The King rejects cut-price coronation in favour of ‘glorious’ pomp and pageantry

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Monarch wants to use ceremony to showcase ‘UK plc’ internationally, despite being deeply conscious of the cost of living crisis

www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2022/12/21/king-rejects-cut-price-coronation-favour-glorious-pomp-pageantry/

How do you feel about this?

No doubt, the sad thing about it all, is that it will actually work.

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He could have a really pared back short ceremony lasting 20 minutes on BBC2 for those that want to watch it. It's going to be like the funeral again isn't it... wall to wall everywhere.

Totally OTT. He's having some grand marching past thingy on his birthday too.

Slimmed down monarchy my arse.

Let it happen then., They can't read the room and it just entrenches anti RF feeling to have a massively ostentatious coronation. It won't do them any favours except with the royal tea towel brigade

Pro RF / monarchy went up after the Queen’s state funeral so who knows, it might again.

Many people who don’t like them still spend a lot of time talking about them - as on here

People are interested in the RF whether it’s one side or the ex side

We are not going to get the tourists in if the ceremony is the equivalent of nipping down the register office. All the pomp and pageantry gets the visitors from overseas spending their money here.

I'll just copy Mummie's playbook and the serfs will love it
he's not met us then has he😂
at least it will be amusing seeing how that works out for him....

I thought we have 71 trade deals and the EU have 70. No? Maybe I misunderstand that.

Which King Charles do you love so much? Don’t you think Charles is an ominous name for a King? 5 London lessons King Charles could learn from his historical namesakes

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Symon Hill has written a very good article about this problem between an earthly mortal king and divine immortal God as king.

“Not My King!' Why, as a Christian, I am willing to be arrested for opposing the monarchy” www.premierchristianity.com/opinion/not-my-king-why-as-a-christian-i-am-willing-to-be-arrested-for-opposing-the-monarchy/13980.article

“It wasn't until the fourth century, when the Roman Empire domesticated Christianity, that theologians began promoting support for earthly kings. Old Testament passages were torn from their context to suggest that all kings are anointed by God. In reality, God said that by asking for an earthly king, the Israelites had "rejected" him (1 Samuel 8:7-9).”

Yeah, I don't believe in superstitious nonsense.
I think Charles III is an interesting person with interesting ideas who's worked hard to achieve better for people. I like him.

Yes.

Superstitious nonsense like thinking an earthly man called Charles is somehow superior enough to you that you will call him King?

“interesting”

Yes, I suppose it is interesting that Charles married a virgin 12 years younger than him to bear his heirs, even though he did not love her and loved another woman. Sounds like a morally interesting person.

"May you live in interesting times!"

Yes, I suppose it is interesting that Charles married a virgin 12 years younger than him to bear his heirs, even though he did not love her and loved another woman.

But I think he cared for her and thought it would grow into love. Certainly people who saw them together said that treated each other as if they were in love at the beginning.

But, even so, that doesn't negate all his other good work. We're much than just one facet of ourselves.

Think all you like. You don’t know the details. Charles is on record saying, after their engagement and asked if in love, “Whatever Love Means”.

Anyway you are yet to get your head and heart around the fact a defender of the faith is expected to do some actual protecting and defending of the faith to earn their earthly King or Queen title. Defenders of the faith have clearly failed with you if you believe faith is superstitious nonsense.

Would you tell Charles how you feel about faith?

But when I saw the interview at the time, it just came across as one if those eccentric things Charles,would say. Never show too much emotion, etc.

Superstitious nonsense is that by having the name Charles, it will in anyway influence his nature, reign or fortune to be like the previous 2. Its just a name.

I don't look at defender of the faith like you do. I don't believe that it's the job of the monarch to keep the numbers practising that religion high. It's their job to keep the Anglicanism welcoming and receptive to change. Its a difficult line to walk, to keep people on board, while presenting new ideas.

I think Charles would be the most interesting person to talk to about faith. I believe he's deeply spiritual and committed to harmony between all religions. I'd love to chat with him about religion in general, his journey so far and his ideas for the future.

