Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

The royal family

Discussing the things we liked about Harry and Meghan's Netflix documentary series

1000 replies

MrsMaxDeWinter · 08/12/2022 14:22

There are so many threads on things posters hated about Harry and Meghan, the Netflix series, and fair play to those posters, so I thought I would have a go at stating a thread discussing some of the things that posters liked about the series.

I'll start.

I liked that this was supposed to be this bomb detonation, but has actually been a measured, warm, and loving look at H and M's relationship, and the pressures that the press put on them, and also on other royals. I genuinely did not notice anything incendiary. Maybe that is still to come.

I enjoyed the thoughtful insights shared on the invisible contract, especially, as Harry says, having to perform for a press that you know has said hurtful things about people you love.

I loved the warm memories of Sandringham, and meeting the Queen. And Meghan's memories of growing up. I think it was a wise, though sad, that they did not include Thomas. I really loved hearing Doria: my favourite bit is when a journalist offered her money, for an interview about Meghan and she said, "That's my child!"

I also learned for the first time about Meghan's relationship with her sister Samantha's daughter Ashleigh. I had no idea that she had been raised by her grandparents who adopted her, or that she had such a warm and caring relationship with Meghan. Along with Doria's, that was my favourite interview.

I enjoyed hearing from her childhood friends, as it is often said here that she had no friends who came to the wedding etc, just celebrities. They seem a tight nit grip who have been here fr years, and I am glad she has them.

I was gobsmacked that she needed security in Toronto after the relationship was announced.

I also thought the discussion on racism, in its wider context of colonialism and imperialism, was very well done, but then again it was led by David Olusoga and Afua Hirsch, who are always great, and I love their writing.

Most of all I love that Harry confronted head on the Nazi uniform debacle, and what he learned from it. And I loved, loved, loved, the segment on his life in Lesotho where they gave him the Sesotho name, "Mahale". A wonderful name.

“It was one of the biggest mistakes of my life,” Harry said. “I felt so ashamed afterwards. All I wanted to do was make it right. I sat down and spoke to the chief rabbi in London, which had a profound effect on me. I went to Berlin and spoke to a Holocaust survivor. I could have just ignored it and made the same mistakes over again in my life. But I learned from that.”

I predicted on another thread that Harry would address this and other episodes head on in his book. I was scoffed roundly for this. I expect him to say more in is book, and I am happy to be proved right.

If only for this, I am very glad they did this.

OP posts:
Thread gallery
12
LadyMary50 · 08/12/2022 16:47

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

AL257 · 08/12/2022 16:52

Ignoring all the hate on this thread , I finished the documentary earlier and I really liked it I enjoyed hearing from their friends especially Doria and Meghan niece, as well as the lovely people Harry met in Lesotho.
I enjoyed the insight into the media contract and how hard it is to navigate that as a child when you don’t understand.
I enjoyed Meghan explaining everything that happened with her father (although it was heartbreaking a father would do that to their child)
I enjoyed the frank conversation on racism and unconscious bias.
To be honest I enjoyed it all yeah it was cheesy at points but I love a good “me and you against the world” type love.
To be honest my only criticism is that they didn’t go harder into the hate that Meghan has faced on social media maybe that will be addressed next week

GreenwichVillage83 · 08/12/2022 16:57

Icedlatteplease · 08/12/2022 14:30

Yep I totally agree OP

But then I am becoming increasingly republican

I don't understand why people conflate being Republican with liking these two. It's possible to be anti-Royal and think that H&M have zero integrity.

bakalava · 08/12/2022 17:03

The Jewish community has received no apology from him for the Nazi fancy dress.

bellinisurge · 08/12/2022 17:06

Watched it. I'm a republican. Things I didn't like: schmatlzy music. Map of the commonwealth included Ireland as part of it. But I feel sorry for them. I mean, I'd like the money to make shitty things in my life feel better. But he got them out of a fucked up situation. So that's a good thing.

Wiluli · 08/12/2022 17:12

I liked that their relationship seems real and solid . I loved seeing the old imagoes of Harry , for some reason I never realised how unhappy he looked with all the press around him as a kid , no wonder he felt the need to leave .

Wiluli · 08/12/2022 17:20

I think their relationship is very real and that they love each other . I feel they were actually really good in the documentary towards the royal family . Honestly I do not understand the hate .

Icedlatteplease · 08/12/2022 17:22

GreenwichVillage83 · 08/12/2022 16:57

I don't understand why people conflate being Republican with liking these two. It's possible to be anti-Royal and think that H&M have zero integrity.

It's also possible to like these two and their integrity and find the things they are saying increase your Republican sentiment

WidowTwanki · 08/12/2022 17:24

Onedayatatime22 · 08/12/2022 15:43

@WidowTwanki Read on

There is no evidence that he apologised for it - to whom and when.

The press report that you initially referred to as “explicitly” saying he apologised - did not as I evidenced.

You have now found something that someone else said he apologised - that’s just hearsay and there is still no evidence of an apology.

Its even more shocking that he was led thru an awareness programme after the Nazi stuff - claims he learned and then went on to do this.

Why do you feel the need to excuse and accept his racist behaviour?

Onedayatatime22 · 08/12/2022 17:33

Where have I excused it? I have condemned his language as revolting and offensive, more than once. Why do you refuse to accept that people make mistakes, particularly young people, and that they can change?

WidowTwanki · 08/12/2022 17:34

Onedayatatime22 · 08/12/2022 16:02

I think there's a distinction to be made here between using offensive and racist language and being a racist. Whilst it is quite clear that Harry has used revoltingly offensive racist language in the past, his relationship with Meghan, their mixed race children and the firm friendships he has established in Lesotho would suggest that his not a racist.

Wow.

Just wow.

