Page 7 | To think the palace should issue a statement condemning Clarkson's comments?

Reindeersnooker · 2022-12-20T16:01:22+00:00

I'm all for their dignified silence on everything else. I don't trust Harry or Megan. But Jeremy Clarkson's comments are horrific and were made in Britain against a woman who has become a member of their family. NOT issuing a statement sends out such a hurtful message and indicates that anything can be said about her, for all they care. Even the MPs have managed to put something on paper. It's clear that Harry will be beyond hurt if they do nothing and this time he'd have a point, IMO. Each comment like this published in the press erodes the boundaries for online trolls. If I was Meghan, I wouldn't feel I could return to the UK as it's clear the normal rules don't apply to her. What will her children think of Britain when they grow up and become aware of these articles? Won't they be likely to wonder how the palace responded? While it makes no sense to try and placate Harry generally, letting this play out without one word of censure to the press seems needlessly provocative. It wouldn't be difficult to issue a statement saying something to the effect of "We stand against bullying and hate speech..." Two lines to indicate they see it and it's not ok. Or not?

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 20/12/2022 17:55

MyRiverThee · 20/12/2022 17:16

The vigil that she could have put her hood up and wore a face mask like others did?...oh no, then we would have all missed the PR stunt as she quietly paid her respects.

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On a serious note why should she have paid her respects quietly? She wasn’t doing anything controversial. Nor did she invite photographers or issue a statement

DressedUp · 20/12/2022 17:55

PicturesOfDogs · 20/12/2022 17:47

This is an absolute shit show for the RF.
No doubt about it.

I think as well this and the Lady Hussey thing are going to make people a lot more sympathetic reading Harry’s book, whereas before it would have been dismissed as whinging.

Interesting times indeed for the RF.

Yes. Its almost like Harry and Meghan are right in everything they’ve been saying.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 20/12/2022 17:57

but the Everard vigil was a political event, not a personal one

FFS vigils are NOT political events. Some people made this one in particular into a particular event, or tried to.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 20/12/2022 17:59

And it was supposedly illegal to attend until Kate went, when all of a sudden Cressida Dick alleged Kate was there in a working capacity.

Its illegal to attend a vigil?

When did Cressida Dick say that?? How would she know - was it a joint effort with the police?

Ohtheweatheroutsideistoocold · 20/12/2022 17:59

PicturesOfDogs · 20/12/2022 17:03

But they left the RF, so why do they need their protection now?
Better they put out their own statement, but I don’t think they should either

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They left the family firm, they are still family

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 20/12/2022 18:02

Consufed · 20/12/2022 17:38

I don't like JC but his rude comments were clearly satirical and not to be taken literally. They were, I understand, a reference to a programme. We are supposed to have freedom of speech in this country. This includes being able to use exaggeration and absurdity.

Where the line though?

PicturesOfDogs · 20/12/2022 18:02

DressedUp · 20/12/2022 17:55

Yes. Its almost like Harry and Meghan are right in everything they’ve been saying.

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I don’t disagree on this point at all.

I wouldn’t say everything they’re saying though, I feel a lot of different issues are being conflated.

I think they’re definitely right about the disgusting media, and that they feel the RF should be more open in condemning it.

I feel like they are wrong for bringing to light conflicting stories about a family racist, casting doubt on the family, without saying who it was.

I think they’re wrong for implying JK only gave evidence because he was working for W, rather than it being because he had absolute proof M was lying in her sworn statement.

I think they’re wrong expecting the taxpayer to pay for their security, and that it was down to them to have thought this through before making a statement and leaving the country.

These are all separate issues as far as I’m concerned and not to be conflated.

On this issue I believe they are one hundred percent correct, and have no problem saying so, and condemning it.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 20/12/2022 18:03

lemmein · 20/12/2022 17:39

And she’s not a clairvoyant - she could hardly take someone to task for something they were going to do a few days later…

It's not the first time JC had been vile about them, he called Harry 'cunt-struck' in September. Not forgetting too that Piers Morgan was at the same event - the same Piers Morgan who has constantly bullied Meghan ever since she dared say no to him.

It really blows my mind that people believe the RF maintain a 'dignified silence' 😅 like fuck they do, they just don't put their names to their words. Who do people believe the 'palace sources' are? 🤦🏻‍♀️

There was 200 people at the event. Should Camilla have name checked in case some slightly dim people on a forum decided attending the same event means she practically invited them to dinner at the palace?

