Harry, Meghan and Netflix too

[CathyorClaire]

Last thread has filled up so I thought I'd create another to chat trailers and teasers while we hang about waiting for better more truth bombs to drop in the main event.

'Nobody is stopping anyone from having an opinion but if you haven't seen the programme, it's an uniformed opinion, which seems a bit pointless.'

It has practically been serialised in all the papers and on the news.

We really don't need to sit through 6hrs of their photos, non stop very personal footage and sad faces to get the gist.

No, don't! I'm not the thread police or anything 😊. I was just making a general point about making big opinionated statements on the documentary based on clips that don't have the full context.

Like many I have seen various clips, the trailers etc

Let's face it, why would anyone sit through 6 hours of it? You must either be a fan or one of the 'haterz' so disliked by fans.

I didn't sit through Andrew's interview with Emily M either, but read the summaries from a range of sources and thought 'dodgy as f**k'

I don't watch all of PMQ either, but read the highlights (from different sources) and form an opinion.

Fair enough. I don't really do that - I tend to be noncommittal unless I've had a chance to really look into things. You miss a lot otherwise IMO.

Really? You don't form an opinion on anything unless you have heard from all sides of issue for as long as they choose to talk?

I can't be horrible about the Beckhams. My kids did a charity things, year ago when they were actually children, and the Beckhams were lovely and gave generously.

I'm guessing that's before he branded the honours committe 'unappreciative c*nts?'

Or managed to book BP with the help of the conniving Yorks for his daughter's princess party?

How do you decide what to have for dinner each night? 😂

And before it was revealed he billed UNICEF for expenses he didn't incur. And he spent the minimum time with the kids he could,whereas other stars who went, stayed the day and returned the next day because it meant so much to the children. And he and his manager discussed that doing this minimal charity would be good for business so he could earn more.
Yeah, he's such a lovely guy. 🤮

No idea but they were absolutely lovely, incredibly generous and yes I know they have the money but believe me other celebrities didn't respond and no one came near to what they did. I speak as I find and I found them and her parents to be kind, friendly and generous. I can't say anything different.

I'm talking about my experience. If that doesn't suit you I apologise but I'm not going to lie about it.

Is that what I said?

The reality is, none of us are perfect, or terrible. The Beckhams, H&M, W&K.

The difficulty I have with H&M's claims is that they were pure and innocent, and everyone conspired against them.

I was just making a general point about making big opinionated statements on the documentary based on clips that don't have the full context.

I haven't seen all of it yet (I will) but I've read the juicy bits neatly summarised for me and can't see any glaring amibiguity so far.

I won't be reading the book until it's 50p in the charity shop but I'm anticipating the best bits will be aired in much the same way and fully intend to comment on them in due course 😎

The personal attacks and unfriendly nitpicking is really spoiling this thread.

Tbh I'm a bit "meh" about who was invited to their wedding.

As a royal event I'm sure there were loads of people there H&M didn't know personally and I'm sure that was true of W&C as well.

The celebrities like the Clooney's added a bit of extra glamour to the event and it made good viewing for a wider audience outside the U.K. which was good for British PR - which frankly is what the RF is all about.

As for who from M's family wasn't invited, well I've read enough "your day, your guest list" posts on wedding threads to feel she was entitled to invite/not invite who she wanted.

In a similar vein I've never understood the stick she got when Archie was born. Frankly I'm pleased she stuck two fingers up at the stupid convention of announcing labour and a photo outside the hospital less than 24 hours after giving birth - instead agreeing to a photo when and where she felt most comfortable.

As I've said before I think the OW interview, this series and the book will backfire on them in the long term and in general I think they've made poor/naïve choices in how they've forged a new path.

Doesn't mean I hate them, nor that I wish them ill.

Equally I don't think people who put themselves in the public eye, especially when they are monetising their position in relation to a taxpayer funded institution should be beyond criticism.

Tbh I find people on these threads polarised on one side or the other a bit baffling given I find it perfectly easy to say I liked the work they did with World Kitchen but find their constant presentation of privileged victimhood (especially given the current economic circumstances) pretty nauseating.

I wouldn't expect you lie about anything. My experience has been different from yours, that's all. I don't think either of us need to apologise to the other. (Even if yours did lack a bit of sincerity. 😉 😁)

If it wasn't for Meghan's hilarious grandiosity the full reality show would be too tedious to endure. There's something a bit Dunning-Kruger about her: in her mind she's up there with the Obamas and Nobel prize winners, but she's actually operating on the level of an ex-Hollyoaks actor, knocking around the celeb TV talents shows. I want her to run for political office. Harry's already got that Denis Thatcher bumbling old soak vibe down to a T.

@BreadInCaptivity I wish more MNers posted in a measured and thoughtful way like you. Because then there could be proper discussion. I agree with lots you say, because your post is reasonable. Unlike some who just dream up new insults to hurl at them.

Harry has the Denis Thatcher bumbling old soak down to a T?

As a royal event I'm sure there were loads of people there H&M didn't know personally and I'm sure that was true of W&C as well.

Apparently when William and Kate's wedding list was drawn up, he went to see HM and basically said 'we don't know anyone on there'. She told him to tear up the list, and make a list of who he and Kate wanted to invite, so they did. As a direct heir to the throne, I'm sure they had to invite certain people, but they had a pretty free hand.

I think the thing that jarred with Harry and Meghan's wedding was that the Clooneys et al were seated where the Bride's family would normally be, inferring that they were important guests, when infact they barely knew the bride and groom.

Excellent post. I agree especially with this part:

“Equally I don't think people who put themselves in the public eye, especially when they are monetising their position in relation to a taxpayer funded institution should be beyond criticism”

and would add especially when they have repeatedly continued to criticise that institution on a global platform whilst under that institutions branding (titles).

As you say their privileged victimhood stuck narrative is jarring and will continue to backfire on them.

I don’t understand why they cannot be grateful for what they actually have. They clearly love each other, have 2 beautiful children & live in California. Enjoy what you have.

They have also fallen out with both families. Is the problem the families or you?

And families argue, siblings argue. There is no news in that but don’t complain to all & sundry in public about. It cannot be doing any of the families mental health any good.

And just because someone is critical of the Sussexes actions it doesn’t make them a hater.

I think with any State occasion there are people who are invited for the position they fulfil. That's how they can be planned in advance - e.g. the Lord Mayor of London will be invited and seated in such and such a position. Whoever happens to be the Lord Mayor when the event takes place is slotted in.

Then there are the people invited in their personal capacity, because of their individual relationship with the principal(s). So at the Queens funeral the majority of people attending did in their official capacity. But there was also space for those with a personal relationship that outweighed their offical position.

The odd aspect of H&M's wedding is that the spaces for people with the personal relationship were filled, in many cases, by people who did not have a personal relationship. Nor an official position. But yes, added to the glamour! Which is presumably why they were invited, glamour over substance.

There's a funny article in the Times today about spoof things famous people have said throughout the year. Meghan and Harry feature in a few, but this made me laugh and in a way sums up the situation. It's Kate, after the Meghan interview for New York magazine -

Kate : 'I actually remember calling Meghan about the interview too.

'We're healing" she said to me. Doing yoga. Drinking cocktails with celebrities. Barefoot on the beach at sunset".

Oops, posted too soon!

The rest

Kate -

'Today I need to open a leisure centre in Rotherham.' I told her.

"You're so lucky" she said.