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Harry and Meghan - Fairytale or not?!

151 replies

Teaandtoast2022 · 23/12/2022 18:51

After watching the Netflix series - I’m just in awe at how perfect their relationship is. How in awe he is of his wife, and how strong they are as a couple.

Does love like that really exist?!

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bakalava · 24/12/2022 19:33

"LOOK AT US EVERYONE. WE ARE IN LURVE. THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE JUST IN CASE YOU NEED AN EXAMPLE TO FOLLOW! NOBODY IN HIS FAMILY HAS EVER BEEN IN LOVE. FOLLOW US AND YOU WILL LEARN HOW BUT YOU WONT GET TO THIS LEVEL BECAUSE WE ARE THE FIRST SINCE ADAM AND EVE!"

DivorcingEU · 24/12/2022 19:54

I think their relationship has a strong sense of "us against the world" and "aren't we special!" which unites them. If the newspapers, social media, TV channels, forums such as this all stopped giving them publicity I'm not sure what would happen. If nobody was there fueling this idea victimhood - or there being sycophantic - then what would they have? I don't know the answer.

I think that starved of any publicity they might struggle.

It would be nice to be wrong.

Roussette · 24/12/2022 20:40

bakalava · 24/12/2022 19:33

"LOOK AT US EVERYONE. WE ARE IN LURVE. THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE JUST IN CASE YOU NEED AN EXAMPLE TO FOLLOW! NOBODY IN HIS FAMILY HAS EVER BEEN IN LOVE. FOLLOW US AND YOU WILL LEARN HOW BUT YOU WONT GET TO THIS LEVEL BECAUSE WE ARE THE FIRST SINCE ADAM AND EVE!"

Good grief, are you feeling OK?! Xmas Grin

Diverseopinions · 24/12/2022 21:41

Hugasauras · 24/12/2022 15:14

Sorry I know there's a lot of good serious stuff on this thread but I am seriously PMSL at 'straight outta Compton' being from a Richmal C(r)ompton book 😂😂😂

No it can't be Richmal C(r) ompton because it's not 'Just William', it's both Kate AND William that Meghan and Harry want to drag down.

I was being tongue in cheek about the writer.

Teaandtoast2022 · 24/12/2022 23:11

bakalava · 24/12/2022 19:33

"LOOK AT US EVERYONE. WE ARE IN LURVE. THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE JUST IN CASE YOU NEED AN EXAMPLE TO FOLLOW! NOBODY IN HIS FAMILY HAS EVER BEEN IN LOVE. FOLLOW US AND YOU WILL LEARN HOW BUT YOU WONT GET TO THIS LEVEL BECAUSE WE ARE THE FIRST SINCE ADAM AND EVE!"

Wow I never expected so many replies, most of them quite thoughtful but this post made me laugh.

Also the post that resonated with me the most was, starved of any publicity, what would be their identity? Do they need this identity in order to be strong, or are they strong without it?

It is beautiful to think that love like that exists, that it can look pretty much perfect. But when you have maids, and nannies, all the money to do the dream career and projects and you have access to fabulous healthcare etc and you don’t have to to worry about who looks after the kids if you get sick etc. Life would look pretty rosy too, if that wa available to everyone.

Racism occurs everywhere, and some people even get murdered or torchered because of it. They were lucky they had the means to escape, money and contacts that were available. Many people are stuck in situations they don’t want to be in, out of absolute misfortune, and live in fear.

I don’t think love like theirs exist, because there environment is very unlike majority of people, so the fact they try to ‘relate’ to normal people makes
me feel - I don’t know what the word is.

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Teaandtoast2022 · 24/12/2022 23:13

*their environment

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GreenLunchBox · 25/12/2022 00:35

Diverseopinions · 24/12/2022 12:40

So, I googled and Compton is a rough area with crime. So anybody who lives in Compton not only has a hard time living amidst anti-social behaviour, but they get denigrated by the suggestion that it's an insult to be one of them, living amongst them.

It's best not to get insulted by social references because you end up making the people who do live in unfashionable places feel bad. Somebody has to live in Compton. You just make those in the neighborhood feel slighted.

Comments about areas can be snobby on Mumsnet and I get annoyed when posters asking what are nice areas to live in SE London get told: 'Oh. That place is too near Woolwich
Avoid it!' 'Oh no! You can't be near Woolwich.' And all the snobbish references to nice cafes that are basically elitist comments.

It's really insulting to people who live there. It does have a fair bit of crime, but all places do, these days. Especially in London. I live a few miles away and go to Woolwich daily.

