Harry and Megan: changed my mind after episode 5

[Lotzana]

I was never a massive H&M hater but I wasn't keen on how they kept going on about their experiences and being constant victims. Why not just let it go?

However after episode 5 where they explain the events around their decision to leave, I find myself feeling really bad for them and surprised at how different it was to the narrative we were fed in the press.

If it's all true what they say then it's appalling how they were treated and Im not surprised they want to set record straight.

I know many will say it's not all true and they're lying/ exaggerating but I'm not inclined to believe these royal secretaries/ William / Charles are all saints while H&M are the big villains either.

We only see a very polished version of the royals in public and everything is well controlled and orchestrated. Who's to know what it's really like behind the facade?

Yabu - can't stand H&M regardless of what they claim in the documentary

Yanbu - documentary made me rethink my view of them too and question narrative in press

Thank you 😊

@Inspecto i take your point. But I am deeply cynical
about both Meghan and Harry’s sense of justice. DEEPLY cynical.

the LA/Hollywood lifestyle they have chosen demonstrates very little commitment to social justice.

I’m loving the stylists black and white photos of their emotional distraughtness leaving

They lost all my sympathy when they started bleating on about Nottingham Cottage. It's not tiny like a bedsit it's nearly 1400 square foot in central London no rent to pay !!! There's people freezing and using food banks completely tone deaf.
They have millions in the bank, time to enjoy it , stop courting the press and retire from the limelight to enjoy their family.

It looks like Meghan had clipped on to that incident where she does have a case: her letter to her father having been published, and has tried to spin it that everything 'unravelled' from that incident and then their litigation.

So why is Harry publicising details of a private row with his own brother?

It's the same thing.

He really does reveal every detail of the talk between himself and his family members about his departure from working Royal life ....very unusual and momentous for this to happen, and he's surprised he couldn't just have a family chat about it.

So he is actually saying the press and the Royal Family are hand in glove. What?

If Vancouver Island was so peaceful and so 'them', why did they move to the celebrity enclave in California?

'You get us for free', Harry says. He genuinely believes people want to see them - not they should be doing a job.

I don't buy what Harry says that the South Africa abode plan leaked to The Times scuppered it. Why? Lots of plans get leaked, Royal or political, and they still go ahead.
That's it then. That was the event, probably, that likely pushed Meghan and Harry to leave the RF. Probably Meghan didn't want to live in South Africa. Not enough celebrities and chance to monetise their way of life because not near enough to Netflix headquarters, etc.

It's not strange for their official working Royal roles to get in the press. It isn't their private lives - as Harry says.

It's hardly surprising that the Queen was urged not to meet with Harry. She was elderly and he was clearly going to go on and on emotionally about what he wanted. It had to be not dumped on her in a supposed private meeting between grandson and Granny, which was clearly going to be nothing of the kind. He was thinking he could weedle in and use emotional pressure.

That is ridiculous, that commentator, saying Meghan always had to prove that she was good enough for the Royal Family. What a baseless assertion. Why would anyone think it would be different for Cressida Bonas or any other girlfriend. They would attract some comments, but generally it would be welcoming from the public.

I'm sure the RF haven't been living saints. But, goodness me, could H&M not see how dreadfully tone deaf it is for the privileged millionaires to bring out a six episode whinge whilst people all over the country are genuinely suffering with the economic mess, covid fall out, Brexit and all the rest of it?

I actually felt a bit saddened tbh. I look at the
beautiful wedding and then wonder how it all went wrong
I remember seeing Harry and Meghan on their Australian tour and predicting that things would go downhill for them.
The ‘spare ‘and his wife were outshining the heir and his wife and this wasn’t supposed to happen . They have the X factor and the other two don’t, it really is as simple as that.

Harry’s revelations about how the press work wasn’t a complete surprise. I have been saying all along that the RF have made a Faustian Pact with the media .I honestly think it will come back and bite them in the arse.

There will people who will never believe ( or don’t want to believe) what Meghan and Harry are saying because they prefer to hate them. So many of the lies against them were debunked, but people who hate them will continue to lambast them.
I realise after watching that documentary what a loss they are to the Royal Family.
There was this opportunity to modernise the Royal Family and to drag it into the twenty first century, but petty jealousies and the rigidity of tradition prevented this.

They are a lovely couple and I wish them the best of luck

I was really shocked by the clip of Diana with the tennis racket and the pap trying to force himself into the lift with her.

Terrifying.

Except she WAS getting the “fame” inspite of being of lower rank than the other duchess

the piece about Diana saying how crowds were disappointed to see they were on Charles side of the road made a lot of sense.

she caused ripples, Megan caused ripples, that put other peoples noses out of joint

all this talk of H and M being jealous of K and W just doesn’t seem to hold up. There are some photos that have Kate with a very weird look at H&M’s wedding

this is one part of the supposed wisteria sisters, the girls groomed within an inch of their lives to marry ‘well’

if there is jealousy, it’s not where people are trying to place it

I agree but around the episode 5 point I was fully on their side, then Meghan goes and really ups the drama of every situation. I can’t even remember what she said at one point but it did make me think god there are people living on the streets here and she’s whinging about living in a mansion. Also was getting annoyed at her really forcing the ‘H’ nickname, okay cool we get it, he has a nickname. He also doesn’t ever call her Meghan and always calls her ‘my wife’. Overall I do think they’re good people but she just needs to not overdo it.

