Harry, Meghan and Netflix too

[CathyorClaire]

Last thread has filled up so I thought I'd create another to chat trailers and teasers while we hang about waiting for better more truth bombs to drop in the main event.

And how does Harry know what “the general public” think?

Meghan dropped into self-pitying mode and many found that distasteful and tone deaf of her. As someone who has years of media experience, she of all people should be more aware.

I haven't seen the eps yet but have read about the content. Did they ever mention if Canada was consulted in their whole half in half out? Were they just going to move there and offer their services as half working royals? Surely thats empire 2.0 just showing up in a country and being like we're your royals, you didn't invite us but we're here.

I knew the narrative would be that they did it better than anyone before. I don't recall their trip to Australia being any more successful than anyone elses.

Also, sorry if this brings the mental health mourners out in an attack of the vapors but I think there was about as much chance of Meghan killing herself as giving her Netflix fee to charity

I hope you never ever have course to deal with someone with suicidal thoughts.

Just finished watching.

I think Harry and Meghan have taken a lot of shit over recent times, with the racism, lies and leaks. They look very happy together and very relieved to be out of it. I think most people would be relieved to be out of the Royal Family really. I’m sure they’ve got good things ahead for them.

I also think after the initial drama around this programme, the Royals will carry on as before, unfortunately, as much as I’d like to see an end to the monarchy.

The world will keep turning and our lives will be unchanged by any of them.

It is in response to your comment about Harry and Meghan being silly to think they could usurp the line of succession.

HTH

Designed by Sir Christopher Wren it wasn't meant to be palatial and the ceilings were of the era.

'Prince William, Duke of Cambridge, and Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge used Nottingham Cottage as their London residence after their marriage from 2011 to 2013, splitting their time between the cottage and their home on the Bodorgan Estate in Wales.[10] The cottage was redecorated for the couple by interior designer Kelly Hoppen.[10] The Duke and Duchess lived there with their infant son Prince George after his birth, before moving in October 2013 to Apartment 1A in Kensington Palace.[3]
Prince Harry moved into Nottingham Cottage from Clarence House following his brother's departure, with the house referred to as his "bachelor pad" after leaving the army.[3][11][12][13] Harry proposed to Meghan Markle whilst roasting a chicken in the home; they subsequently resided together in the cottage following their engagement.[3][14] In April 2019, the couple moved to Frogmore Cottage before the birth of their first child.[15][16]'

Wikipedia. With a different view of the proposal?

But the Cambridges managed there with a baby for a while.

I know you are a big supporter of H&M so do you think all this is good for their mental health? Isn't it time for Harry to enjoy his new life and move on. Maybe have some relationship with family because it is hard to completely cut off family, I have some experience of that with a very toxic late MIL, my DH was often hurt by her behaviour but he could never quite cut the cord so he had strict boundaries so protect himself but to also be able to have some relationship with her.

I have sons similar in age to H &W and I think the whole thing has become a real tragedy and I don't think taking sides is the answer. It is so sad that their mother isn't there to talk some sense to them.

Harsh but..............

However I will take issue with you re becoming a Hollywood star.
That could have happened.
She has a Julia Roberts vibe with that gorgeous smile.
She is also very very photogenic.
Some of the shots are iconic - walking in the rain with Harry carrying an umbrella, in a beautiful blue dress.
Some of her wedding photo close ups are stunning too.

Horrible post.

A part of me used to think Meghan might have been naive about the whole situation. But thinking the “are you okay” part of the Tom Bradby interview wouldn’t make it to cut is just not believable to me. She’s a seasoned actress and self promoter (meant in the most positive of terms), she knows how the business works and if you drop something juicy it’s going to be made public for all to see. I’m very cynical about it all now.

I disagree.

I think in M, H found the person that shared his ambitions/vision.

There's a lot of talk about what M got from H, but what he got was a woman who not only was onboard with living a different life, but the experience/balls and connections in the US to actually do it.

I think tbh that what we are seeing has always been the "real" Harry and that the Palace on the whole did a pretty good job of shielding him from his own excesses wrt the public.

