Do Harry and Meghan realise hardly anyone supports them?

[Spck]

So everywhere there seems to be complete negativity towards the Netflix documentary and the autobiography coming out. They seem to be universally slated as whingers.
so how much do you think this feeds back to them? It must be v easy to live in a bubble with close supporters telling them they are doing a grand job. But how much reality do you think gets through of how badly they are coming across,

I don't know. I haven't scrolled back. I was disgusted with it.

AND I have been on thread after thread with plenty of posters defending him and laying into the victims I promise you.

Doesn't everyone say he hasn't been proved guilty? Why would he open this can of worms when his siblings and members of the RF won't?

H&M aren't concerned about proof though, thus the lack of any substance and specifics in their accusations.

The only “ defence” I have seen of the repulsive Andrew is when posters refer to him as being a paedophile or when they talk about him being charged .
there is no evidence of either.

I’ve a venn diagram that secret Mills and Boon readers all support H&M

Unfortunately no-one I know will admit to secretly reading Mills and boon novels or admit to supporting them so all the proof you need

😀

The facts are that he was good friends with a convicted sex offender. What are the facts about Charles or William being racist?

There are more facts about Harry's repeated racist words and actions which continued even after his talking to a Rabbi etc

I've seen more than that.

I started a lot of Andrew threads when the story gathered pace and onwards.

Does that make all that much of a difference? It shows the thinking some people have. Deleted or not, it's the fact it was on there. And the deletion wasn't that swift tbh. Not that I reported it, I'd rather have some of the more egregious stuff stay on bc that way you get a pretty good idea of what posters are about.

Does anyone actually believe the dancing in the street story ? Or the more recent one about the cabin crew kneeling in front of Meghan to thank her for her service ??
Anyone ?

@BethJ62

Well many posters say what she doesn’t lie so they must believe it ?

Andrew is Harry’s godfather

(only mentioning as much was made of Susan Hussey being Williams godmother)

He is also close with Eugenie, her being only one to be in the NF show.
Maybe he doesn’t want to upset her by talking about A?
Who knows?

Camilla and Charles look like they have a lovely relationship. I despised her when I was young but when I grew up a bit I realised life isn’t always so straight forward. They’d married the wrong people and were deeply unhappy.

@Janiie

Nelson Mandela had three wives, with whom he had six children, who in turn had 17 grandchildren, and as of now, 19 great grandchildren. It is a large family. Ndileka is the daughter of Mandela's son by his first wife, not by Winnie, and the Mandela family is notoriously dysfunctional, as dysfunctional in fact, as the Royal Family. The South African courts had to get involved in a family dispute over burials and graves, with secret reburying. It was ugly and unpleasant.

www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/03/south-african-courts-mandela-burial

So no, not every grandchild of Mandela's speaks for Mandela. That grandchild, in fact has disowned the ANC, Mandela's party.

But you know who protects the Mandela legacy? The fNelson Mandela Foundation, who partnered with Archetypes on Live to Lead, and had this to say:

The Nelson Mandela Foundation is proud to announce the launch of a new Netflix series on effective leadership, in collaboration with Blackwell & Ruth and Archewell Productions. Live to Lead is a seven-episode series of compelling interviews with some of the world's most respected and effective leaders from different walks of life, inspired by the legacy of Nelson Mandela.

We feel that there is a crisis of leadership at many societal levels globally.

With Live to Lead we want to inspire a new generation of leaders – leaders that earn respect and trust through the practice of their principles and their commitment to creating power for people, not themselves. We share this vision with our partners at Blackwell & Ruth and Archewell Productions, the latter founded by Prince Harry and Meghan, The Duke and Duchess of Sussex. It is our collective hope that this series will advance the legacy of Nelson Mandela in an innovative way, reaching a truly global audience.

Live to Lead was made to contribute towards inspiring better leaders, ones that are committed to ending poverty and inequity and who show the lead in making the just society of Nelson Mandela’s dreams.

We are grateful to everyone who participated in this project with us and to our partners who have made this work possible. Live to Lead will premiere on Netflix on the 31st of December 2022.

www.nelsonmandela.org

Usually the closer the relationship the more loyalty there is.

But Harry doesn't seem to feel loyalty to his father or his brother. Yet he does to his uncle the mate of an infamous sex trafficker. I just think it's weird.

After the huge financial settlement contributed by The Queen last year, I believe neither side's been allowed to discuss the case publicly because of the inclusion of a gagging order. Interestingly, the gag order expires next month which means, despite the millions awarded to Virginia Guiffre, she can start voicing the horrible experience she endured at the hands of Epstein and Prince Andrew. So it's going to start being an utter nightmare for him again.

