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To think the palace should issue a statement condemning Clarkson's comments?

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Reindeersnooker · 20/12/2022 16:01

I'm all for their dignified silence on everything else. I don't trust Harry or Megan. But Jeremy Clarkson's comments are horrific and were made in Britain against a woman who has become a member of their family.

NOT issuing a statement sends out such a hurtful message and indicates that anything can be said about her, for all they care. Even the MPs have managed to put something on paper.

It's clear that Harry will be beyond hurt if they do nothing and this time he'd have a point, IMO. Each comment like this published in the press erodes the boundaries for online trolls. If I was Meghan, I wouldn't feel I could return to the UK as it's clear the normal rules don't apply to her. What will her children think of Britain when they grow up and become aware of these articles? Won't they be likely to wonder how the palace responded? While it makes no sense to try and placate Harry generally, letting this play out without one word of censure to the press seems needlessly provocative.

It wouldn't be difficult to issue a statement saying something to the effect of "We stand against bullying and hate speech..." Two lines to indicate they see it and it's not ok.

Or not?

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antelopevalley · 20/12/2022 20:17

yesitssea · 20/12/2022 20:10

I don't really understand why they would or should. It's not their job to police legal speech.

I think what he said was abhorrent but it was not a police matter at all.

I think it is illegal to talk about someone in that way. I would have reported it to the police.

Roussette · 20/12/2022 20:17

PinkTonic · 20/12/2022 20:13

How many times do you need to be reminded that Camilla was not the host and that in any case the lunch happened before the article? I assume you think that the more times you post untruths the more people who are only skimming the threads will just swallow your crap unquestioningly. It’s a tactic I guess.

Because he did a very long almost as bad article in September. He got away with that one. This one stepped over a line and the rest is history.

She knows what he writes and what he is like. Ditto Piers Morgan.

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 20/12/2022 20:19

antelopevalley · 20/12/2022 20:17

I think it is illegal to talk about someone in that way. I would have reported it to the police.

Misogyny is yet to be classified as hate speech. Presumably because the lawmakers are men, and this would he essentially villifying a large portion of their breed.

Coucous · 20/12/2022 20:21

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LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 20/12/2022 20:22

Roussette · 20/12/2022 20:15

I'm very very glad I'm not in your head. Nasty unpleasant pulling down of two women.

Not once have I said Camilla should hide. I will repeat myself again as you don't read my posts properly. She could have posh lunches every day of the week if she wanted.
This one was an own goal and it has done her no favours.

Can you explain exactly what she’s done wrong? And why she shouldn’t have attended the lunch?

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 20/12/2022 20:22

Roussette · 20/12/2022 20:16

You don't know William, don't be so ridiculous.

He’s said it publicly. HTH.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 20/12/2022 20:23

Roussette · 20/12/2022 20:17

Because he did a very long almost as bad article in September. He got away with that one. This one stepped over a line and the rest is history.

She knows what he writes and what he is like. Ditto Piers Morgan.

Once again - so what? Why should she boycott a lunch where she can avoid them? And in support of a step DIL who’s hardly been respectful to the family herself.

Roussette · 20/12/2022 20:26

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 20/12/2022 20:13

Ph I’m sorry I didn’t realise we HAD to respond to demands of other posters.

What exactly do you want me to say? I acknowledge he did do that. Are you looking for an apology from me or something?

Did I say that? No.

I am saying she knew he was writing vile articles about MM. And you know that's what I meant.

antelopevalley · 20/12/2022 20:27

Coxspurplepippin · 20/12/2022 20:15

antelopevalley, you're ferreting around for articles to 'prove' your point. The first one you linked to stated Ventner hosted the lunch - you just hadn't read far enough down to see it. Why are you prepared to believe the press when you think they confirm your prejudices, but not when they report stories counter to them?

I said clearly that the narrative has changed. Initially it was said Camilla had hosted the lunch. Later it said she hade not. The article posted had been updated later on, but it did not say what changes had been made. The article I posted from earlier said Camilla had hosted the lunch and crucially had not been updated.

Why would the press have lied? The early articles were all crowing saying that Camilla's Royal pulling power meant she could draw in big stars. It was only later when her lunch was criticised that articles started saying - oh she was just another guest. Although not all. Some did stick with the original story.

In terms of guilt by association, I do not think this is about that. What I think was happening was some journalists who are very critical of Meghan and Harry were being rewarded by being invited. I do not think for a minute Clarkson and Morgan are friends of Camilla, unlike Judi Dench who is a friend and was also invited.

That is why people are critical. They can see for themselves how the Royal Family reward journalists who write the kind of things they want them to write. Piers Morgan himself says that Royal Family members have thanked him for writing critical articles about Meghan.

Camilla may not have expected the level of vitriol from Clarkson that he wrote, but I think she was happy to encourage him to write criticisms of Meghan.

