Do Harry and Meghan realise hardly anyone supports them?

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So everywhere there seems to be complete negativity towards the Netflix documentary and the autobiography coming out. They seem to be universally slated as whingers.
so how much do you think this feeds back to them? It must be v easy to live in a bubble with close supporters telling them they are doing a grand job. But how much reality do you think gets through of how badly they are coming across,

Well maybe he should have dealt with the aspects he had responsibility for and that he could control like telling his own press staff to stop feeding stories about her to the press wolves. Then maybe trying to befriend her and yes putting distance in between himself and her if he really didn’t like her.

I do think there was something in her way of coming off being very difficult for members of staff where they worked by the way but I don’t think she was in a good place at the time and I think helping her and not isolating her would have improved things.

There are aspects of my brother in law that I dont like. I tell my sister. She doesn't like them either.
But if you can't criticise about your brother's wife, are you equally not allowed to criticise your husband's brother or mother? Are they out of bounds too?

Maybe if Harry had sat down and talked to William instead of getting angry, they could have found a way to help her?

Well maybe he should have dealt with the aspects he had responsibility for and that he could control like telling his own press staff to stop feeding stories about her to the press wolves. Then maybe trying to befriend her and yes putting distance in between himself and her if he really didn’t like her

But how will that resolve the situation that’s been reported to him - that she’s bullying their shared staff? William has a duty of care to their staff to stop that happening. He can’t do that if he apparently can’t mention it to the other family member who might have some influence on her behaviour.

I wonder where this assault is supposed to have taken place - I don’t see how we can avoid a police investigation of this incident if it was in the U.K. Harry must know that surely? How does that sit with the statement that he wants to be reconciled with William and Charles?

Maybe if Harry had sat down and talked to William instead of getting angry, they could have found a way to help her?

The first version we heard of this altercation, in Robert Lacey’s book, was that William rang Harry to discuss it and Harry angrily put the phone down on him.

Their main problem is they dont forgive anyone.
I would like to know if they forgive each other?
Or will they turn on each other one day?

Everything becomes a catalogue of things done wrong to them.

William said? Or do you mean Harry, because William doesn't say anything in the Netflix documentary. Members of the RF had nothing to say about / in response to the series.

I think you are confusing what has been said, and 'when' during the timeline.

To explain, in the documentary there is a scene where Harry and Meghan point out that quite often untrue/slanderous(?) articles are published in a tabloid and they usually begin with 'a former aide to the Duchess of Sussex / Meghan Markle' so as to give the impression that the aide was very close to her and knows all of her shortcomings, is now a close aide to William or working in his press office. Meghan and Harry, who are clearly in California at the time when that scene was shot, also point out for that article to have been published, William must have OK'd it (as opposed to leaking anything).

The revelations in the articles today about William hitting Harry to the ground occurred at Nottingham Cottage which was years ago pre-Megxit. That was also when William described Meghan as difficult, rude and abrasive.

I suspect Harry did try to raise his key issue, the press leakings, in private many times but the fact is that the palaces have been doing that for decades and so they don’t see anything wrong with it. You cannot have a conversation with someone who cannot see your perspective. If somethings that something which is clearly morally wrong is right where do you go with that?

For me this is it though.
The only person we’re getting a first hand account from is Harry, and he has never shown any accountability or admitted any wrong doing.

If he had come out and said, X happened, I said this and I shouldn’t have, and then he reacted like this, which he shouldn’t have, it would be more believable.

But his accounts are so one sided and biased, people automatically think ‘it doesn’t add up’

The only thing he’s said he’s ever done wrong is wearing the Nazi costume (as far as I can recall - happy to be corrected). But even this he’s apparently blaming William for now.

I’m sure there was wrong on both sides, there usually is. But where is Harry admitting any wrong on his part? No one is perfect, but there’s absolutely no reflection.

He needs to sack his therapist, they’re clearly shit

I don't like my sister in law because she's got some bigoted views. I wish she wasn't my sister in law. My brother shares these views so what would the point?

In Nottingham Cottage in early 2019

You could sort of see the story had been edited, either consciously or subconsciously, because it didn't make sense. And if things don't make sense, they're not true. (A Judge Judy quote there.) It's like there are holes where something not mentioned happened.
It would be interesting to get a fuller account from Lacey and marry the two stories up. I wonder who the source was for Lacey. It must have been relayed by one of the two men in the first instance

But Harry said he was complaining about these briefings against him and Meghan while they were still in the RF. That's part of the reason why they wanted to leave.

It's their crap in the tabloids.

I absolutely do not support them, they are becoming caricatures.

@MarshaMelrose

Thanks for that. U.K. law then… let’s see what happens. I’m presuming H&M won’t be coming to the Coronation now… can you imagine the kerfuffle?

My last post was in response to @Serenster's specific point.

Harry said they left because of the lies that were being fabricated about himself and Meghan which started after their Australia tour.

Well maybe it is William who shouldn’t be invited maybe he might deck someone because he doesn’t like their wife much.

Are you crazy ? Lots of people support them . In fact a lot more support them than not .

His staff though? What should he have done about that?
Looks like you’re saying he should have told them to stop telling people?

No, they left because they didn’t get the half in/ half out they wanted .

Your post makes no sense to me.

I illustrated a point that seems to have passed you by.

"You are now telling us their posts were awful and shouldn’t have been allowed when about Meghan joining the Royal Family? And yet you support those posters when they target other members"

This bit. What does it mean? I said there were vitriolic threads and posts way way before Meghan did anything that anyone would consider 'wrong'. She just got engaged, was American and different, that's it. I didn't say 'they shouldn't be allowed'
I just said they happened.

What has that got to do with the last sentence, (which I have no idea what you mean).

"Secondly, I find it quite odd that you would discount a poster’s presumably genuine response to seeing someone give an interview on television."

I only typed one bit of it 'I found her off' or 'went right off her' ... it was far more of a rant than that. She smiled too much, she smirked, she pawed Harry, she was American... it was rude and horrible and went on and on.

Let's leave it there shall we? We rarely find common ground.

Support them in what though? What are they doing?

but you believe a carefully crafted media documentary?