If you watched all of Netflix H&M

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I have finally watched all episodes. It was much better than I was expecting and bore no resemblance to what was talked about for hours and hours by some posters on here.
I am interested in discussing the programme with people who have watched it all. What struck me was:

1. Harry clearly says Charles leaked the content of Harrys private letter to Charles, to the press.
2. William when younger had agreed with Harry that neither of them would behave as Charles had with his press office. But William went back on that and behaved the same way.
3. The Palace leaked the location of where Harry and Meghan were staying in Canada.
4. The small number of social media accounts run by mainly white middle-aged women who push hate for both of them but especially Meghan.
5. The myth that Meghan is controlling Harry is recognised by him as misogyny.

I think they were clearly right to leave.

It is an offensive word world-wide. So, use cigarette. No need to use the word.

Words only have the meaning people give them.

Would you say that about the N word, then?

The internet is world-wide. Not everyone on this site is from the UK. Members come from all over the world. Some of us even have gay relatives. When you post on the internet, which is global, you need to understand you aren't only conversing with UK members.

Does no-one get bored with the circular 'arguing' and 'strawmen'? If I were H&M I'd be gutted that my 'apparent' supporters were so poor at discussion, debate and at following H&M's wishes. Yy they need the publicity to earn income but they were very clear they weren't criticising the UK as a whole. These fabricated media debates have nothing to do with H&M.

Sorry. It wasn't clear to me, though. You've written quite a lot. So is it just you don't like the word fag. Because it has two very common uses in the UK. For a cigarette, and for a boring task you don't want to do.
I don't think I've ever seen a campaign by anyone to make those two meanings obsolete.

maybe that's the appeal - moan about the UK RF and you don't have to deal with the fact the US is so corrupt and that the only people jailed for the Epstein case (a case based on men exploiting and abusing women) is a British woman

Interesting point.

This was basically a production error. Their error. They could have done much better with this docu id they had shown some candidness and the ability to laugh about themselves. Or is that being too British 😅

Well seems to be for the whole lot of us! Their love is so special, almost unique and unattainable by the great majority of us. We have many lessons to learn and we should follow and listen to everything they say, produce and publish. And if you pay for the next release (in this case a book), all the better.

That is indeed a very interesting point.

Fixation with “idealised love” is yet another one of the traits of narcissism (as detailed in DSM-V) displayed by MM.

Just another communication that she is more superior than you - she can even love better - imagine that!

Can you expand on this a little?

Do you think NF have done a number on them?

Or the media / sm / public debate run off in a direction that H&M hadn’t foreseen?

Tbh after watching the series, I was left feeling they both have psychological issues. H seems paranoid - that scene where they constantly looking for a lone invisible paparazzi in NYC and talking about ‘ten minutes to safety’ was a bit worrying. It is also troubling that a man like H should be ‘terrified’ of his brother shouting at him. Either he’s lying or fragile. I also believe M is a liar or a fantasist - that story about the man thanking her for her service is bullshit.

Histrionic Personality Disorder

We have a corrupt government, people cannot afford their heating, NHS is under pressure, railway strikes, sewage in water etc.
We complain about these things, does not mean we cannot discuss other things too.

So to you racism, misogyny, xenophobia and other bigotry may not matter or be just fine. Does not mean others will not criticise it, Especially when it's happening in big institutions.

People surely use narcism to describe MM because they cannot use the n-word, right ?

The press has that for sure. It must be exhausting if you're the individual they're over reacting to.

For sure !

I am just watching from the sidelines, and the vitriol is exhausting, it must be unbelievably worse for H&M.

For those watching.

I recommended it to an acquaintance this long weekend. They are on p4 now and messaged to say how touched they were when Doria talked about the suicide thinking and she says "it's not easy for a mum to hear"

And the only one male repeatedly mentioned is Prince Andrew rather than Gates or Clinton?

I find this notion somewhat bizarre that people think the only reason people dislike Meggan is because they’re racist. It’s a completely ridiculous argument, and tbh not a particularly balanced one, if you think that the only thing someone has going for them is their race, and that they somehow don’t have any other personality traits which might make them unlikeable.

Of course Meggan is going to be subject to racism from some quarters, but accusing anyone who takes issue with the kind of person she is of being a racist is somewhat tedious.

It’s so dangerous as well. It basically means she can’t be criticised at all. Everyone can be criticised because no one is perfect.

What a bizarre logic 😅 thanks for the laugh

My take is that they both were both completely unprepared for a life outside the RF and that the RF should have insisted on a senior advisor to accompany them and liaise between their office and HQ for at least the first few years. I do feel that they were set adrift with no idea how to navigate the waters they were in. Harry hasn't made a decision in his life until now that wasn't discussed and approved before he did it. Meghan also seems very naive in that it isn't Harry that people are interested in but his position within the RF. They both struck me as horribly out of their depth throughout the filming of this.

I do think that it could and should have been very different for everyone. As it is, family links are broken almost beyond repair and they're facing a turning tide in the US as well as the UK. Quite where they go from here, I don't know.

Apart from some speeches, buy the Mandela Foundation project, going around with a backpack with food while entertaining a journalist, posting some PR posing as a humanitarian etc in Twitter, and whinging about in Spotify/Netflix/ books released directly or indirectly. All while living in an 8 gifure pound house and flogging private jets and playing polo with you wealthy friends (or presenting the trophy in her case). That is a busy life, and they can do what they want, but wouldn't call it humanitarian or charity work exactly.

MM was labeled this while still in the RF. She had never spoken to anyone at that point. People only heard her talking about charity projects. You don't know her personally.

After all this barrage, she went on Oprah and this Netflix and told what took place to those who were wondering what has she done exactly, to be so vilified,

She does not constantly tweet and say offensive things (as I see she has been lumped with Trump and Elon) this weekend - which is ironic because those two are Magas, and Magas hate MM.

You know nothing about her, except that she has been attacked left right and centre and she defended herself.

The people who came up with this label are racist (as shown in their videos and postings) who clearly wanted to say 'She's a N..........arcissist" (yeah, can't say that word out loud nowadays)

laying polo with you wealthy friends

Your whole post is all kind of ignorant. You do know that the polo raised millions for Sentebale right? As well as for the local charities.

This is why I say they don't need the British Media, because you get people like this going on about their dislike and saying things like this because they don't give publicity to H&M charities, just a barrage of hate.

If you had watched the series as is suggested on the title of this thread you would know that they have lots of charities. If you had been following anything about them apart from BM and hate accounts, you would know that they have worked with and donated to over 50 charities within the last 2yrs.