Harry, Meghan and Netflix too

[CathyorClaire]

Last thread has filled up so I thought I'd create another to chat trailers and teasers while we hang about waiting for better more truth bombs to drop in the main event.

Haters? Great sound bite, but actually I don't hate them. Just believe in some sort of objective truth, as well as recognising that we all have emotional triggers that make it difficult to be objective.

It seems that H&M's supporters rely on accusations of 'hate, 'obsession' and 'vitriol' to counter anyone who questions their contradictions and inconsistencies

@Roussette

so having watched it, did they show the kids or are you still refuting that one.

So you were expecting every single A lister to be in their documentary? They went for close friends, of which many spoke up for them.

Where was her BFF Jessica Mulroney who was right up front at the wedding? She spoke up for Meghan after the OW interview and Meghan sent her flowers to thank her.

Are they on the outs now?

It's a great way of deflecting questions ' I won't answer any questions unless you spend 6 hours of you watching their puff piece'.

half an hour, maybe I would. But SIX hours?! You can't question any aspect of their various claims unless you spend SIX hours of watching an extended PR piece first?

That's weird. Surely you can easily defend them from us 'haters'?

I don’t think it is necessarily a poor criticism to question why some of the bigger names they are associated with (or friendly enough to come to the wedding) haven’t voiced their support in public

Sounds reasonable to me; after all they didn't even have to approach Netflix - just a few supportive comments online would have been noticed, and that's before we get to some of their major events where H&M didn't show up

As you suggest, it's hard not to wonder if the high profilers are thinking of their own reputations and credibility before wading in

Sigh. You want to know about who spoke for them. Well... here you go.

Here is a list of those who spoke up for them in the doc. There's 32 of them to wade through but why you couldn't look for this yourself god alone knows. Am I getting paid for providing you with information you could find out for yourself??? 😂

people.com/royals/meghan-markle-prince-harry-netflix-show-who-is-who-guide-friends-commentators/

I do apologise for not providing the ratio of wedding guests to supporters, perhaps you could now take over the research lol

Where was her BFF Jessica Mulroney who was right up front at the wedding?

I don't know, Marsha, but wonder if the row Jessica got embroiled in with the black influencer Sasha Exeter had anything to do with this?

I'm not familiar with the rights and wrongs there, but note that Jessica issued a full apology for whatever her part in it was - which is notably a damned sight more than Harry has ever done

To be honest rousette I didn’t expect you to provide a list or carry out research.

I’m not a hater. Just an observer. I don’t care for the ‘camps’ and the utter bitching that happens when some make a comment and it is countered with a nasty remark about the ‘other side’ to redress the balance.

I don’t see why negative observations immediately put people on the haters camp and I’m sure a few on here, me included, resent that a bit.

The only one I’ve heard of on your list is Serena. I just commented that it is pretty poor that the big names haven’t chirped up. And although it might be total ignorance on my part, I genuinely haven’t seen the big boys rallying for them.

And that is poor when they were all up for trotting many miles to Windsor to bask in the glory.

Happy enough for public recognition then for rubbing shoulders with H&M and the family and making sure everyone knew about their ‘connection’ then.

It seems pretty poor to me that some ‘friends’ just want the glory days and don’t want to stand by them (out in the open air) when things aren’t as shiny.

Thanks @ArcaneWireless I appreciate and understand your post.

I get what you're saying in that why haven't the 'big names' spoken out but I can sort of imagine why they haven't.

There has not been such a divisive couple or such royal scandal since Charles and Di, (not forgetting Andrew of course) and I think to speak out if you are in a prominent position immediately puts you on a 'side'. There are some famous people who admire the RF undoubtedly (like the Obamas for instance) but who may also have sympathy with H&M. How do you juggle that, how can you speak out in favour of one, even if it is just in a fairly neutral way, because it will always look like a criticism of the other when it actually isn't. It's just sympathy for an ongoing situation.

(Before I get jumped on again, I have no idea if the Obamas have sympathy for them, I am just using them as an example. )

Aye rousette

I can understand why bets are being hedged/a foot kept in each camp but I think it is poor.

They didn’t flock for anyone else’s wedding. They went to the H&M wedding. Unless it was all for show, you would think there was more to their invite - like a genuine connection/association/friendship.

In my fairly unimportant opinion, I don’t think the silence is about showing sides so much as gauging public perception first and not be wanting left on the not so shiny side of the fence if things go awry.

It isn’t really about sides. More that they don’t damage their brand by association.

And that is shite behaviour from folk they might have thought of as friends.

If I were H&M, I’d be remembering that.

