Live To Lead (Harry and Meghan) - This is brilliant!

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Loving this series. Well done Harry and Meghan. Fantastic and inspirational production.

@meinteresamucho

You are quite right - very few women are virgins on marriage and still wear white but there was a lot of press around at the time, with “sources” claiming that it was exactly for the reasons as I set out that the Queen was unhappy.

Remember, she refused to go to the King's wedding when he remarried and the Princess Royal went to Scotland to get remarried and the Queen didn’t attend.

The Queen was a very devout woman and took her rôle as Defender and Protector of the Faith and Supreme Head of the Anglican Church very seriously.

She refused to allow her own sister to marry a divorced man and told Princess Margaret that she must choose between love and the Royal Family. Ultimately the Princess chose her family and duty.

I think because a lot of people aren’t as caught up in the religiosity of the Church as much as they were in the past, they don’t perceive things like being divorced as a big deal, but for a woman whose family had already been through the wringer of scandal with the abdication and who was brought up to put duty first, being divorced, wearing white, having a veil, were all a big deal, as it just wasn’t right (in her eyes).

I'm glad they got over it eventually. They seem to put up with all sorts of other things so a white dress seems like the least of their problems but I do appreciate the Queen felt strongly about her faith in some ways.

Or maybe the Queen sussed her over the ridiculous curtsey and tried to scare her away with a fuss over the white dress.

Nobody would even have heard of it without HAM being attached.

It'd still be on a shelf gathering dust.

Ultimately the Princess chose her family and duty.

Princess Margaret chose the lavish lifestyle she didn't pay for and the gawping adoration of those she considered beneath her.

@Coucous
So posters here must be American or a bot if not British?

What? Why? I am sure there a great number of people of different nationalities/first languages posting. I definitely don’t assume that if someone isn’t British they must be American or a bot. That wouldn’t make sense.

I just noticed that the language used sounded American (or bot). I am a linguist and notice these things.

Please provide proof of where she explicitly said she does not want to be associated with the presenters

Danger of nitpicking here.

Those were not her exact words. She stated that she had had no association with them - exact words from her official statement: "there has been no communications with the Duke and Duchess of Sussex regarding the project"
(her statement quoted extensively in many media outlets).

😅 nice easing question wasn't it. Who's would say in public that they don't want to be associated with this pair (except them).

Ask the Clooneys!

*leading question - although easing too

Have the Clooneys said that? Any idea where?

That's the whole point. If not clear yet. They have said nothing. Best way to deal with when you don't want to be associated. Nowhere near to be seen 😅 after those visits to Lake Como, baby shower and the rest. If you ask, of course they will not answer.

Ouch, Nelson Mandela’s granddaughter has spoken out to decry Harry and Meghan using her grandfather’s name and legacy to make money.

“Harry needs to be authentic and stick to his own story, what relevance does grandad’s life have with his?” she said.
“I don’t believe he nor Meghan have ever properly met granddad, maybe when Harry was young at Buckingham Palace, but they are using his quotations in the documentary to draw in people and make millions without the Mandela family benefiting.
“I know the Nelson Mandela Foundation has supported the initiative but people have stolen grandfather’s quotes for years and have used his legacy because they know his name sells – Harry and Meghan are no different from them.
“I’ve made peace with people using granddad’s name but it’s still deeply upsetting and tedious every time it happens.”

@Serenster 😂

Await the crys of lies and denieing from sparkle fan club on here.

They are very welcome to look it up - those are quotes from an interview Ndileka Mandela gave to The Australian.

She is the oldest daughter of his oldest son (so, his oldest grandchild). And a different family member to the one who said that Meghan’s marriage to Prince Harry was not comparable to his grandfather’s release. That was one of her cousins, Zwelivelile ‘Mandla’ Mandela.

@Serenster ouch indeed . I saw that but wasn’t brave enough to quote it !
No doubt someone will be along to say that the Granddaughter in question was never close to her grandfather.

To be fair, the granddaughter is not part of the Mandela Foundation. The NMF made the documentary so its obvious they'd want to attach it to with the iconic leader and the inspiration of their foundation. So it's sort of inevitable that HAM are going to quote Mandela....with the blessing of the NMF, which might even have written the script.
Her criticism is personal and, of course, valid but we do have to remember the context in which HAM are speaking.

Very interesting!

Nelson Mandela’s granddaughter, Ndileka Mandela, has actually been supportive today of them using the quote and doesn’t understand the fuss. So, it seems someone has reported her thoughts on this incorrectly. Either in the past or today. That’s the problem with media sources that have agenda.

I read that article as far as this:

”That’s why Jeremy Clarkson had to be publicly shamed for his silly paragraph (a bad joke, at worst) in the Sun in which he wished that Markle would be ‘paraded naked through the streets.’

That was enough.

It appears that the granddaughter story is false. She Actually praised H & M
www.foxnews.com/entertainment/nelson-mandelas-granddaughter-defends-prince-harry-meghan-markle-legends-quotes-new-docuseries

The people being focused, i.e. Greta Thurnburg, Gloria Steinbeck, Jacinda Arden, are so clearly and indisputably inspirational, that they need no introduction: it's like making a programme about the focus of worship for a world religion, and saying that that figure inspires devotion; or about Santa Claus and saying that he spreads merriment.

I don't think you can equate the positivity which Greta Thurnburg inspires with anything Harry or Meghan say at the beginning, middle or end of the programme.

I don't think that this series will change many people's views or open their eyes any wider to what is obvious, but if you mean is voice-overing and presenting another role to do when you have a royal profile to capitalise on, then yes, it certainly is.

Honestly, I'm finding this story so odd. Somebody claimed she'd criticised them on a thread a few weeks ago and I couldn't find any evidence of it anywhere and assumed it had been made up. Then it seemed like some sort of a prophecy when it did appear in the papers. And now this Fox news article which makes it sound like they've spoken to her properly. And yet multiple better quality sources are saying it happened (The Independent and The Times for example). I can't work out what's been said or not said and why the discrepancy in reports when it's a simple issue of quoting someone well known.

It would have been a political choice imo. As PM of NZ, (which has King Charles as head of state) , it was very possible that she did not want to become embroiled in the royal family arguments in any way.

Well done to who? Honestly people actually involved in the project aren’t happy Megs and Harry have taken over.