Do Harry and Meghan realise hardly anyone supports them?

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So everywhere there seems to be complete negativity towards the Netflix documentary and the autobiography coming out. They seem to be universally slated as whingers.
so how much do you think this feeds back to them? It must be v easy to live in a bubble with close supporters telling them they are doing a grand job. But how much reality do you think gets through of how badly they are coming across,

I know posters like to insist that she was loved, up until Oprah or Bradby or whatever

Is any public figure universally loved with no exception ? I doubt you can find one. I doubt any member of the Royal family is because a decent percentage of the population already oppose the idea of a monarchy and would repeat “poor little rich kid” narrative whatever the dilemma was
Without doubt they were more popular at the time of their wedding than they are now and if anyone cares enough they can research what the exact figures are. A person posting a thread on here that they’re sick of them at the time of their engagement is not indicative of the national mood. In 2017 14% of the population were bothered by him marrying someone of a different ethnicity and 69% were not so what accounts for HIS massive drop in popularity since the wedding? He was more popular than Queen in 2017. This is from Newsweek by the way.

Is any public figure universally loved with no exception ? I doubt you can find one

Absolutely not. I agree with you.

It wasn't one person. One thread. I am just saying, it started back then and built up very quickly. I was here, I saw it. Which is why MNHQ had to ban all threads on H&M for three months because they didn't have the moderator manpower. This was before she had done anything controversial.

What is funny is Nicholas Witchell nearly wetting himself with excitement at all the latest developments. 🤣😂

That didn’t work out too well did it going by the headlines this morning .

They spoke up against the british press s so they will always get terrible headlines. I admire them for that as the British press are complete trash.

I support them.

The security around Harry's book has been compared to that around the last Harry Potter book.
I was mocked endlessly for saying on a previous thread that this book is being released around a strategy plan and at at a level not often seen in publishing. I predicted this very strategy. Simultaneous publication in about 17 languages. Publication at the same time around the world. They have even taken the unusual step of no advance copies to ANYONE, no galley copies or advance proofs, nor freebies for reviewers. Everyone who will read it will buy it.

So anyone who claims to know what is in the book is a fantasist engaged in speculation.

Golly, is it Tuesday already? 😁

Well... it will give those against H&M something to salivate over until the book is released I s'pose...

Sadly, what I've heard doesn't surprise me one little bit.

You have missed the point of my post but hey ho ….

The problem Harry has is that he's right

Look at any of the stately home threads in here - scapegoat speaks the truth

Another reason why a family is a ridiculous model for a head of state

People that 'support them' what exactly do you mean?

Because I completely agree they have been treated horribly but do you not consider how they're handling the situation which is completely pathetic?

Even if you don't believe what you read in tabloids (I for one don't) and I also hate the RF but the reason I don't 'support h and m' is because I'm judging their behaviour not from the tabloids but how they've taking no accountability for anything ever. Who does that? They are clearly deslusional and only ever blame everyone else for everything. If it were me I would want to put my story across with evidence but also objectively of which they've done neither - not once other than the nazi uniform has Harry had accountability for anything.

And even the nazi uniform he's now trying to throw Will and Kate under the bus with him - if you hd a sibling that laughed about the costumes why throw them under a bus too?

Wouldn't you just take the wrap for wearing the costume and keep quiet as it was him that wore it after all? Just because they laughed and encouraged it so what? It's just mean and selfish to throw blame at them too which echos the type of character Harry is and I don't support someone like that

@Novella4 what do you mean about the stately homes?

MNHQ had to ban all threads on H&M for three months because they didn't have the moderator manpower

oh really? I didn’t know this. I think if I were to guess why she’s so unpopular I’d say that she has a certain kind of “California” style that a lot of Brits find a bit cloying. You know how people say “passing” rather than “dying” or “reaching out” rather than “contacting” - she seems a lot like that. And then on top of that a wide eyed naïveté that doesn’t sit with a well educated, cosmopolitan woman in her 30’s ( and is therefore assumed to be faux). Once you have that opinion you look for evidence to support your view don’t you?. The opposite is true also…her supporters look for the evidence that she is this marvellous person. It’s not as is they’re are all truth seekers who see things as they truly are - they get their information from the same sources and are as biased in the opposite direction.

Also William called Meghan rude abrasive and difficult and Harry admits this in his book - why? It makes Meghan seem worse, she clearly is likely some of those things. Why would William just make this up? It makes Meghan look bad, does Harry not understand this?