@ArcaneWireless

i think someone referred to these relationships as ‘transactional’

They’re brave to go live in Hollywood, I could never manage it

Yes, I remember that. Ab influencer felt JM didn't support the,BLM movement enough. I don't believe MM defended her friend. But that was in 2020. In 2021 MM sent flowers to JM for defending her after the OW interview. So you'd think they'd be friends. Surely MM would not drop her best friend over an influencer spat!

ohnevermind

Transactional? That about sums it up.

You’d need hide like a rhino and a heart in a lead tomb to be able to make your way through life that way.

I sure as shite couldn’t live my life that way either.

I agree. It's a mucky business.
On this... "I don’t think the silence is about showing sides so much as gauging public perception first and not be wanting left on the not so shiny side of the fence if things go awry"
It's each man for himself isn't it....

The Tyler Perry friendship has endured, as he is godparent to one of the children (can't remember which) and he did step up when it mattered.

My husband's best friend married an American woman from the South. She really did sound like something out of Gone With the Wind. DH felt she was very false and all the southern sweet talk wasn't genuine. They've been married 40 years, DH eventually had a revelation and said she is really as sweet and kind as she seems, nothing false about her.

I think it can be hard to judge, there is a gulf not just between UK and US but also within the US as it is a big country and people from say Boston may come across quite differently to someone from Atlanta or Texas or LA.

I always felt that was more significant with MM than the racism but I might be too influenced by DH and his friends wife.

My husband's best friend married an American woman from the South. She really did sound like something out of Gone With the Wind. DH felt she was very false and all the southern sweet talk wasn't genuine. They've been married 40 years, DH eventually had a revelation and said she is really as sweet and kind as she seems, nothing false about her.

This is what I feel about Meghan, basically. I watched Suits and was vaguely aware of her from that - not the Tig or anything but I remember thinking she was very pretty (as were the rest of the cast). Then she did the engagement interview and I was a bit ambivalent and thought she came across as slightly sugary and false, but the more I hear her speak the more I think she's actually a genuine and nice person. Just very American! Anyway I've never understood all the dislike.

The Tyler Perry friendship has endured, as he is godparent to one of the children (can't remember which) and he did step up when it mattered.

I'm now a fan of Tyler Perry - what a mensch. The conversation Meghan described where she was in tears, he was so kind and really came to the rescue there. Whether it was as dangerous as they felt at the time I don't know, but I can understand how they must have felt.

Again, my not so important opinion.

I think they were right to say their piece but it really should have stopped at the OW interview.

I also don’t agree with vague accusations or blanket mudslinging if you will. Say your truth. Not sweeping statements.

That is unfair on those who are swept up in things that they aren’t guilty of but the waft will remain.

I understand they feel maligned but
I still think that the series/book may well do then far more harm than the family/institution ever could. The Press will always press.

I think they have misjudged this and aye, some recollections do seem to vary. I’m trying to be fair because I don’t agree with this latest thing at all. that doesn’t mean I dislike them. I just don’t care for this.

They had the world at their feet and going down this road is only serving to trample on it.

Retreat. Live well. Do good. Be as happy as you can. They do have a major chance at happiness. They should concentrate on the future.

Holding on to unhappiness, injustice or bitterness does rot your soul. Been there. Still clawing myself out and am getting there.

And I do think letting go will be the difference between surviving and thriving.

I suspect the 'big names' aren't speaking out because they're not stupid. They weren't there, they haven't seen anything so have nothing to say but a lot to lose. Whereas nobody's heard of the ones who have spoken out. But what have they spoken out about? Nothing! They also weren't there and haven't seen anything, so all they can do is blindly repeat Harry and Meghan's version of events. They're being used and they can't even see it.

That's interesting. I know two couples from the Deep South, Texas. And as you say... you cannot quite get that they could be this nice (because we are soooo different) but they are! One couple in particular, I have got a lot of time for when we connect (now online), and they are the sweetest couple, everything is nice about them apart from his gun armoury which we don't talk about They keep saying they are coming over to see us.. can't imagine how that will pan out, we're poles apart!

Re friends supporting M&H it seems clear that Meghan has plenty of loyal friends. Harry has lost most of his.

This is an excellent point. I too am puzzled by the insistence that nobody can form their own opinion unless they first knuckle down to watch 6 hours of Sussex PR, and how this is supposed to provide viewers with a true and imperial view. After all, recollections may vary.

Impartial, not imperial!

I suppose I’d also need to sign up to Netflix before doing my 6 hours of Sussex homework before I’m allowed an opinion. Who made this rule? Will there be a test?

AFAIK the Beckhams went to both H and Ms wedding and Will and Kates.
No idea whether they have commented either way ,(I guess if he's still angling for a knighthood, they probably don't want to get involved!) I'm pretty sure they weren't in the Netflix series