If you watched all of Netflix H&M

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I have finally watched all episodes. It was much better than I was expecting and bore no resemblance to what was talked about for hours and hours by some posters on here.
I am interested in discussing the programme with people who have watched it all. What struck me was:

1. Harry clearly says Charles leaked the content of Harrys private letter to Charles, to the press.
2. William when younger had agreed with Harry that neither of them would behave as Charles had with his press office. But William went back on that and behaved the same way.
3. The Palace leaked the location of where Harry and Meghan were staying in Canada.
4. The small number of social media accounts run by mainly white middle-aged women who push hate for both of them but especially Meghan.
5. The myth that Meghan is controlling Harry is recognised by him as misogyny.

I think they were clearly right to leave.

I think there are two sides to every story, but one thing is for sure the British press are pigs and what they do should not be allowed (mind you says alot about the British given they only do what the 'people' want). Mostly the whole thing is just sad all around for both sides of the family, including MM father

I suspect she is very invested as presenting the RF as dysfunctional , and encourages Harry to do the same , to minimise how dysfunctional her own family is.

But M is not the first to say this. This is said all the time by the British themselves and quite often on Mumsnet.

I am curious of MM comments prior to NF release that it wasn’t how they would have told it……any thoughts on which parts they were unhappy with?

Doesn't it put a question mark over the whole The Tig project and the lifestyle being portrayed for likes and freebies?
The problems with her sister and brother were already cemented, her relationship with her father was already cracking. How much did Harry know about the actual vs reality at various stages of getting to know her, I wonder.

Can she properly separate fact from fiction and if she genuinely cannot, then is she to blame?

She says the relationship with her father was destroyed by him talking to the media in the weeks leading up to the wedding, but it still doesn't explain why Harry never met her father, in person, between the engagement and the wedding.

I can totally understand why she has nothing to do with him, or her siblings, now, that's for sure.

I remember watching a documentary featuring Thomas Markle some time back , maybe before H&M left the RF.
In was made to show Thomas Markle in a good light but in it, he clearly states he expected Meghan to ‘take care of him’.
And that shows me that she is probably better off without him in her life.

I would suspect that Thomas Markle is as dysfunctional and awful as everyone involved is. Royal family and Markle family alike.

I also don't think her being mixed race was the root cause of tension in the family either. I've got several californian friends and a couple of them, both women of a similar age to meghan can come across as pushy, over confident and very opinionated and I truly feel this is where she rubbed people up the wrong way

I've been wondering this too. DD brought a new American friend back from university during Reading Week. Her friend was very opinionated and seemed to think that correcting and talking over other people made her appear 'a strong confident woman'. In reality she came across as just rude and charmless. I wouldn't be surprised if Meghan behaved in much the same way.

Fag and faggot are still slurs in tie country depending on how the words are used.

I cannot tell if 'fag and faggot are still slurs in tie country' means 'this country' or 'the country', or if the poster therefore means in the UK or the US.

I meant this country - the UK. Those who perhaps think they are only associated with meat products and cigarettes are either naive, don't know any gay people or are purposely ignorant.

Fanny anyone?

Context is everything. People know fag and faggot can be used as a slur but that doesn't mean that it's always a slur.

I remember watching an interview with Tiffany Haddish and a UK comedian (think it was the guy who did ‘mans not hot’. Can’t remember his name) where the word nappy was used, and she got really offended and said he shouldn’t say it as it’s disrespectful to black people and a racist term.
He, being black himself, explained it’s the same as a diaper, and she was not having it at all. He just looked bewildered at her reaction.
It was so awkward.

A fag is a cigarette …..fag end, etc.
Surely someone saying ‘give us a fag’ in the smoking area outside a pub could not be misunderstood.

I’m British and have been living on the east coast of USA for 20 years and I do not consider the vast majority of Americans to be pushy, opinionated and overly confident at all. I have found them to be very friendly, curious about life in UK, fond of the royal family and their traditions. Those who are pushy would just be an individual characteristic as it would be in any other country.

The British press are pigs and very tough. Also if you are a big shaky with your fact checking, they will surely find you. And feed the news with your shortcomings.

You don't have to be 'shaky' with any facts. They will outright twist what you said and leave out any info to show the context of what you say.

In one part, MM talks about the letter and says, what if you showed the redacted parts, what picture would that paint.

Meghan's family aren't as 'huge' on the worldwide stage, but they're still her family - they helped shape the person she's become in exactly the same way Harry's family shaped him. She has a half brother who grows medicinal cannabis, a half sister who abandoned a child. There are stories there.

Only her mother and father 'shaped' her as she did not know the older siblings that much. She has already shared about her parents on the Tig and TM also had his documentary. Not too sure how much more there is to add really.

As for the half sister and brother. That is their story to share, not hers. Just as there was not much to share about Andrew, William or Charles and Camilla affair.
They shared as far as it concerns them (H&M).

How do you know - did she tell you?
Until, say, a few weeks ago, nobody had heard about Ashley and the supporters were forcefully claiming that ALL of the Markles were strangers to Meghan.
Most mysteriously, why was Ashley not mentioned before or not mentioned in the Oprah interview?

I watched them - I only became interested in the Royals after HME2 passing (RIP) - I follow a few people on you tube and I think it is all so entertaining!

• LadyC
• The body language guy
• The behaviour panel

Nothing really to do with M and H but just brought back funny memories of a colleague from the US about 18 years ago. She rented about 50 miles away from work believing this to be a short, realistic commute (she was usually 2 hours late every morning) and believed the NHS was a third world standard service and was constantly expressing great pity for British people and what we had to endure.

I have lived in the US too - on both coasts (admittedly not in the middle!) and one thing I take issue with is the Meghan hugging/ripped jeans/bare feet thing when meeting William and Kate. Americans are individuals as we are here and I honestly can’t remember anyone hugging, particularly at a first meeting. If anything Americans are actually more formal in general, and display very good manners when being introduced.

I have been bingeing on Catfish recently and I particularly notice that no one hugs in introductions - it’s all handshakes at best.

Not too sure how you can compare complete strangers from Catfish to people who have known your partner for years and will be family soon, tbh.

What a list ! 😂😂

I'd recommend expanding your list.