Again I'm not sure why he'd mention this in his book - so that we think Williams a bad person when he's just giving his opinion? What's the point? Once again Harry's judgement of how to handle a situation is just all off

And even the nazi uniform he's now trying to throw Will and Kate under the bus with him - if you hd a sibling that laughed about the costumes why throw them under a bus too?

But this is how petty he is, the best that he can drag up. He cannot take responsibility for any of his own actions and tries to blame someone else for everything.

Everything he says has to be taken with a pinch of salt anyway.

@ncpostingabout

There are threads about toxic families on mumsnet - a long running one was called ' stately homes' because I think the parents' argument was they took the children to stately homes so they were good parents
Lots of similar situations to the 'royal' family . The 'royals ' are a toxic family with large
It's at the point now that this medieval 'royalty ' psychodrama is making a mockery of the UK . Meanwhile the tories asset strip what's left of the country while the media distract with Hand M hate

Yes, I was wryly remembering that dogmatic post too, @MarshaMelrose

Oh, look, despite all that intense security a copy of the book has been leaked…and to the anti monarchy Guardian newspaper too! What an extraordinar coincidence! I expect the pages about the fight with William had post-it notes on them too.

My understanding of it is that Harry mentions William describing Meghan using those terms in the book because Harry wants to make a point that William had, just like everyone else, taken on the media's descriptions of her rather than actually knowing the truth / knowing her.

I know posters like to insist that she was loved, up until Oprah or Bradby or whatever.

Well.... the threads on here don't indicate that, if we are a guage for the public.
There were awful posts on here on threads right from when they got engaged. Read through 'I'm fucking sick of Harry & Meghan already' started on the day they did their engagement interview.

I think you are looking back through rose coloured spectacles. There was a poster on one of these threads last week, and another yesterday, who actually posted that she went 'right off her' watching the engagement interview. And then the nastiness started, slow at first, then building up to this.

Two things about this:

Firstly, there are plenty of posters in MN - many on this thread in fact - who have no time at all for anyone in the Royal Family because they loathe the institution and everything is stands for. You are now telling us their posts were awful and shouldn’t have been allowed when about Meghan joining the Royal Family? And yet you support those posters when they target other members. A bit hypocritical no?There are awful posts about the rest of them all the time. If you can criticise any member of the Royal Family on the grounds that you resent all of them, why would a new joiner be exempt? And so why wouldn’t Meghan have been criticised right from when they got engaged?

Secondly, I find it quite odd that you would discount a poster’s presumably genuine response to seeing someone give an interview on television. We are human, we react and respond to those kind of things all the time. And we are entitled to form our own opinions based on what we personally see and hear. As do you yourself. It would have been reasonable criticism had you raised your eyebrows at someone saying they read about the interview int he paper and formed a negative view - but they didn’t. They specifically said they watched the actual interview.

My understanding of it is that Harry mentions William describing Meghan using those terms in the book because Harry wants to make a point that William had, just like everyone else, taken on the media's descriptions of her rather than actually knowing the truth / knowing her.

And yet in the Netflix series William says those media descriptions of her were leaked to the press…by William! So he’s apparently angry that William is lazily using media descriptions of her that he believes came from William in the first place. It makes no sense at all.

(It also ignores the reality - that William did know Meghan by this stage, as he’d first met her a couple of years ago. And, more importantly, they shared offices and staff, so he had been told about how she was treating their shared staff).

I think William saying those things to Harry about Meghan was the end of their relationship. We are just watching the fallout from it now.

Even if William had an accurate perception for himself on Meghan that he found her difficult to deal with you don’t say that to her husband. They had a child at that stage, what was Harry going to do with that. The stress of the situation was always going to affect Meghan and the fact that no matter what anyone says about anything, she like Diana before her was being feed to the wolves by the press machine in the palaces. That part of the story is absolutely obvious. It was how the palace behaved with Diana, it was how all the palaces were behaving with Meghan. I imagine anyone would be abrasive, rude and difficult trying to deal with that level of betrayal.

In their minds everyone (100%) will support them so that’s their truth. Of course that’s not reality, and pretty much how they are in the position they are now in, as ‘their truth’ diverges from reality somewhat, but they seem to honestly believe it.

But if you’re getting complaints from your staff in the ‘family business’ about your brothers wife, you wouldn’t go to your brother and speak to him about it?
Should William have taken it up directly with her? Or just ignored it?
What should he have done?

its getting boring now that people just can't believe that PW could ever be in the wrong.
2 brothers have a row, thats normal, 2 brothers have a row and one hits the other, not normal.
also I wish people would accept that PW can speak up, he chooses not to..

Yes I don't like my brother's wife but I'd never say that to my brother.