How Harry (sorry ‘H’) managed to stop himself releasing a statement after they falsely put his name to that statement with William I have no idea! I would of had to say something!

I really really love Kate and I think she’s the entire rest of the royal family’s saving grace, without her I think it would be very easy to believe they’re all the same as the way William was portrayed in that documentary!

Yes that was awful.

Yabu they have become increasingly unreasonable with every episode. Meghan is clearly using her acting skills and Harry is throwing around wild allegations with increasing paranoia. It’s meant to hit your emotions.

Totally agree.

Episode 5 has got a real conspiracy theory feel.

I think Meghan is good at grasping current vogues, and seeking how to tap into them. This conspiracy theory angle taps right into all that Covid suspicion and resonates with how ideas take hold on social media.

She understands how to plant 'a seed' of an idea, as she describes, metaphorically, social media campaigns.

Privacy would do them the best service.

She is now planting seeds of hate towards William - she and Harry. What does she - they - think of that?

Someone on social media has a tweet; she and Harry have 100 million dollars worth of slick production and archive images of the Royal Family to use to vehicle their campaign of diminution against William. Kate was the warm up target....now Harry has been enboldened to fire his criticism directly at his brother.

Ugh! What is with MN today? That was to @EarringsandLipstick that I agreed.

The response I expected

And as we are never allowed to.hear the royals side of things we will only ever hear their biased (naturally) views and will never come close to the truth

They aren't telling their love story, are they? They are taking the main criticisms of them that were chewed over on social media - to their annoyance - and saying: 'It wasn't like that; it was like this...'. So they are just letting the criticism of them, drive their 'love story' narrative, instead of just saying: 'This is us.'

That historian, David Olusoga, doesn't get it. How can he be an historian. He says that Meghan was this 'icon' - joining the Royal Family, but she isn't supposed to be an icon. She is supposed to be their to big up and shine a light on the service and achievements of volunteers.

Is she like people in The Commonwealth? No! Very much not.

Nobody is like Harry and Meghan, except a small handful of ultra rich celebrities, who get a kick from buying 1,600 dollar chair throws and having half a million pounds spent on their baby shower. The person Meghan, is and the way she spends the earnings of her fame, show that she is rarified and one of an elite, with next to no similarity of spirit or outlook with the majority of the billions of citizens of the globe, some of whom the Royal Family represents and seeks to serve, through sincere initiatives directed through the institution of The Commonwealth.

Diverse "How can he be an historian."

he's widely known for topics other than "history of royal politics and perception".

that said, I do understand why it was iconic that a woman of colour married into the family, and why he referred to her as an icon.

A pp said "they trashed the Commonwealth". No, they just mentioned some of the complexities and oddities about it.

I don't hate anyone in real life or on television.

I think Meghan and Harry, in this docuserie, are risking making William a figure of hate and of anger. In a dressed up way, this programme is saying that the Royal Family has been part of the problem of racism, and, if I get it right, that the Royal Family and the press are hand in glove, and they are against Meghan for racist reasons.

For me, the issue behind the Netflix show, is whether Meghan and Harry are being sincere. If they are, then it is there truth, a thing of integrity, whether it is misguided or no. If they are not being sincere, then I want to understand the possible motives for what they are shaping and creating. It could be wanting to rewrite history in an egocentric way. It could be to bring down the House of Windsor to build their own tower on its ruin.

It goes beyond personalities and liking people, when the Royal Family as an institution, and individual members, by implication and by accusations, with no names named, have been accused of racism. It puts the members at risk and risks the survival of the institution.

Of course I'm not just commenting that I don't like Meghan. I'm shocked that the Royal Family is being fired at and rocked in this way. I think the British Constitution creates stability - base on my interpretation of the Chambre Introuvable - etc, in 1830s France, and my interest is a political one.

Meghan can be who she wants and speak how she wants, as far as I'm concerned, as long as she isn't trying to bring down the British Monarchy and send William and Kate into a nervous breakdown.

Why doesn't Catherine and William's mental health matter to Harry and Meghan?

So, I am judging the way in which comments are expressed, and I am seeing a disconnect. Meghan can be extremely fluent and flowing, so it doesn't ring true to me when she labours over her words, as though giving birth to a half formed thought within her consciousness, and ingenuously stating impressions which the interviewer is, only now, drawing out of her, to be painfully faced and clothed in language.

Why would Meghan, who I am never likely to know, have any impact or imprint on any insecurity which I might have? (Not that I think I have any, now.) How can I feel insecure about anything connected to her? The only people who could be in her orbit or impacted by what she does, are other mega celebrities who live a stellar life of unbelievable luxury, wealth and privilege.

I'm shocked what has been happening can really happen to the Royal Family, within my lifetime.

I'm amazed that you don't actually think that Kate has the X Factor.

She is photographed from many different angles and looks beautiful and extremely elegant and statuesque in all of them.

Meghan too is beautiful. Two exceptionally good looking and attractive women. One is getting on with her job, the other is trying to pull down other people. Both have received criticism from different quarters. One is firing back and seeking to sully reputations, the other is preferring to big up the work of volunteers.

They were treated awfully by the RF and the media. All with the underlying issue of race at the core of it.

I'm glad they left and that they have been able to tell their truth, not silenced anymore.

Meghan couldn't win. Her and Harry being so popular on their tours didn't go down well...just like when Diana was popular. It takes away from those closer in line to the throne. They feel threatened, so they had to pull her down.