Prince Harry now does 60 seconds RF bashing

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And another interview...

This whole drama gets weirder and weirder.

He is completely deluded, lost the plot it feels.

And I'm no royalist either

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Maybe he just has always felt like a square peg in a round hole and never fitted with the RF.

He appears to want a response. It's incredibly frustrating when you're up for an argument and the other person doesn't engage. 😂

This kinda feels like a magnified version of that.

He's clearly a traumatised and vulnerable man, his behaviour is paranoid. He doesn't see how unfounded some of his claims are and has no self awareness. The poster who said this reminds them of 'The Emperor's New Clothes' was spot on.

Whether Meghan is equally traumatised and deluded or whether she is just a manipulative narcissist who has preyed on his vulnerabilities remains to be seen.

I wish they'd received the help and support they needed within the institution, before they left and started slinging mud. They were clearly very volatile and unstable at the time. They are both are clearly struggling with their mental health and seem to cut off and punish anyone who contradicts them, really isolating themselves.

Well it shouts: we don’t care. I mean they do but to Harry that is how it will appear. They won’t fight for us, they won’t apologise (for what I don’t know), they want us to be the villains. How they benefit from H and M being in a villain pose I don’t know or how they are villains I don’t know. The negativity around them has been stoked by what they themselves have done.

I find the whole narrative of being victimised and treated unfairly really sickening, coming from two privileged people who wanted their "privacy" but can't seem to keep out of the spotlight.
Wish they would just go away.

She would only have credibility as a co-victim if she wasn't merching him in all directions. Unfortunately, most of her actions point to the fact that she is definitely in it for the money and milking the opportunity at a huge cost to all of his family relationships and mental health. The financial offers need to stop/dry up because once the well is dry, she will loosen the stranglehold and leave him with a fighting chance of long term recovery. Until then, it is looking more and more bleak for him.

Somebody is encouraging his paranoia, then telling him to show it to the world. He has his own Martin Bashir in the background and has obviously learned nothing from the exploitation of his mum. MB sat there sympathetically nodding along, just like Oprah (& Meghan?).

I don't understand why he thinks his family have made him/them villainous, why would they? If they need a villain then Andrew has already stepped up. What would they gain from it? But he believes it, just like his mum believed that 12 year old Prince William was recording her with his watch, and that her RPOs were spying on her, because Bashir convinced her of it.

I disagree I don't think she has genuine nefarious intentions.

I think she has a bit of "saviour complex".

I think she does love Harry, but can't figure out how to help him. Right now he's crying out to be listened to, so she's assisting with this, in the hope it will make it better.

They courted and married very quickly, probably another attempt to save him.
Statements if they are true as "get help or I'll leave" was probably her poor attempt and getting someone to face their mental health.

The same year they met, is still the same year Harry was still in the thick of substance misuse. He probably saw Meghan as his saviour to drag him out of that, and they've created a "unhealthy" bond through it, like a cop-dependency even though it has love at the heart of it.

Meghan also has a history of poor mental health, her anti natal depression is testimony to that, and would have put her at higher risk of post natal depression.

Maybe that's why the birth of Archie sorta amplified the issues they were both facing and speed up their departure form the firm, and why they both hit the fight or flight response.

Being under the type of spotlight they were would be unbearable also, futher compounding any underlying mental health sadly. It must have felt like living in a constant pressure cooker.

It's just a mess, the whole thing is a mess, and other than some sort of "big" intervention, this will continue to breaking point. Which I don't think anybody wants to see.

Charles definitely sought help for Harry after Diana’s death and during his teenage years.

both William and Harry had therapy after their mother’s death, they had a loving grandmother , and from what I’ve read both boys , specially harry , were quite close to their Aunts, and harry was very close to the Spencer girls ,
they had many people whose sole purpose was to look after their every need .

they both had the best education , wealth, health , stability and most importantly they had each other for support growing up.
Their relationship with their father may not have been ideal but they seem to come to terms with it.
sadly not all children who have experienced bereavement went through the same thing , while I do feel sorry for them to an extant , they grew up a million times better than many , many children in similar circumstances .

Tom Bower claims that many or even most of the Spencer side of the family were also not invited to the wedding. It's so sad. How anyone can think Meghan is benign and trying to help him is beyond me.

@meinteresamucho Were they invited to William's wedding?
I ask just because I wonder if these were members the brothers actually had contact with. If they were invited to William's wedding but not Harry's that suggests there was contact. If they were invited to neither that suggests there was no real contact anyway.

i have a relative whose father was murdered in front of her when she was 3. As the youngest of 4 & because her mother could no longer afford to look after her she was sent to live with a wealthy relative. She didn’t see her mother again until she was a teenager. I cannot imagine the trauma. However this often happened in my culture but you just had to get on with it. She has deep buried trauma (she’s now in her late 80’s), but through lack of funds, education she’s never dealt with the trauma.