Roussette · 20/12/2022 20:27

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 20/12/2022 20:23

Once again - so what? Why should she boycott a lunch where she can avoid them? And in support of a step DIL who’s hardly been respectful to the family herself.

You're happy with that.

I am not. No point in talking about it.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 20/12/2022 20:28

Roussette · 20/12/2022 20:26

Did I say that? No.

I am saying she knew he was writing vile articles about MM. And you know that's what I meant.

And my response is that I don’t believe that’s a reason for her not to attend a lunch with him there. They’d never bloody move if they chose to never be in the company of a critic!

antelopevalley · 20/12/2022 20:28

@LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet You are basically saying so what if Camilla is friendly with Piers Morgan and Clarkson. In that case you will never understand our points.

Coxspurplepippin · 20/12/2022 20:28

Camilla did not host the lunch. HTH.

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 20/12/2022 20:29

antelopevalley · 20/12/2022 20:27

I said clearly that the narrative has changed. Initially it was said Camilla had hosted the lunch. Later it said she hade not. The article posted had been updated later on, but it did not say what changes had been made. The article I posted from earlier said Camilla had hosted the lunch and crucially had not been updated.

Why would the press have lied? The early articles were all crowing saying that Camilla's Royal pulling power meant she could draw in big stars. It was only later when her lunch was criticised that articles started saying - oh she was just another guest. Although not all. Some did stick with the original story.

In terms of guilt by association, I do not think this is about that. What I think was happening was some journalists who are very critical of Meghan and Harry were being rewarded by being invited. I do not think for a minute Clarkson and Morgan are friends of Camilla, unlike Judi Dench who is a friend and was also invited.

That is why people are critical. They can see for themselves how the Royal Family reward journalists who write the kind of things they want them to write. Piers Morgan himself says that Royal Family members have thanked him for writing critical articles about Meghan.

Camilla may not have expected the level of vitriol from Clarkson that he wrote, but I think she was happy to encourage him to write criticisms of Meghan.

There’s enough evidence out there to show Venters hosted the lunch - it just doesn’t suit your insane narrative so you would rather believe some whacko theory that the press changed stories than accept that a man probably did host a lunch that, you know, took place in his restaurant.

Roussette · 20/12/2022 20:32

It's hardly a 'wacko' theory given that every single newspaper initially reported that SHE was holding a posh lunch. I didn't know any different till it was pointed out.

You're talking like Antelope made it up? She didn't.

Forget who held the sodding lunch. She was happy to be there wasn't she?

It's not gone down well that

antelopevalley · 20/12/2022 20:33

What has happened simply shows that Harry and Meghan were telling the truth.

Coxspurplepippin · 20/12/2022 20:35

Again, belief in the press when it suits a certain narrative but not it it doesn't reflect your prejudices.

debbrianna · 20/12/2022 20:36

You can not host an event about domestic violence and not say a thing. This will massively backfire because instead of dying down, it's picking up steam. It's interesting how this is unfolding.

antelopevalley · 20/12/2022 20:38

@Coxspurplepippin As I said all the early articles were promoting Camilla and read as fluff pieces. Why would these early articles say she hosted the lunch if she hadn't?
I could understand lying if they were being critical, but they were not. They were saying look how wonderful Camilla is.

antelopevalley · 20/12/2022 20:39

debbrianna · 20/12/2022 20:36

You can not host an event about domestic violence and not say a thing. This will massively backfire because instead of dying down, it's picking up steam. It's interesting how this is unfolding.

You can. But it shows up even more that her DV work is just PR.

twelly · 20/12/2022 20:41

The palace should not engage or make a comment, a dignified silence is the most appropriate response. Disapproval does not need to be voiced by them and they should not get involved in public, in addition H and M have distanced themselves from the royal family. The media needs to be more professional clearly this needs to be addressed as the press seems to be unable to regulate themselves

antelopevalley · 20/12/2022 20:41

If celebrities are going to champion a cause, they need to be consistent. As soon as there is any dissonance it just makes what they do look like a PR play.

Coxspurplepippin · 20/12/2022 20:41

antelopevalley · 20/12/2022 20:38

@Coxspurplepippin As I said all the early articles were promoting Camilla and read as fluff pieces. Why would these early articles say she hosted the lunch if she hadn't?
I could understand lying if they were being critical, but they were not. They were saying look how wonderful Camilla is.

But you linked to an article on the day of the lunch that stated Ventner hosted. Ventner himself has said it was his party (but you don't believe him Hmm)

Perhaps Camilla sat with Judi Dench and Maggie Smith and spent the whole meal snarking at Morgan and Clarkson a la Dowager Countess Grantham.

antelopevalley · 20/12/2022 20:44

No I posted a front page which talked about Camilla's exclusive party. Another poster linked to the article which had been updated since it was first written and and simply said she attended.
It had been changed.

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