So is it totally different for the press to say that Kate's forebears were coal miners who came home from the pit covered in soot and dirt and washed in a tin bath in the kitchen and saying that Meghan lived near a deprived area?

If you are talking about an area with a diverse population it stops being a social slur and becomes extreme racism? Is that right?

So you admitted you had to Google the place and then launched into a lengthy story/narrative that you've made up in your head to justify the racism so clear in this article.. Anybody who grew up listening to rap in the 90s will know that Compton was famous for 'black-on-black' gang violence/drug crime

meinteresamucho · 25/12/2022 03:32

babysgotthespends · 24/12/2022 08:57

"But, for me, what they want to say is still horribly hurtful and deliberately damaging against the Royal Family, their family."*
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The RF did nothing when the tabloids printed those awful stories - especially the Kate and Meghan comparisons, saying she's "Straight outta Compton" such witty and clever journalism that! The "diva" comments, making senior royals cry, angry black woman trope 🥱etc
There are some nasty comments directed at M on this thread but she has had nothing but racist bile thrown at her so if defending herself damages the RF then so be it. Although a Prince hanging out with a paedo so publicly is surely more damaging to the RF 🤷🏿‍♀️

That's not true. In Jason Knauf's evidence to the court during Meghan's court case he presented a detailed account of action they took against the press on Meghan's behalf. They did protest a number of stories directly with the newspapers and were successful in preventing other stories from appearing. You can't take Meghan's word for it when she says these things. She isn't telling the truth and was proven to have lied in court. Jason Knauf's evidence was probably partly why she was only awarded £1 in damages for invasion of privacy (or however it's worded) and is also why she hates him so much.

Coronateachingagain · 25/12/2022 23:28

torquewench · 23/12/2022 20:17

Has anyone ever mentioned that Tyler Perry, the billionaire who loaned them his house before ever meeting them because he saw MMs dad being mean about her in the Mail, is a business partner of Oprah Winfrey?

Ahaha I didn't know this. So they did the interview for free and they got the house for free - it's a great deal, no paper trail for the tax man

ZeViteVitchofCwismas · 26/12/2022 00:19

@bakalava 🤣🤣🤣

MarshaMelrose · 26/12/2022 01:02

Coronateachingagain · 25/12/2022 23:28

Ahaha I didn't know this. So they did the interview for free and they got the house for free - it's a great deal, no paper trail for the tax man

It's reminiscent of the Mandela Foundation and Harry's UN speech.
The MF had made a documentary but couldn't sell it. H&M bought it and took it to Netflix. The MF invited Harry to speak to the UN.
So Harry gives money to MF, and in return Harry gets to speak at the UN.
The relationships between the famous and wealthy seem very incestuous.

ArcaneWireless · 26/12/2022 01:31

I hope they are deeply in love and happy and I hope for their sake that it stays that way.

They do seem to portray that it is them against the world. I’m not sure that it is entirely healthy or indeed helpful to be so dependent.

I’m not convinced that some of the choices they are making are necessarily ones made by genuinely happy people and I am not sure that when you are deeply in love you need to ‘prove’ it to anyone else by showing private moments of how in love you are. Why should anyone need such earnest convincing?

Ultimately no one knows but them. Not really.

But for their sake? I do hope it is a fairytale. It will be a bloody awful place to be if it is not.

GreenLunchBox · 26/12/2022 02:34

Coronateachingagain · 25/12/2022 23:28

Ahaha I didn't know this. So they did the interview for free and they got the house for free - it's a great deal, no paper trail for the tax man

I thought Oprah hated her according to bitches people on here

Miss03852 · 26/12/2022 02:40

The thing that annoys me about them is most people are in the public eye for a specific reason e.g to promote a film, an album, but their whole claim to fame to to whinge about the royal family. Ok, now what? Why are they both obsessed with being famous for the sake of it? Just move on with your lives.

Unthinkable8 · 26/12/2022 04:07

User12453315 · 23/12/2022 19:30

Textbook narcissistic trauma bonding

this

Mezmer · 27/12/2022 01:10

I think the press has always been waiting in the wings for a ‘rags to riches’ type story to raise its head and that this is what they have been obsessed with over Meghan, on the whole. Not the colour of her skin

you have to be absolutely beyond the pale to get wound up over skin colour in the UK. Who the fuck cares about it? On the whole no one gives a shit about Meghan’s heritage apart from a very small number of ‘haters’

the press made quite a big deal about the fact Kate’s family were ‘normal’ folk. The fact Meghan was an actress and came from a split family in a rough part of the US was absolute fodder.

on the whole that has been the main angle the press has persisted with, not her skin colour.

