Do Harry and Meghan realise hardly anyone supports them?

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So everywhere there seems to be complete negativity towards the Netflix documentary and the autobiography coming out. They seem to be universally slated as whingers.
so how much do you think this feeds back to them? It must be v easy to live in a bubble with close supporters telling them they are doing a grand job. But how much reality do you think gets through of how badly they are coming across,

I agree with this!

Every family has problems too. You don't discuss them on a huge public platform and blast your family to give everyone a negative view of them.

I'm not sure what they even want the outcome to be anymore?!

I am talking about female married ins. It's awful

Males are paid no attention.

I support them

Their documentary was extremely successful, wasn’t it?

I wonder if there is focus from some countries on France, Belgium and the Netherlands too?

Reparations is a very problematic issue and for another thread.

Barely anyone disliked Meghan because of race. Meghan began to rub people’s fur the wrong way because of her own behaviour. Everyone I know -everyone - enjoyed the wedding very much and thought they made a great couple.

To hear Meghan describe the wedding in less than glowing terms in the Oprah interview was insulting to all us plebs who sat on our arses all morning watching the telly and wishing them well. Aren’t we a bunch of low-brow, downtrodden suckers?

They could have left with dignity, but for me it’s not even the throwing of insults at the rf which is galling, it’s the whingeing and casting aspersions on the whole country. Strewth, we’ve even got plonkers on MN saying that it’s a Brexit vs Remain and goodness knows what else divide.

My impression, from a very non-Royalist country, is that people were initially supportive & supported their decision to leave the Royal Family, BUT that support is waning quickly.

The tabloid press may be deranged but no more or less than the tabloids in any other country.

Are you aware of any other tabloids in any other countries that have such a hand in glove relationship with establishment institutions like the monarchy? Or where there is a revolving door between the press, royal service and government? Where you can be a newspaper editor one day, and the next you are in the cabinet office, then you are a private secretary in a palace doing media work for the royals? Would love to hear some examples.

The whole media royalty codependency set up is extremely weird. Made worse by the fact that after the phone hacking Levenson inquiry, the UK media went for the IPSO self-governing route instead of the legislative route. As a result you have a supposedly independent press owed by billionaires, a press that purports to govern itself, and a press that is is enmeshed with the establishment and that your government and royal family panders to because they are utterly terrified to fall foul of the billionaires, Murdoch, Rothermere etc.

There is NO tabloid press anywhere in the world that is both as rabid AND as influential as the UK.

I admire Meghan and Harry for taking them on.

Literally it's just sad. I dislike the glee the sides taken.

Meg and H you are rich middle aged parents just enjoy your lives????

You seem so immature to me but dh but we I had our first child at 22 and no mummies 10 million in the bank. Oh and dh lost his mum too young.

Just yawn yawn yawn

I admire them for taking on the media too, against all odds.
Younger royals will benefit in decades to come, the 'symbiotic' relationship between royalty and media cannot carry on in its present state. It's all about feeding the media stories to keep them off their backs, what's healthy about that? If I were W&K I'd be worried for my children.

@Roussette

I keep saying Harry has done his niece and nephews a huge favour. You can already see the narrative being developed about the Cambridge kids, and how they will be contrasted with each other, very negatively. Surely any parent would want their children not subjected to that.

I genuinely hope Archie and Lili remain in America, if only to ensure that they are not hounded by the press in years to come. Because another weapon that could be developed is the Cambridge kids versus A and L, and that would just be horrible.

Well, Murdoch's Australian, the Murdoch empire started in Australia. Are you familiar with Aussie tabloids? I am - they make British tabloids look positively benign on occasion. There've been calls for a royal commission (how apt) in Australia to investigate the stranglehold the Murdoch empire has.

Murdoch (or rather Newscorp) owns WSJ and NYP - you can't tell me they're not hand in glove with the Republican party. In fact the WSJ has become more conservative since Newscorp took over. Newscorp own loads of small town publications in the US which reflect bias.

Trump and Murdoch's relationship was often described as a bromance before Murdoch went off him (and it's the removal of Murdoch's support which will probably be the death knell for Trump's future ambitions)

If I were him, I would not be speaking out about his Uncle who has not been found guilty of anything, but who has got his Mother to pay out to a victim of sex trafficking. Not in a million years.

Agree @Roussette if they did they would be scapegoated for doing what the elders should have done. If anyone was to have spoken out it should have been Andrew's parents, followed by his siblings and even W. Before H speaks out- This would be used against him - I can imagine the tabloids and threads now.

Well these are their popularity ratings - just above Andrew. It may be that they’ve improved since their documentaries were aired though. As you can see they were both considerably more popular previously which seems to contradict the idea that dislike is racially motivated.

I find the popularity ratings as strange as the body language experts.

They are not working royals. Why does it matter if they are not as popular as the others? Why are they still included in these polls?

Harry said categorically he will not return to be a working royal. Why does it matter what his approval rating is?

I don't think Meghan ever had a chance, the hate against her started when she arrived in the UK

It really didn’t. Most people loved the engagement and wedding. I certainly did. I went to a family wedding the previous weekend and enjoyed it a lot less than the Royal one. I thought they were a really good thing. My view started to change with the Bradby interview on the African tour, it was tone deaf and everything went downhill from there for me. The Winfrey interview sealed the deal.

Well they’re public figures ( who go out of their way to publicise their “truth”) so there will be analysis of that from a variety of “experts” who let’s face it are looking to make a living. But whether YouGov should include them in official ratings I don’t know. They may not be working royals but they’re still part of the family. They participated in the Queens funeral - they stayed on the estate and received protection which was funded by the taxpayer so perhaps public approval is still deemed relevant.

'They are not working royals.
Harry said categorically he will not return to be a working royal.'

No, they're just milking the connection for all it's worth.

Yawn yawn yawn.

Middle aged very rich very lucky adults whining.

Just stop it.

They are not working royals. Why does it matter if they are not as popular as the others? Why are they still included in these polls?

I don't watch the polls but my guess is that if they don't include M&H it highlights how much the ones who are paid by the UK tax payer aren't that popular.

www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-trouble-with-prince-harry/
Good description here from Julie Burchill

I know posters like to insist that she was loved, up until Oprah or Bradby or whatever.

Well.... the threads on here don't indicate that, if we are a guage for the public.
There were awful posts on here on threads right from when they got engaged. Read through 'I'm fucking sick of Harry & Meghan already' started on the day they did their engagement interview.

I think you are looking back through rose coloured spectacles. There was a poster on one of these threads last week, and another yesterday, who actually posted that she went 'right off her' watching the engagement interview. And then the nastiness started, slow at first, then building up to this.

So it was not as a result of 'this' or 'that' or her behaviour recently. I appreciate that might not apply to you. Or others. But it was there from day one. For some they never gave her a chance and would jump on here starting threads right from back then, and MNers would join in.

A Julie Burchill article? I'd rather plant 1,000 cockroach eggs in my earhole than read anything she writes. She abuses Muslims, she targets anyone for the 'sexual thrill' it brings, and she walked out and left her 5 year old son.
Vile woman.

Willy and Harold

Really?

I know, right? Fisticuffs.

I agree. I remember nit picking stuff about her touching her pregnant bump. Not just on here but Facebook and in the tabloids. I remember Sarah Vine's article with the headline mentioning 'niggling ' feeling about the wedding, the photo of the chimpanzee, something about an avocado..

I've seen similar nastiness about Kate McCann and Amanda Knox. I don't agree with that either but the reason why they get attention is because their names are linked to serious crimes. At worse Meghan could be described as annoying.