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Discussing the things we liked about Harry and Meghan's Netflix documentary series

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MrsMaxDeWinter · 08/12/2022 14:22

There are so many threads on things posters hated about Harry and Meghan, the Netflix series, and fair play to those posters, so I thought I would have a go at stating a thread discussing some of the things that posters liked about the series.

I'll start.

I liked that this was supposed to be this bomb detonation, but has actually been a measured, warm, and loving look at H and M's relationship, and the pressures that the press put on them, and also on other royals. I genuinely did not notice anything incendiary. Maybe that is still to come.

I enjoyed the thoughtful insights shared on the invisible contract, especially, as Harry says, having to perform for a press that you know has said hurtful things about people you love.

I loved the warm memories of Sandringham, and meeting the Queen. And Meghan's memories of growing up. I think it was a wise, though sad, that they did not include Thomas. I really loved hearing Doria: my favourite bit is when a journalist offered her money, for an interview about Meghan and she said, "That's my child!"

I also learned for the first time about Meghan's relationship with her sister Samantha's daughter Ashleigh. I had no idea that she had been raised by her grandparents who adopted her, or that she had such a warm and caring relationship with Meghan. Along with Doria's, that was my favourite interview.

I enjoyed hearing from her childhood friends, as it is often said here that she had no friends who came to the wedding etc, just celebrities. They seem a tight nit grip who have been here fr years, and I am glad she has them.

I was gobsmacked that she needed security in Toronto after the relationship was announced.

I also thought the discussion on racism, in its wider context of colonialism and imperialism, was very well done, but then again it was led by David Olusoga and Afua Hirsch, who are always great, and I love their writing.

Most of all I love that Harry confronted head on the Nazi uniform debacle, and what he learned from it. And I loved, loved, loved, the segment on his life in Lesotho where they gave him the Sesotho name, "Mahale". A wonderful name.

“It was one of the biggest mistakes of my life,” Harry said. “I felt so ashamed afterwards. All I wanted to do was make it right. I sat down and spoke to the chief rabbi in London, which had a profound effect on me. I went to Berlin and spoke to a Holocaust survivor. I could have just ignored it and made the same mistakes over again in my life. But I learned from that.”

I predicted on another thread that Harry would address this and other episodes head on in his book. I was scoffed roundly for this. I expect him to say more in is book, and I am happy to be proved right.

If only for this, I am very glad they did this.

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MrsMaxDeWinter · 23/12/2022 15:49

Popping into the thread to wish a happy Christmas to all the friends I have made this year on these Duke and Duchess of Sussex threads.

My imaginary Christmas present to you, my dearest friends, is a Venn diagram that shows the points of intersection between those who loathe the Duchess of Sussex "on a cellular level" (for purely non-racist reasons of course) and those who defend the Duke of York. It also shows the intersection between those who use Mrs Obama as their Best Black Girlfriend and wing woman in attacking the Duchess of Sussex and those who use Mr Dershowitz's name as the magic incantation that, repeated seven times, will make the clouds of suspicion around the Duke of York suddenly go poof.

If you concentrate hard and count to ten, you will see it in your minds.

Happy Christmas.

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Ohnonevermind · 23/12/2022 15:51

@MrsMaxDeWinter

thanks for the wonderful gift of pompous word salad, I needed a laugh

I would love to say you’ve a gift with words, but I can’t lie, it’s the usually nonsense.

MrsMaxDeWinter · 23/12/2022 15:54

Ohnonevermind · 23/12/2022 15:51

@MrsMaxDeWinter

thanks for the wonderful gift of pompous word salad, I needed a laugh

I would love to say you’ve a gift with words, but I can’t lie, it’s the usually nonsense.

You are very welcome.

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MarshaMelrose · 23/12/2022 15:55

Well... it never got to court so we'll never know whether VG was a credible witness will we?
PAndrew obviously wanted to knock it on the head hence the payout.

We know that she got it wrong against Alan Dershowitz. She's admitted it and apologused. That will give cause for doubt in future cases.

She will have known at the time of her court case against PA that she was going to struggle against AD later in the year. So she too might have been keen for a settlement. After all, if she really wanted to PA to be found responsible for something, she could have had her day in court.
It looks to me like they both wanted it knocked on the head and we still don't know how credible VG would come across in court.

Aspiringmatriarch · 23/12/2022 15:56

Thank you @MrsMaxdeWinter. Your posts are always a pleasure to read. And people really need to learn the definition of 'word salad'. Merry Christmas.

Roussette · 23/12/2022 16:02

@MrsMaxDeWinter

And a Very Merry Christmas to you too.

Word salad it ain't. It made sense to me. 🎅🤶🎄❤🍷⭐

Ohnonevermind · 23/12/2022 16:04

@MrsMaxDeWinter

Surely you understand the difference between supporting PA and discussing the reality of court proceedings ?

Can you really not understand the difference. It won’t work in a Venn diagram - it’s more a spectrum analysis - I’m at the reality end and you’re at the fantasy end.