ThighMistress · 27/12/2022 17:34

This morning I saw a Facebook post of some people’s Christmas with many hashtags along the lines of “The World’s Most Wonderful Family” and, worse, “This is the family everyone wants to be in” Hmm

It reminded me of H&M’s professions of love and romance. Why the need to hit people over the head with a sledgehammer about it? It’s too much.

Frankly the only people I know who live their life as a couple permanently in giddy love alienated their dcs. Who was it who said The children of lovers are orphans?

electricmoccasins · 27/12/2022 17:44

PeaceJoySleep · 23/12/2022 20:25

'the splitting up rumour came from them having a lawyer ring fence their own assets. Apparently this makes good sense if one of them is sued. Only the portion of the money owned by the one being sued is at risk. i read several lawyers explain it.

Their marriage reminds me of my mum and my Dad's. They've been married about 54 years. my mum has to be right. She is quite defensive. Fairly popular but she doesn't ''go deep''' if you like. She gets angry if you try to get to know her to be honest. She has to be right, and always is right. But she can be very charming and generous. My dad who lost his mum at 7 is not confident that he's a strong person on his own. He is strong when he aligns with her. It works for them. They believe they have a great marriage and I used to buy in to that too. About five years ago I looked at them and finally saw the dysfunction.

My God, this is my parents’ personalities and marriage. My Dad lost his Mum at 12. 😔

pilates · 27/12/2022 18:18

Yes, the press tried to make out that Charles and William married “commoners” so when Meghan came along they had a field day.

Diverseopinions · 28/12/2022 05:46

pilates · 27/12/2022 18:18

Yes, the press tried to make out that Charles and William married “commoners” so when Meghan came along they had a field day.

Constitutionally, it's significant that senior members of the Royal Family are marrying individuals who don't trace their ancestry back to members of the aristocracy. Historically, this is a significant departure from tradition and may or may not indicate a correlation between evolutions in society and evolutions within the institution of the British Royal Family. The trend, I think, is about fifty years old.

Diana Spencer was an aristocrat by birth, but Prince Edward's wife Sophie was not. Andrew's wife Sarah Ferguson did have aristocratic antecedents, going back generations, I think. I don't think Princess Anne's first husband, Mark Phillips, did.

Interestingly, I think that on her father's side, Kate Middleton had some gentry antecedents - but not aristocratic. If you go back far enough, lots of people have 'blue blood'. Doesn't Danny Dyer, the Eastenders actor, have royal blood to about four English kings?

I don't agree with the Press reporting on a person's social antecedents or ethnic ones, at all. Especially not now. We know that the Royal Family and aristocracy don't only marry other aristocrats, as they did 100 years ago. Unless the press are going to make clear why they are doing it: to show the way the Royal Family is 'modernising' their structure, if that is what the journalist thinks is happening, then don't say it because it it isn't following the principle that everybody in British Society has an equal right to try for any job or position, regardless of social/ ethnic background, and as long as they are qualified.

I can see the press might want to write about constitutional and historic change, but the cack-handed way they are going to do it to make it snappy, will only obscure their meaning and leave readers thinking that they are being personally unkind to the person marrying in. I'm not convinced that most people care about historic constitutional evolutions, so I think they can cross it off the list of key angles every newspaper article should contain when written about a royal marriage. Time, date, guests, BBC or ITV, is sufficient.

BadgerB · 28/12/2022 12:16

AppleDumplingWithCustard · 23/12/2022 19:24
In awe? He’s fucking terrified in case he displeases her.

This. He would be losing his mother all over again.

purpledalmation · 31/12/2022 12:21

You do realise it's a work of fiction?

TheRedLip · 31/12/2022 13:51

There's not a chance in Hell that Meghan would have fallen in love with Harry if he'd just been plain Mr Harry Windsor, a logistics manager for Amazon. She married him to further her career and profile.

SoyMarina · 31/12/2022 16:44

Agree with TheRedLip
The relationship is codependent and unhealthy.
The fact that their bond is based on being estranged from their families says a lot.

purpledalmation · 31/12/2022 17:22

TheRedLip · 31/12/2022 13:51

There's not a chance in Hell that Meghan would have fallen in love with Harry if he'd just been plain Mr Harry Windsor, a logistics manager for Amazon. She married him to further her career and profile.

Unfortunately it worked.