How many more times are you going minimise, excuse and apologise for his racist behaviours.

This was totally unacceptable and offensive.

Why would you do that?

Do you not care about the people he caused deep offence to?

IMHO the P*ki word is as offensive as the N word - which MM has quite rightly described how traumatic that was for her and her mother.

Aspiringmatriarch · 08/12/2022 17:36

I thought the documentary was good on Harry's past and how he addressed his behaviour. He's obviously sincere about it and is open about the fact that he has learned a lot more even since being with Meghan. It shows personal growth. That's my take on it anyway. Have you watched it, WidowTwanky?

I'm pleased the documentary isn't a hatchet job on them. The trailer had me a bit worried!

What do people think the next three episodes will cover?

WidowTwanki · 08/12/2022 17:37

Onedayatatime22 · 08/12/2022 17:33

Where have I excused it? I have condemned his language as revolting and offensive, more than once. Why do you refuse to accept that people make mistakes, particularly young people, and that they can change?

He wasn’t young.

He was 21.

He had made earlier mistakes and said in the doc that he had learned from that experience but he is lying as he went on to racially offend again repeatedly.

Age has nothing to do with it. Those words wouldn’t be tolerated by a toddler at nursery .

Novella4 · 08/12/2022 17:38

I haven't read the whole thread but re change - it triggers the royals

Of course people can change and I think Harry has changed a great deal and he's to be commended on that
But the royals despite their lip service to modernisation are artefacts and relics from a less enlightened age . The very concept of 'royal assent ' is offensive
The UK monarchy is the only European monarchy to insist on a hugely expensive ( Charles estimated at 100 million) unnecessay coronation rigmarole.
They can't do change .
They don't have anything to offer but more of the same

Onedayatatime22 · 08/12/2022 17:39

Yet, @WidowTwanki, she chose to marry him. She knows him better that either of us ever will. I'm stepping back now. Enough.

Novella4 · 08/12/2022 17:40

@Icedlatteplease and @GreenwichVillage83
You are both right.
That's why Harry and Meghan are so intriguing

Can't say that about the rest of the royals

justgettingthroughtheday · 08/12/2022 17:43

@WidowTwanki why is it so impossible for you to believe that even if he was racist as a young man that he isn't now? That he has changed and grown. Did you actually bother watching the documentary?
People absolutely can believe one thing at one point in their lives and back down from that position and accept that they were wrong and learn and grow from it. That is precisely what Harry has done.
It's a shame a lot of those who continue to despise them are not mature enough to consider they may be wrong

Aspiringmatriarch · 08/12/2022 17:45

I think WidowTwanki is just trying to derail the thread tbh.

Roussette · 08/12/2022 17:54

justgettingthroughtheday · 08/12/2022 17:43

@WidowTwanki why is it so impossible for you to believe that even if he was racist as a young man that he isn't now? That he has changed and grown. Did you actually bother watching the documentary?
People absolutely can believe one thing at one point in their lives and back down from that position and accept that they were wrong and learn and grow from it. That is precisely what Harry has done.
It's a shame a lot of those who continue to despise them are not mature enough to consider they may be wrong

^^ This

I mean.. come on... I used to vote Tory decades ago! I've changed. 😂

I think he has changed enormously. He has grown up. He was the party boy, drinking and making a tit of himself... it was very convenient at the time because it took all the pressure off William and I don't think he was shielded so much as W.

I will admit I haven't seen it all yet.. a lot of clips but not watched it all the way through. What I've seen I've liked.

Well done MrsM for this thread. I will be furious if it's deleted and all the unmoderated hate ones are allowed to stand.

WidowTwanki · 08/12/2022 18:04

justgettingthroughtheday · 08/12/2022 17:43

@WidowTwanki why is it so impossible for you to believe that even if he was racist as a young man that he isn't now? That he has changed and grown. Did you actually bother watching the documentary?
People absolutely can believe one thing at one point in their lives and back down from that position and accept that they were wrong and learn and grow from it. That is precisely what Harry has done.
It's a shame a lot of those who continue to despise them are not mature enough to consider they may be wrong

I do think people can change and grow.

What I am objecting to is his declaration that after the Nazi incident he changed - he didn’t he went on to repeatedly offend with racist behaviours and language which he has not apologised for.

justgettingthroughtheday · 08/12/2022 18:11

@WidowTwanki people don't change overnight! Or at least rarely do. The two incidents you speak of were relatively close together time wise. In the documentary he went to great lengths to explain that even when he met Meghan he still didn't completely understand the level of racism and the dangers it posed. And why would he? Fundamentally he is a white privileged prince who hadn't had the exposure to what racism actually means to the people who suffer for it.
He has now seen the other side of things and his attitude has changed.

BagpussBagpussOldFatFurryCatpuss · 08/12/2022 18:37

I liked that this was supposed to be this bomb detonation, but has actually been a measured, warm, and loving look at H and M's relationship, and the pressures that the press put on them, and also on other royals. I genuinely did not notice anything incendiary. Maybe that is still to come.

This! I'm on episode 2 and it's good. No bombs going off so far.
Their biggest mistake was the Oprah interview. That was pure trash.

Ohnonevermind · 08/12/2022 18:48

My issue is the comments about Kate,

Meghan is the one who used Lainey (and her celeb website) to trash kate, she’s called her waity Katey on OW she’s implied she fits a mould, she’s cold

i just wish she would leave Kate out of it.

PrincessofWellies · 08/12/2022 18:56

An interesting rewriting of recent history . . .

FriteFuaite · 08/12/2022 18:59

I loved it, I love their relationship and I just don't get the hate people hold for them.

We are all just walking each other home.

Please create an account

To comment on this thread you need to create a Mumsnet account.

This thread is not accepting new messages.