MrsMaxDeWinter · 23/12/2022 16:08

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LemonDrizzles · 23/12/2022 17:19

MrsMaxDeWinter · 08/12/2022 16:25

Possibly because they were receiving funding from the Sovereign Grant at this point in time?

And so your 20p or whatever it is you contribute to the Sovereign Grant means that you demand that a woman who has just given birth to a child who will never be your King should immediately leave her hospital bed and show you her newborn baby, a woman who, for all you know, may have had a difficult birth, with episiotomies and stuff because .....

Do you not realise that this is not even "Royal tradition", the Queen never did it when Andrew and Edward were born, nor did Anne, and it really only came into being when William and Harry and then Beatrice and Eugenie were born? Kate chose to display her kids, but Meghan chose not to.

She has done future royal women a huge favour by showing they can opt not to do it.

Read all about it!

www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/reports/a27391489/meghan-markle-baby-picture-comparison-royal-mothers/

My first thought was maybe she had a c-section as Harry was holding the baby and not her. How traumatic to have to go through that and then be expected to walk out in heals. I didn't have a c-section but a big tear and had to sit on a donut for like 3 weeks! I cannot imagine going out on the street and showing the baby to anyone! Princess diana was in her 20s , I was about the exact same age as Meghan. Why do it? Couldn't we see at the baptism instead (if they were comfortable?). That would be a nice time. A bit odd to see a newborn. I'd be happy to wait.

MrsMaxDeWinter · 23/12/2022 18:01

@LemonDrizzles the whole showing the baby thing to the press and public, so soon after birth, is barbaric. Part of what makes this Royal Family such a cruel theatre for the women who marry in.

I am so glad the Duchess of Sussex said, 'No thank you', and I am even more glad that she had Lili after they left.

Did you watch the series? Loved how Tyler Perry said I will be honoured to be Lili's godfather as long as we don't have to do the christening over there, with THEM. 😁

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ThighMistress · 23/12/2022 18:06

Cliched poster of the year goes to @MrsMaxDeWinter . Yep, if you disapprove of M&H that equals loving Prince Andrew and Jeremy Clarkson. Not just full of cliched crap, but mathematical crap no less Grin

Morestrangethings · 23/12/2022 21:46

Holiday Seasons Greetings to you to @MrsMaxDeWinter and to everyone else on here who defends Megan because attacks on her are misogynistic and often racist, and because it’s simply the right and decent thing to do.

Sigma33 · 23/12/2022 22:05

Morestrangethings · 23/12/2022 21:46

Holiday Seasons Greetings to you to @MrsMaxDeWinter and to everyone else on here who defends Megan because attacks on her are misogynistic and often racist, and because it’s simply the right and decent thing to do.

No matter what she does/n't do?

Wow. That's serious commitment.

Roussette · 23/12/2022 22:10

Maybe we could just wish each other Christmas Greetings without someone coming on to question our commitment to stopping mysogynistic attacks on another woman, whoever that woman is.

🙄

Morestrangethings · 23/12/2022 22:12

I said, “defend attacks on Meghan.” It is the right thing to do.

Ticketyboots · 23/12/2022 22:14

SequinsandStilettos · 23/12/2022 14:18

Michelle Obama did not criticise Meghan. She has never criticised her. Constructive advice is not the same as constructive criticism, especially when asked what her advice would be.

What she said seven months after Meghan married was:

Like me, Meghan probably never dreamt that she'd have a life like this, and the pressure you feel—from yourself and from others—can sometimes feel like a lot,"

"So my biggest piece of advice would be to take some time and don't be in a hurry to do anything. I spent the first few months in the White House mainly worrying about my daughters, making sure they were off to a good start at school and making new friends before I launched into any more ambitious work. I think it's okay—it's good, even—to do that."

"What I'd say is that there's so much opportunity to do good with a platform like that—and I think Meghan can maximise her impact for others, as well her own happiness, if she's doing something that resonates with her personally."

Later she has praised her friend for doing exactly that:

"Thank you to my friend, Her Royal Highness The Duchess of Sussex @sussexroyal, a thoughtful leader who is breaking the mold and making our world better for it. Whether meeting with our @ObamaFoundation Leaders or helping girls around the world seek the education they deserve, she is an inspiration to so many."

She has called Meghan frank and down-to-earth. In response to the Oprah interview, Michelle did a very good job of pulling the questions around to more general statements on public service and inter-racial relationships (from 11.37) but these were diplomatic responses - there was no direct criticism of Meghan or the Queen, nor was there underlying/covert criticism there particularly: she acknowledged that allegations of racism would not surprise her but as it was family, she hoped forgiveness and clarity would resolve things.

As you read I was specifically referring to Michelle Obama’s comments POST the OW interview - your deliberate deflection and whataboutery from before the OW interview and then your slithering between defining it as constructive advice rather than criticism is excruciating to read…..

In my opinion she diplomatically and directly criticised them - she certainly didn’t (and hasn’t since) supported or encouraged their approach - but maybe we are furiously agreeing - as MO felt the need to step in and speak out as they needed direction.