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 20/12/2022 18:05

Sayitagainmyl · 20/12/2022 17:47

There is nothing dignifying about their behaviour. It is indicative of the RF’s complicity in the hateful, racist and misogynistic campaign targeted at the Duchess of Sussex. The palace is doing its best to appease a particular segment of our society (the likes of JC and Piers Morgan who lie in bed fantasying about a married woman 20+ years their junior and in every way out of their league) who have little longevity. I feel this will hasten the RF’s demise – and it couldn’t happen soon enough.

In what way exactly have the TF been complicit in Clarkson’s article

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 20/12/2022 18:05

PicturesOfDogs · 20/12/2022 17:47

This is an absolute shit show for the RF.
No doubt about it.

I think as well this and the Lady Hussey thing are going to make people a lot more sympathetic reading Harry’s book, whereas before it would have been dismissed as whinging.

Interesting times indeed for the RF.

I wasn’t aware Clarkson worked for the royal family

TheWomanTheyCallJayne · 20/12/2022 18:06

SinnerBoy · 20/12/2022 17:03

Reindeersnooker

MPs don't respond to every negative comment in the press but they seem to agree this is different somehow - a new low that needs resisting.

www.theguardian.com/media/2022/dec/20/mps-urge-sun-editor-to-act-against-jeremy-clarkson-over-meghan-comments

"More than 60 cross-party MPs have written to the Sun’s editor, Victoria Newton, to demand an apology and “action taken” against Clarkson for the column where he said Meghan should be paraded through the streets naked."

"In their letter, they said Meghan had received credible threats to her life and that columns such as Clarkson’s contributed to an “unacceptable climate of hatred and violence”."

And people here are still calling her awful and a "proven liar." I'm sure it's because they lap up every article in The Mail and believe every word. Nothing wrong with reading it, but whichever paper you choose, you need to filter what they write.

You could read one in The Guardian and one on the same subject in The Mail and conclude that you were reading about two wholly different incidents.

I believe it is possible to think that someone is a liar without wishing ill on them.
I think she has lied.
I think Jeremy Clarkson should never be allowed in the public eye again and that what he wrote was abhorrent. I think charges should be brought against those threatening her. I don’t think the they are mutually exclusive.
I don’t read the Sun or the Mail as they are vile
I also don’t constantly feel the need to make a bad point about one Prince’s wife to defend another. Why are we playing these women off against each other. The women who marry into the Royal family get treated awfully compared to male rf members. Why are dragging them down to supposedly build another up‽

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 20/12/2022 18:07

bakalava · 20/12/2022 17:51

Did the palace comment directly on the Rose Hanbury rumours which were actually much more damaging to their brand? They were also circulated by another controversial rent-a-gob. If the palace responded to one of those, they would be expected to respond to all of them which wouldn't be realistic.

In the same way in which H and M stans turn a blind eye to the provenance of those rumours, pro K&W stans are not going to be too bothered about these latest rumours. The reality is that it may (also) be an aging guy's sexual fetish spun out of control and H and M do not let commoners even look in their direction when they are doing certain visits according to certain reports.

There is that, that responded causes more people to read the regional article and further scrutiny.

I do follow royal news, always have, but when Harry put out the press release to leave Meghan alone my first thought was “Prince Harry has a girlfriend? Off to Google her!”

PicturesOfDogs · 20/12/2022 18:08

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 20/12/2022 18:05

I wasn’t aware Clarkson worked for the royal family

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He doesn’t of course.

I’m just saying from a PR point of view, these two events have made people more sympathetic to H&M whereas they may have been neutral before.

pelargoniums · 20/12/2022 18:09

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 20/12/2022 17:59

And it was supposedly illegal to attend until Kate went, when all of a sudden Cressida Dick alleged Kate was there in a working capacity.

Its illegal to attend a vigil?

When did Cressida Dick say that?? How would she know - was it a joint effort with the police?