@MarshaMelrose ”I don't look at defender of the faith like you do. I don't believe that it's the job of the monarch to keep the numbers practising that religion high. It's their job to keep the Anglicanism welcoming and receptive to change. Its a difficult line to walk, to keep people on board, while presenting new ideas.”

The real problem is apathy. People who do not care about faith but love the monarchy are the worst, imo, because they don’t realise they’re harming the very monarchy they profess to love by not giving faith a chance.

Most people who think they’re above faith and too intelligent for it also have not explored faith. It’s like saying you don’t like reading Shakespeare having heard of his stories but never read a word he wrote or seen one of his plays performed.

I think Charles would be the most interesting person to talk to about faith. I believe he's deeply spiritual and committed to harmony between all religions. I'd love to chat with him about religion in general, his journey so far and his ideas for the future.

I agree that he will do better than his mother on that front. Her never complain and never explain line always seemed cowardly to me. I respect courage, even if I don’t agree with what the courageous are saying. Courage is a virtue; cowardice is not.

Superstitious nonsense is that by having the name Charles, it will in anyway influence his nature, reign or fortune to be like the previous 2. Its just a name.

Do not underestimate the power of a name. It’s not superstitious nonsense when there’s a psychological and historical backstory to the name. But maybe this will be the 3rd Charles lucky (or unlucky).

The fact is the RF and more particularly Charles and William own the largest amount of land in this country. They not only don't need it as all their expenses are fully paid for for life; they don't pay any taxes. Yet the government not only keeps going after the commoner trying to make a living, they pitch us against eachother, distract us and program us using the media, asking for higher taxes. Tenants are fighting landlords, socialists want everyone on the same pay etc. We're all paying them and now they say Charles is refusing a slimmed down coronation. Ofcourse he is. This is a man who can't put toothpaste on his toothbrush nor move paper away from his desk. He has servants who dress him, drive him, cook, clean etc. Yet he needs more to be spent on him but we can't afford to pay nurses or heat our homes!

But you can't force faith on people. By its very nature, it's something that has to come from within. I believe that people today are desperate to believe in something, to join with others in spiritual matters. But science has explained too much away and people are scared to be ridiculed for going against science to believe in something that requires faith. Young people seem to me to be so very scared of life, of being challenged, to feel out of their depth. Its not a surprise that they're the unhappiest generation. Maybe they are the very people the church should be trying to reach.

Charles is on record saying, after their engagement and asked if in love, “Whatever Love Means”.

That's probably the most sensible remark he's ever made.

@MarshaMelrose ”I believe that people today are desperate to believe in something, to join with others in spiritual matters. But science has explained too much away and people are scared to be ridiculed for going against science to believe in something that requires faith. Young people seem to me to be so very scared of life, of being challenged, to feel out of their depth. Its not a surprise that they're the unhappiest generation. Maybe they are the very people the church should be trying to reach.”

This is one of the most insightful and thoughtful things I’ve seen you post.

Agreed. I struggled with this too because, as you say, the science squad seem to be ‘right’. Which suggests the faith squad are ‘wrong’. And we all know that people fear being wrong or thought of as stupid - I know I did, but I learned not to care about how it looked like to others and that people actually respect you more if you have the courage of your convictions too.

The science squad might be ‘right’ in a cold hard fact way but the faith squad offer more warm comfort to feel it’s safe to not know everything. And that’s what I think the younger generation need - some safety to feel it is ok, normal in fact, to not know it all.

Like with all remarks, it has to be taken in its context.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=eUtF034h41Q

The face Diana made after saying ‘of course’ didn’t exactly look convincing.

I’ve grown to really like Charles.

He made mistakes but who hasn’t. Let he without sin etc etc

I’m glad he’s going all out.
I love all the pomp.

Plus when you have so many people flocking to streets it does absolutely wonders for local businesses, so swings and roundabouts in regards to costs. These events definitely boost the local economy

Well said, it is sickening and anachronistic 🤢