The curtsy/curtsey

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Apologies if other threads on this, I haven’t noticed specifically about this.
Just watcher the H&M documentary (I’m a little behind)
What were your thoughts on the scene where Meghan describes the curtsey? I just found it uncomfortable watching Harry’s face, was she taking the piss?
Ive no opinion on them either way tbh, but must admit I’m interested in the relationship between them. He always looks so desperate to please/prove he’s doing things right…is this just love for her? Is there something off or am I reading too much into it?

I agree @tabulahrasa . I'm not a royalist but I feel disappointed by how it's all worked out and I feel H is partially responsible for not making sure he briefed his future wife which would have allowed them to make informed decisions about how to approach things. It may still have gone wrong but everything I hear or read about shows him in a really poor light.

Wasn’t it his responsibility that should read!

he obviously thought it was woman’s work.

There's something really funny about a grown-ass woman dating the grandson of the Queen who tells us she is surprised by the formality, or didn't think it would apply to her.
She was mocking the tradition/customs/hierarchy and I bet she wasn't quite so cocky in front of Her Maj.
It seemed to me that H was a little uncomfortable but he took it on the chin, coz, love.

I saw it as her taking the mickey out of herself for having been so awkward in that situation. Nothing more.

Most people who didn’t grow up here wouldn’t just know how formal the RF are.

This ^

Stealth boast how though?

In what way is she a flawed person?

I also find their relationship fascinating and I’ve no idea why!🤷🏻‍♀️

I’m a grown ass woman and British... and before all this I totally would have assumed the total family were more relaxed in private.

I read it as mocking too.
It wasn’t even the curtsey, it was the way she said ‘pleasure to meet you your majesty’

Harry definitely looked angry rather than embarrassed. You could see how he looked over to the back and clenched his jaw.

I actually think that - subconsciously- he’s set her up to heap all the crap on his family that he doesn’t have the courage to. He’s chosen someone with the potential to blow up relations with his family and then made Sure it happened. I doubt he’s aware that’s what’s going on. But he has very little self awareness.

That's a very interesting perspective, @Wanderingoff. Food for thought.

Wow, how fucking patronising are you.

Curtsying or bowing to another human is completely ridiculous and should be mocked. They have an appeal that shows up the rest of the stuffy RF which is probably why they got treated as they did. I think it was a massive mistake for the RF, which could have used H&M to make themselves more open and appealing to future generations

By the way, any woman can decline to curtsey (or bow) to royalty.

You won't get arrested.

Don't we all remember meeting our other half's grandmother, if they had one? I was so worried about making a good impression, I didn't say much at all. Awkward as. Then again, I was a lot younger and awkward anyway.

Harry looked very annoyed. She was mocking his grandmother, the Queen, and he was angry because of her disrespect.

You don't know why he looked the way he looked. No-one here can read his mind. He could have been feeling a few different things.

Nah

I think it is disrespectful and H looks rightfully embarrassed as this is his family and heritage. As an adult going into any new situation (new job, hobby, restaurant) you do a bit of research, find out what the dress code is, etiquette and so on. It would be like turning up to a black tie dinner in joggers and trainers and laughing and saying how silly it was, you didn’t expect it to actually be black tie. Whether M agrees with it or not, the curtesy is expected - if you don’t want to be a part of it then don’t date a Prince.

She said there was no warning so therefore very little time to research

Surely you realise he gives no fucks. Absolutely none.

Embarrassment doesn’t cause you to clench your jaw like that in my opinion.

People will see what they see though, I think it’s interesting how everyone can watch the same thing and get different impressions

Come on - most young people these days have done a full Internet history check across all media before even going on a first date. I honestly don’t think anyone is that naive to date a prince and know nothing or research nothing about his family. Even dating someone who isn’t part of the Royal family very early on you have conversations about your family/beliefs/customs. It’s a natural part of getting to know each other.

I think it was taking the piss, rude and disrespectful. Both should sod off to their life of "privacy"

She was laughing at herself for her naivety and inexperience and doing such a ridiculous OTT curtsy, possibly as she had seen in period dramas.

Harry did look uncomfortable. He is uncomfortable many times when there is anything about people encountering the hierarchical stuff. Maybe he was uncomfortable recalling her discomfort, maybe he was worried that she was coming across not as she intended (e.g straight into the jaws of the DM), maybe he is embarrassed at having brought someone into such a bizarre set up.