After watching the whole H&M documentary, it is quite apparent that they don't endlessly 'slag' off the RF. Rather, they focus on the relationship the media has with the RF. The documentary talks about their childhood before they met, how they met, Harry's life under the spotlight, how Meghan and both of them as a couple have been portrayed by the media. They even cover the subject of slavery and highlight how, shockingly, as Enslaved did with Samuel L Jackson that it was only in 2015 that British tax payers finished 'paying off' the debt which the British government incurred to compensate British slave owners as a result of the abolition of slavery in 1835. Not many people were taught that at school, so it's a positive that H&M used their platform (they knew so many would watch. You may argue this point, but it is/was Number 1 on Netflix) to inform others.

There seems to be a recurring argument by some that H&M want their privacy, but can't seem to keep out of the spotlight, forever wanting to promote their podcast, book, and documentary, etc. I feel as though people are cherry picking here, only wanting to accept black 'n' white scenarios and not accept that, like most things in life, situations can be grey. H&M want to make their mark in the world. They have a lot in common, enjoy their activism and charitable work. All of that requires them having to raise their profiles. Meghan pretty much did all of this with her lifestyle blog the Tig or something like that. While I did think it was very odd of her to document and take so many photos and videos of their trip to Africa and even when H proposed, looking at the bigger picture, that's what she's like: constantly wanting content to document (or she did for the Tig). Just because they wanted to leave the confines of TRF it doesn't mean they have to live in impoverished surroundings. They are still allowed to try and earn a living and to do what they love and trying to make a change.

Oprah Interview (H and M)
Me you can't see (Harry)
James Corden (Harry)
Ellen (Meghan)

The Cut (Meghan to promote Archetypes)
Variety (Meghan to promote Archetypes)

Harry and Meghan Docuseries

Anderson Cooper (Harry to promote memoir)
ITV (Harry to promote memoir)

You missed off :

Harry’s Armchair Expert podcast with Dax Shepherd
Meghan’s entire series of 9 Archetypes podcasts
Their ITV interview with Tom Brady
The book Finding Freedom (presumably its sequel, Endgame also).

Taking the written ones off the list, that’s around 24 hours non-stop of them speaking publicly. That’s a lot!

Taken into account the millions they have spent to keep themselves in the news cycles, the quasi-royal activities they have undertaken and publicised (standing sombrely in front of a wreath at a military ceremony, Harry being saluted as he visits a US military memorial, a series of photo-ops in New York etc) they ahve been trying pretty hard to ensure they don’t fall out of the public eye.

Just show me where he has professed loyalty to Andrew. Anything to have a poke at Harry, eh?

It's laughable that Harry should speak for the RF about Andrew and his grotesque misdeeds.

I accept certain criticism of M&H, I can understand why people get annoyed about certain actions of theirs. Even if I don't agree.

But this is just criticism for the sake of criticism, and making out he is loyal to Andrew because he hasn't put out a statement on him is pathetic.

@Memam

That's a great post and echoes what I think.

Rousette "t's laughable that Harry should speak for the RF about Andrew and his grotesque misdeeds."

It's laughable that Harry should speak for the RF on any matter. But not laughable that he should speak for himself and he certainly doesn't sent I have any problems in doing that.

Some of the things they've said just don't stack up - which for me then throws doubt on the rest. I don't bother with articles on them, I did watch the first "documentary" but didn't watch any more.

I think our corrupt and inept government is probably doing more to damage the UKs reputation overseas but that said , I find it bizarre that people are so invested in the Royal Family when we will never know the truth or hear the other side of the story
I’m not really a monarchist nor do I want to listen to 2 members of the richest & most privileged family in the world moaning about how bad life has been for them ! They have strong narcissistic traits so I doubt they’ll ever take on board any negative feedback.
Quite frankly I’m bored with it all and wish they’d just stfu - when so many people are truly struggling , their constant whinging very distasteful !

Love your post @Memam

I wonder what jobs people think H and M should do given that they insult him for being thick and her for having no talent. What jobs would be suitable for this apparently talentless actress and her apparently thick husband? What would satisfy the baying mob, I wonder. I suspect nothing short of returning, tails between their legs, to the UK!

But Blip surely you understand that him speaking out about Andrew when not one other member of the RF has... people like his siblings, he will be speaking as a member of the RF, like it or not.

I will repeat... I get some of the criticism of them. Not on this. Not in a million years.

If I were him, I would not be speaking out about his Uncle who has not been found guilty of anything, but who has got his Mother to pay out to a victim of sex trafficking. Not in a million years.

Shall we leave it there? We are not going to agree and this difference of opinion is utterly pointless.

Well, actress (surely Meghan would be box office gold at the moment), running an acting school for kids, setting up a fancy schmancy Napa B&B, a goop style lifestyle blog - she has experience of similar).

Harry could work with veterans, teach polo playing, start an organic farm, learn to bake sourdough).

Lots of opportunities which don't include making money from criticism of your nearest and dearest.

"But Blip surely you understand that him speaking out about Andrew when not one other member of the RF has... people like his siblings, he will be speaking as a member of the RF, like it or not."

Nonsense.