I really don't buy this "poor manipulated Harry" narrative that points solely at M.

I very much see them as a team with a shared agenda and frankly that's no bad thing because having burned so many bridges they sure as hell need each other.

She had help. Lady Susan Hussey (!) was assigned to her. Other courtiers helped. There was a document with all the info. Unlike Diana she was guided.

The person before was William! Apparently had to duck a lot!

However I will take issue with you re becoming a Hollywood star.
That could have happened.

How ridiculous, she tried and tried to make it happen since she was knee high as she was born into the Industry. But it never happened while she was the right age for leading actress parts. There is nothing hypothetical about it.

'Could haves' don't count, though, do they? We could all have been a Julia Roberts - but there is a reason why Julie Roberts is a Julia Roberts and M is an M.

I think it was the classic thing that, for a time, she was the young glamorous one who the papers loved, particularly when she gave them the Townshend headlines and subsequently when she married Lord Snowdon. But these things are always a cycle, as @Mumsnut says. By the time she was drifting about with Roddy Llewellyn she was regularly depicted as just another lazy freeloader. The same was on the way to happening to Diana till her death turned the process on its head and made her a saint. The cycle often goes the other way - for a long time the press really didn't like Princess Anne till they noticed that actually she mostly just gets her head down and works her socks off. Ultimately, so far as the Queen was concerned, she was always going to win out in the popularity stakes just by sticking to what she viewed as her absolute duty to serve.

Harry deludes himself in thinking that he was ever more popular than William. I think they were at one time fairly equal in that respect, with William going ahead when he got engaged and was doing air-sea rescue etc, and Harry ahead when he was in the army. However, it is significant that Harry dented his image quite badly with the drunken parties and the Nazi costume, and William avoided that sort of stupidity. He's sunk all his chances now.

'Because their plans were leaked by the Sun, via Dan Wootton/Knauf I believe

They had no choice'

They had plenty of choice. They could have not released anything until they'd spoken to Harry's family to see what was possible. Without confirmation or denial where were the Sun going to go with it? And would it have mattered anyway?

To have a public proclamation made by Harry and Meghan of what they were going to do with no consultation with anyone else was bound to cause issues, especially the half in half out bit. They went off half cocked and there were consequences.

Wish there was a Like button on here

Well you only need to look at MN to see some of the vile things said about William. I wonder if people stop and think these are all real people with feelings, how you anyone on here feel if someone started an online rumour about their husband's affair and his sexual preferences not to mention Prince George who is getting to an age where he might hear these things at school.

Harry and William must both know how that would feel for George as it was done to them.

What? Have I missed something? Is this sarcasm?

@MaulPerton
I could never be a Julia Roberts.
Unless I got a face transplant 😀

I never said they did.

i just agreed with your post about it being silly to think they could be king and Queen.

as I said.

please don’t try to bully me.

*Because their plans were leaked by the Sun, via Dan Wootton/Knauf I believe

They had no choice*

@Roussette I disagree.

They absolutely still had a choice in issuing that manifesto.

They could have said some like discussions are ongoing about how we navigate our future role and a statement will be made in due course.

As for Knauf leaking this - that makes no sense. The palace wouldn't want that information out there until a deal was done.

they're hoping that if they mention the same things as Diana did and constantly compare Megan to Diana, then the message will sublimely sink in to the minds of the public that Megan is Diana and that she would now be dead if Harry hadn't removed them all

If it is actually the case that Harry is reliving and re-enacting his mother's life (the Oedipal Diana complex theory), and Meghan is the woman he met who finally agreed to fulfil that role because it fulfils needs of her own, then I think that's extremely worrying - because how does their story end?

I think they do love each other, btw. But Harry's craving for 'Diana' means they are worryingly locked into a narrative that has tragedy written all over it. They don't get each other the help they need because they so locked into their roles. That would be the theory, at any rate.

I really don't like the direction in which this is heading. I know the RF will be pissed off but they should be very worried about them as well.