It’s just a shame that they never listened to the wise, intelligent woman but went on to do the opposite of her “constructive advice”.

This is the clip you need

m.youtube.com/watch?v=xHV_vmYoSjY

Ohnonevermind · 23/12/2022 22:16

Pointing out when someone is lying isn’t misogynistic. Pointing out that courts don’t look favourably on the sworn evidence of people who have been proven to lie isn’t misogynistic.
Perhaps you should look that meaning up ?

Roussette · 23/12/2022 22:30

mysogynistic attacks like Clarkson's is a very good reason to defend Meghan, and that's what I'm doing. I don't need reminding what the word means, fully aware thanks.

Furries · 24/12/2022 04:34

MrsMaxDeWinter · 23/12/2022 15:49

Popping into the thread to wish a happy Christmas to all the friends I have made this year on these Duke and Duchess of Sussex threads.

My imaginary Christmas present to you, my dearest friends, is a Venn diagram that shows the points of intersection between those who loathe the Duchess of Sussex "on a cellular level" (for purely non-racist reasons of course) and those who defend the Duke of York. It also shows the intersection between those who use Mrs Obama as their Best Black Girlfriend and wing woman in attacking the Duchess of Sussex and those who use Mr Dershowitz's name as the magic incantation that, repeated seven times, will make the clouds of suspicion around the Duke of York suddenly go poof.

If you concentrate hard and count to ten, you will see it in your minds.

Happy Christmas.

I dip in and out of this board. Don’t post much because both sides can seem a bit loopy.

But the projection and sanctimony are strong in this post. Actually, a lot of your posts come off like this. And it’s really not a good way to try to shut people down.

I’ve seen some off the wall posts here against the couple. And I’ve seen some “blind to events” from those in support.

What I really don’t like are these types of posts. The ones that “tar” whilst avoiding brandishing the brush. The ones that hint, really bloody strongly, that those who may have an issue have it for only one reason.

It’s offensive and lazy. Absolutely, call out/rebut individual posts. But don’t do these stupid “ooh, Venn diagram that everyone falls into” comments. Doing that is next level passive aggressive - it comes across as trying to shut down anyone who has a negative view on them.

I don’t agree with some of the batshit and projecting views that I’ve seen posted on here re the couple. Equally, I sometimes want to bang my head with regards to some of the defensive posts.

Sometimes, if you concentrate hard and count to ten, you see that not everyone who is critical is a bigot.

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notanotheroneagain · 24/12/2022 14:31

Wow, just came on today to just post that I believe the scum and the palace will post apologies and call outs on boxing day when the papers are on a low day (like they did with the fail apology).

So much on here on my catching up. From :

The palace must stay the same - erm no, they must stop being racist and accept poc within their ranks and work.

Defending Camilla as it's not her party. Yeah right, as if a whole queen could go to a 'private party' without vetting who is coming. So what? low ranking isis/taliban/right wing nutter/ anyone who hate her could all turn up, she does not know? Both Clarkson and Morgan have been very vocal in their unhinged vitriol. No, this was deliberate (probably planned too, to divert from the real issues raised on vol2 of H&M)

Defending Andrew? Really?
The whole point of him paying was so he does not get a definite verdict, for deniability. People want the victim to re-live all the gory stuff. (besides that janitor saw him with vg in the pool, anyway, the police gave him a recent pic of her hence he could not identify). And no, being friends with a convicted peado is way worse than moving your family and complaining about racism.

It's not enough for posters to have 5/6 hateful threads, but they feel the need too also shoehorn on positive ones. For what reason exactly. To try and convince everyone else to hate MM? So weird.

I still cannot believe how staunch and stubborn racists are in their beliefs (I'm referring to the wider world).

Thanks OP.

A pity it's finishing as so much to say about what we like about the docuseries.
Hope you open another thread soon, I like reading positivity.

Merry xmas everyone.

notanotheroneagain · 24/12/2022 14:35

PS : I had meant to link this.

"Don't look at me like that"

twitter.com/LBC/status/1605556083845746691

Lampzade · 24/12/2022 16:08

MrsMaxDeWinter · 23/12/2022 15:49

Popping into the thread to wish a happy Christmas to all the friends I have made this year on these Duke and Duchess of Sussex threads.

My imaginary Christmas present to you, my dearest friends, is a Venn diagram that shows the points of intersection between those who loathe the Duchess of Sussex "on a cellular level" (for purely non-racist reasons of course) and those who defend the Duke of York. It also shows the intersection between those who use Mrs Obama as their Best Black Girlfriend and wing woman in attacking the Duchess of Sussex and those who use Mr Dershowitz's name as the magic incantation that, repeated seven times, will make the clouds of suspicion around the Duke of York suddenly go poof.

If you concentrate hard and count to ten, you will see it in your minds.

Happy Christmas.

Great post ha ha
Have a lovely Christmas

Blip · 24/12/2022 16:37

@notanotheroneagain not much positivity coming from H&M if that's what you like

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