It is the most worrying aspect.

Rockybooboo · 05/01/2023 18:33

bakalava · 05/01/2023 14:24

The idea probably is that the more injustices they shove down the throats of the public, the more support they will garner. It hasn't worked so rather than receding, they shovel down another load. I say 'they' but it is blatantly obvious that there is one PR strategy for Harry which involves him taking on a huge burden and a huge amount of ridicule and another for his wife who is being advised meticulously how to keep herself well out of the way to preserve her future potential to work. That is not the sign of a united couple. It is the most worrying aspect.

They're not shovelling it down your throat. They've done interviews and a book. You can ignore it.