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Harry and Megan: changed my mind after episode 5

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Lotzana · 15/12/2022 20:11

I was never a massive H&M hater but I wasn't keen on how they kept going on about their experiences and being constant victims. Why not just let it go?

However after episode 5 where they explain the events around their decision to leave, I find myself feeling really bad for them and surprised at how different it was to the narrative we were fed in the press.

If it's all true what they say then it's appalling how they were treated and Im not surprised they want to set record straight.

I know many will say it's not all true and they're lying/ exaggerating but I'm not inclined to believe these royal secretaries/ William / Charles are all saints while H&M are the big villains either.

We only see a very polished version of the royals in public and everything is well controlled and orchestrated. Who's to know what it's really like behind the facade?

Yabu - can't stand H&M regardless of what they claim in the documentary

Yanbu - documentary made me rethink my view of them too and question narrative in press

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EarringsandLipstick · 15/12/2022 22:15

It’s not a documentary. It’s a puff piece - it is what it is, but documentary implies at least a degree of balance.

Exactly.

EarringsandLipstick · 15/12/2022 22:16

SparklingXmas · 15/12/2022 22:15

Yanbu - documentary made me rethink my view of them too and question narrative in press

God help you if iou needed this 'documentary' (or any other programme) to help you question the narrative in the media.

Rowthe · 15/12/2022 22:17

EmmaAgain22 · 15/12/2022 22:11

I thought Meghan would be bright enough to get the final sign off surely?

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It's the sort of thing that comes out years afterwards. You dont realise the impact straight away.

So maybe in 10 years or more when everything has settled down they will regret doing this.

BellePeppa · 15/12/2022 22:25

LlareggubTripAdviser · 15/12/2022 20:16

My feeling...

Fairly well known name in Hollywood wakes up to the realisation that she would never be No 1 and would have to defer to her Bil/Sil... did a massive flounce and has sought reasons to justify it...

End of.

This in a nutshell.

OliverBabish · 15/12/2022 22:26

Fancy labelling someone as mentally unwell because you don’t agree with what they’re saying or doing. Blimey. Some of you lot should get on the palace payroll - who knows, you might do a better job…

SparklingXmas · 15/12/2022 22:26

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SparklingXmas · 15/12/2022 22:28

EarringsandLipstick · 15/12/2022 22:16

God help you if iou needed this 'documentary' (or any other programme) to help you question the narrative in the media.

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don’t be nasty.

Sittingonabench · 15/12/2022 22:28

I agree - the series definitely made me more sympathetic to what they went through and did align with what I remember from the press. My opinion of them has improved - so maybe they will get what they need from this… a bit of validation and feeling their side of the story has been put across.

Logicalreasoning · 15/12/2022 22:29

im not a H/M fan but I’m also not a royalist. What gets on my nerves is people are so quick to discredit them because they are pure royalists, refuse to hear anything bad about the royals. No one knows the truth other than them and the people supposedly involved. If it is true what they are saying, and I think there is some truth behind it, especially the racism accusations.then they can live easy knowing they told the truth. I’ve always thought will was an brown noser, Kate was literally everything they’d 2ant for wills so when Meghan, who’s not that type of person, was put in the fold. I defo think it ruffled a few feathers.

EarringsandLipstick · 15/12/2022 22:31

@SparklingXmas

I'm honestly not trying to be.

But surely it's utterly obvious that the media (of all kinds) has a bias & particular direction to their narrative?

Saying you've only realised that now after this (poorly made) programme is a bit worrying.

justasking111 · 15/12/2022 22:31

Ashard20 · 15/12/2022 20:34

I think that the most compelling thing in this series is the blatant bias of the newspapers. Without doubt they have steered the whole thing. I don't know who said or did what with any certainty, with regards to M and H and the RF, but I do know that, as a nation, we should be ashamed of the shameless lies and sensationalism fed to us by the gutter press. Just appalling.

The press want to make money. So they print the muck. Weirdly not when it concerns some people they are silent. Savile being one that springs to mind

hamstersarse · 15/12/2022 22:32

I liked them having watched up to do 6

I think she’s actually a bit of a geek and I’m not surprised it was hideous for her. People were, and still are, fucking awful to her

Diverseopinions · 15/12/2022 22:33

I can't stand the way she does that false pausing when she is saying something, even very simple, like 'Growing up, I always WANTED.......a BIG.... family', to replicate thinking hard and sincerely, configuring her feelings, like she hasn't thought it all through, what's she's going to say ( act).

LemonSwan · 15/12/2022 22:35

Yes has made me view them more favourably than before definitely, and I really wasn’t a fan.

But from conversations I have had with people since this was released; who were previously not that fussed by them except a few eye rolls and saying the Oprah interview was a step to far; quite a few of them are vehemently anti more than ever.