Harry is not the only person to have suffered in this life. He needs to look at what he has. A beautiful wife, gorgeous children & I assume a lovely home. Start being grateful & not so angry. I’m sure Charles has made mistakes but what parent hasn’t?

I have much sympathy for Harry losing his mother at that age, and the public funeral and media circus that followed.

However (and this doesn't detract from Harry's trauma) William is only 2 years older. At the ages they were at the funeral (nearly 13 and just turned 15) the visual was that Harry was a young child and William was somehow adult because of the height difference. 15 is still not an adult but somehow the narrative that Harry was the young boy struggling to cope and William just had to get on with it. I'm sure it was traumatic and heartbreaking for both. In some ways I would say the pressure and feeling trapped would be greater for William being the direct heir.

None of this takes away from Harry's experience but it's sad that he's become alienated from his brother, the only person who had the same experience. He doesn't ever seem to reference the loss of Diana as something that massively affected both sons, in the recent interviews.

I’ll never stop wondering why, if it was all so hateful/racist/attacking/historically problematic/cruel etc, they are still hanging on to their titles for dear life, named their child after the head of the organisation in question, only started talking once their security (tres expensive!) had been pulled, and are still attending major royal events? I’ve never yet received any kind of solid answer to these wonderings 🤔

I think H has boxed himself into a corner here. He’s never going to receive an apology and I think he owes his family one too. I had an awful falling out with my brother ten years ago and after a couple of years, resumed a low level of contact for my dps sake, without any apology for his appalling behaviour. I don’t think KC and PW have that option of reaching out and making peace because H can never be trusted again.

Yes, they were at William's wedding. To be fair, I've just googled it and a lot of them were there. No guest list was published though so it's hard to know who wasn't and to verify it properly. Just tried to find it in Bower's book too but the index doesn't lend itself to a proper search of the subject! So maybe I just read that online. Ignore my previous comment - it might be wrong! I don't usually believe things unless they come from a good source though so I'll keep looking!

Actually with the way things are going, interviews , documentaries, books , it’s probably the RF who should ask for an apology not Harry!

I think the issue and it's for all of us our trauma response is as individual as our face.

William has always appeared to be a bit more "stable" "cautious" in his actions.

William did well in education and went on to study at university. He was pretty much left alone best he could be to do uni. He met Kate here, he was friends with her first, and then they began a romantic relationship. Caution and patience.

He then joined the armed forces, was stationed at Anglesey with Kate, where again he was pretty much left to his own devices to cautiously mature.

It wasn't really till their engagement and then their young family was he thrust into the spotlight he is in now.

But by which time he was nearing his 30's.

He was heavily protected, and this is where I agree with Harry.

Harry didn't have that luxury, he didn't get that decade of break, he was always party boy, tabloid fodder whilst he attempted to mature into a young man. He was a bit of a grenade in the services, his racial slurs and then his inability to promote left him once again "without purpose".

Clearly still heavily traumatised by his mother's tragic death, without the ability to cope or will to try and engage with therapy properly.

It must have been enviable to see your brother, cautiously settled and well protected. But meanwhile pictures of you fighting paparazzi or attending the same parties as your brother were published in questionable outfits but none of William equally questionably dressed.

Envy, jealousy, trauma, spotlight attention, lack of consistency and belonging.

Recipe for disaster.

So yes they "share" a mutual trauma, but their life paths diverge massively after said traumatic event.

It's really sad.

Did they publish their guest list? There are lists online but I can't work out if they've just been compiled using photos or if they're from the royals themselves. No idea how this works usually.

@lollipoprainbow **
Says everything about him doesn't it putting his ex mistress now wife over his son who is clearly unwell.

Indeed, the dynamics are certainly outwith anything I can get my head around.

Came on to say almost exactly this. So many people mention Harry losing his mother, William did too! Then there was huge pressure on William to keep the line going, find the 'perfect wife', get on with the job, hide your feelings in public. I don't understand why Harry just doesn't go away and enjoy his freedom that he apparently so desperately wanted. Hopefully in 6 months he'll have exhausted all his grievances and will bore off.

He's good at digging himself a deeper hole. Poor Harry sounds completely bananas.

Well said and, actually, it sounds as if William took on a parental role which causes just as much emotional harm and trauma.

@MoscowMules
You don’t think Harry was protected? Given the way his behaviour has spiralled out of control since he left the RF suggests to me that he was very much protected .
I have a close family member who works with a well known newspaper ( not the DM) and he has always maintained that a LOT of stories about Harry were buried “ by request “.

Not "not" protected but maybe not protected equally or as much perhaps.

Or like you say he was massively protected, but still manage to cause such a kerfuffle that they couldn't protect him from everything.