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/royal-family/kate-middleton-sarah-everard-vigil-b1824975.html?amp

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 20/12/2022 18:10

TheWomanTheyCallJayne · 20/12/2022 18:06

I believe it is possible to think that someone is a liar without wishing ill on them.
I think she has lied.
I think Jeremy Clarkson should never be allowed in the public eye again and that what he wrote was abhorrent. I think charges should be brought against those threatening her. I don’t think the they are mutually exclusive.
I don’t read the Sun or the Mail as they are vile
I also don’t constantly feel the need to make a bad point about one Prince’s wife to defend another. Why are we playing these women off against each other. The women who marry into the Royal family get treated awfully compared to male rf members. Why are dragging them down to supposedly build another up‽

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I completely agree with this.

You can dislike Meghan and also find this article abhorrent.

As an aside - WHY is Jeremy Clarkson still relevant?! Why is he in a job? He has a track record of misogynistic comments and he also punched a worker. For bringing him cold food! Women have been ‘cancelled’ for far, far less

Travelbud · 20/12/2022 18:10

ShillyShallySherbet · 20/12/2022 16:32

Don’t agree, they can’t comment on every awful thing written about their family members, that would be an insane amount of work. Just ignore. What he wrote says far more about him and has damaged his reputation far more than Meghan’s I reckon.

Absolutely let him continue 👏

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 20/12/2022 18:11

PicturesOfDogs · 20/12/2022 18:08

He doesn’t of course.

I’m just saying from a PR point of view, these two events have made people more sympathetic to H&M whereas they may have been neutral before.

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Lady Susan incident was absolutely nothing to do with H&M? And it was 100% appropriate that the RF dealt with it. Seeing as she worked for them and it happened on their soil.

They are not responsible for the views of Clarkson.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 20/12/2022 18:13

pelargoniums · 20/12/2022 18:09

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/royal-family/kate-middleton-sarah-everard-vigil-b1824975.html?amp

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I can’t see the article as it’s behind a paywall.

In what capacity was Catherine working? Which groups was she meeting? Was it an engagement? You think it would be tomorrows by the Palace rather than someone with a dodgy background who has absolutely no right to speak on this woman’s behalf

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 20/12/2022 18:14

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 20/12/2022 17:03

On MN, about Meghan you mean?

Yes we’ve had worse. I could link to some live ones right now.

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No, I mean in the press. Actual articles printed in papers etc.

There has been nothing in print via publications that is even anywhere near as vile as this.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 20/12/2022 18:15

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 20/12/2022 18:14

No, I mean in the press. Actual articles printed in papers etc.

There has been nothing in print via publications that is even anywhere near as vile as this.

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Oh I see!

Probably not. Nothing worse springs to mind. Piers Morgan has made a few mealy mouthed rants about her.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 20/12/2022 18:15

Who even buys the sun? It’s always been a vile rag

And yet depressingly it's still has more readers than the rest, which may say a lot about the kind of country this has become

I see no point in a palace statement though; folk with any values at all will see Clarkson for what he is, and why offer him and his filth the kind of attention he so crearly carves?

PicturesOfDogs · 20/12/2022 18:16

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 20/12/2022 18:10

I completely agree with this.

You can dislike Meghan and also find this article abhorrent.

As an aside - WHY is Jeremy Clarkson still relevant?! Why is he in a job? He has a track record of misogynistic comments and he also punched a worker. For bringing him cold food! Women have been ‘cancelled’ for far, far less

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I agree.

It possible to have opinions on H&M, and believe they haven’t behaved well or with any foresight, while also being able to condemn this type of behaviour from JC/the media.

The two aren’t mutually exclusive.

You can have nuanced opinions without being either ‘haterz’ or ‘sugarz’

Haydugee · 20/12/2022 18:17

No, the Royal Family should not start engaging with the raving articles published by the likes of Clarkson.

susan12345678 · 20/12/2022 18:17

Everyone agrees that what Clarkson was vile and beyond contempt - he's been widely condemned.

However, I suspect those hoping to capitalize on the drama, drag innocent bystanders into the dragnet and ramp up the fury will only end up alienating people and harming the cause they are hoping to promote.

Some of the hyperbole makes people sound as deranged as JC

PicturesOfDogs · 20/12/2022 18:18

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 20/12/2022 18:11

Lady Susan incident was absolutely nothing to do with H&M? And it was 100% appropriate that the RF dealt with it. Seeing as she worked for them and it happened on their soil.

They are not responsible for the views of Clarkson.

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Have you been reading social media?

These incidents are absolutely all being connected, and used against the RF atm.

Whether you or I or anyone else believes it’s right, or relevant, the fact is, it’s happening

Its a PR shit storm for them.