They have become very divisive in a kind of taboo way. If your having a convo with someone and you don’t like them and the other person starts going on about the racism aspect your just going to nod and try to skirt round. Even if you like them or have changed view your not going to start spouting about it as you don’t want to put your foot in it with someone who really doesn’t like them.

They really need to stop requiring the validation of others in order to be happy. Because it’s not easy to predict. Oprah was one step forward, two steps back. This doc is likely two steps forward, one back. What’s Harry’s book going to be. They are just going round in circles IMO

Roussette · 15/12/2022 22:36

Diverseopinions · 15/12/2022 22:33

I can't stand the way she does that false pausing when she is saying something, even very simple, like 'Growing up, I always WANTED.......a BIG.... family', to replicate thinking hard and sincerely, configuring her feelings, like she hasn't thought it all through, what's she's going to say ( act).

So? We all speak in unique ways, with different inflections, accents and voices. Is this a reason to dislike her? If so, it sounds petty.

EarringsandLipstick · 15/12/2022 22:36

Diverseopinions · 15/12/2022 22:33

I can't stand the way she does that false pausing when she is saying something, even very simple, like 'Growing up, I always WANTED.......a BIG.... family', to replicate thinking hard and sincerely, configuring her feelings, like she hasn't thought it all through, what's she's going to say ( act).

Yes! She's so obvious about it.

I have to say, she is utterly stunning. Really beautiful.

hamstersarse · 15/12/2022 22:36

Diverseopinions · 15/12/2022 22:33

I can't stand the way she does that false pausing when she is saying something, even very simple, like 'Growing up, I always WANTED.......a BIG.... family', to replicate thinking hard and sincerely, configuring her feelings, like she hasn't thought it all through, what's she's going to say ( act).

I don’t understand this level of hatred for something so minor

Do you hate people so vigorously in rl if you don’t like their pattern of speech?
Would you even comment on it?

Meghan seems to be some sort of dumping ground for peoples neuroses and insecurities

EarringsandLipstick · 15/12/2022 22:38

Is this a reason to dislike her?

The poster didn't actually say they disliked her. She clearly said she couldn't stand that particular action

That what we all are doing here, giving opinions on what we've seen on the programme!

Jazamataz · 15/12/2022 22:38

I found it odd, I had no opinion either way of them to begin with. I think it’s clear they were treated badly by the media and it took its toll on them. But I think they were perhaps naive and lacked any resilience. Any bad story or pap was too much for them to bare, so it was the right decision to get out of the limelight. Bit weird that they keep trying to get back in it though.
He struck me as someone who’s got deep routed mental health issues, relating to the press and his mother and the trauma of all of that, and has almost put Meg on a pedestal of being just like his mum. And she does strike me as a bit insincere, and insecure. I hope they find their happiness.

EarringsandLipstick · 15/12/2022 22:39

@hamstersarse

Again, nowhere in that post does it say 'hate' or anything directed at M herself. It's about a particular behaviour.

starfro · 15/12/2022 22:41

In her quest for fame and fortune, she didn't actually stop to think about what her role would involve. Being the wife of the spare might not be like a Disney film, but living in a massive mansion and getting tens of millions for doing a few interviews is something most people would tolerate without fuss.

Did the press invent a Kate vs Meghan rift story to sell papers? Quite probably, but that's part of the role, and in return you get a life of luxury.

Most people have had some sort of hardship in their lives. They tend not to get a 7 figure sum for talking about it.

Inspecto · 15/12/2022 22:43

Wanderingoff · 15/12/2022 22:13

They’re talking a lot about how Much they want to support the commonwealth in episode 5. Didn’t they totally trash the commonwealth in an earlier episode.

i do understand it wouls be upsetting to have u fair newspaper articles. But what I find it interesting is that they didn’t decide to just not care.

“But what I find it interesting is that they didn’t decide to just not care.”

People with a strong sense of justice usually care about such things because they realise it’s not just about their own experience of unfairness but how the injustice becomes commonplace. It’s harder to tackle unfairness if it becomes commonplace and accepted.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing.

Roussette · 15/12/2022 22:44

Inspecto Just got to say... I always take note of your posts because they are measured and good

MandarinCat · 15/12/2022 22:46

Yanbu, although I never disliked them in the first place.

Xenia · 15/12/2022 22:46

I've watched it all with an open mind. I am glad they seem to be happy now in the USA. Parts of it were quite hard to watch as clearly they rich, privileged and yet moan all the time. I didn't feel some of the reporting was particularly fair on King Charles or Prince William and I hope they never comment on it as it is best to keep out of it.
The programme chose to leave out key facts- MM first marriage, the contractual side to the deal with Prince Harry left and a lot of other things, but it was certainly interesting to watch and I wish them both well.
For some reason I didn't like some of her girl friends but that might just be a bit UK/US cultural difference.

I feel sorriest of all for how her poor father has been left hung out to dry. No matter what she thinks he has done he does not deserve that. They should make sure both grandfathers see both children twice a year. It is the decent thing to do.

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