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The royal family

Discussing the things we liked about Harry and Meghan's Netflix documentary series

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MrsMaxDeWinter · 08/12/2022 14:22

There are so many threads on things posters hated about Harry and Meghan, the Netflix series, and fair play to those posters, so I thought I would have a go at stating a thread discussing some of the things that posters liked about the series.

I'll start.

I liked that this was supposed to be this bomb detonation, but has actually been a measured, warm, and loving look at H and M's relationship, and the pressures that the press put on them, and also on other royals. I genuinely did not notice anything incendiary. Maybe that is still to come.

I enjoyed the thoughtful insights shared on the invisible contract, especially, as Harry says, having to perform for a press that you know has said hurtful things about people you love.

I loved the warm memories of Sandringham, and meeting the Queen. And Meghan's memories of growing up. I think it was a wise, though sad, that they did not include Thomas. I really loved hearing Doria: my favourite bit is when a journalist offered her money, for an interview about Meghan and she said, "That's my child!"

I also learned for the first time about Meghan's relationship with her sister Samantha's daughter Ashleigh. I had no idea that she had been raised by her grandparents who adopted her, or that she had such a warm and caring relationship with Meghan. Along with Doria's, that was my favourite interview.

I enjoyed hearing from her childhood friends, as it is often said here that she had no friends who came to the wedding etc, just celebrities. They seem a tight nit grip who have been here fr years, and I am glad she has them.

I was gobsmacked that she needed security in Toronto after the relationship was announced.

I also thought the discussion on racism, in its wider context of colonialism and imperialism, was very well done, but then again it was led by David Olusoga and Afua Hirsch, who are always great, and I love their writing.

Most of all I love that Harry confronted head on the Nazi uniform debacle, and what he learned from it. And I loved, loved, loved, the segment on his life in Lesotho where they gave him the Sesotho name, "Mahale". A wonderful name.

“It was one of the biggest mistakes of my life,” Harry said. “I felt so ashamed afterwards. All I wanted to do was make it right. I sat down and spoke to the chief rabbi in London, which had a profound effect on me. I went to Berlin and spoke to a Holocaust survivor. I could have just ignored it and made the same mistakes over again in my life. But I learned from that.”

I predicted on another thread that Harry would address this and other episodes head on in his book. I was scoffed roundly for this. I expect him to say more in is book, and I am happy to be proved right.

If only for this, I am very glad they did this.

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DrMarciaFieldstone · 08/12/2022 14:51

‘What-about’ not getting on with your mums family, your dads family, your husbands family, your exes family, your staff, …. But it’s not you, it’s them…

Oh sorry, she has a half niece she likes (not their mum though) ahhh, forgot it, she’s just misunderstood!!

WidowTwanki · 08/12/2022 14:51

BedTaker · 08/12/2022 14:49

Ha, got deleted for quoting the exact racist terms that Harry used about a colleague. Harry, who framed a large part of the documentary around how terrible it is that everyone else is so racist.

Most of all I love that Harry confronted head on the Nazi uniform debacle, and what he learned from it. And I loved, loved, loved, the segment on his life in Lesotho where they gave him the Sesotho name, "Mahale". A wonderful name.

“It was one of the biggest mistakes of my life,” Harry said. “I felt so ashamed afterwards. All I wanted to do was make it right. I sat down and spoke to the chief rabbi in London, which had a profound effect on me. I went to Berlin and spoke to a Holocaust survivor. I could have just ignored it and made the same mistakes over again in my life. But I learned from that.”

He didn’t learn from it though did he?

He went on shortly afterwards to call a colleague our little Pki friend and Rghead and filmed it.

I am disgusted that he swerved his additional abusive racist behaviours and that you @MrsMaxDeWinter don’t expect more from him?

MrsMaxDeWinter · 08/12/2022 14:51

Novella4 · 08/12/2022 14:38

@MrsMaxDeWinter

Pause a minute . Why is there this assumption that :

they ( the royals I assume ) need that invisible contract as an extension of their PR, but it clearly became too much for them

Why the hell is the media propping up the royals ?? There so much more to this side of it .
The MSM pushed the royals / highlights what the royals want shown / ignores what they don't want shown etc

THAT is my complaint . The royals can't stand on their own merit . They are shaped and presented and the people are virtually brainwashed into supporting the monarchy nonsense .

I want that looked at before all the family gossip - that's a side issue

But yes I agree H and M are brave .

THAT is my complaint . The royals can't stand on their own merit . They are shaped and presented and the people are virtually brainwashed into supporting the monarchy nonsense

This is the discussion I wanted to have thank you.

The older gent, the historian whose name escapes me now, explained it well.

This is a family who owe their place in the world to the notion of being appointed by God.

It is such a ridiculous notion that they need the press onside to continue the weird justification that the blood line of this family was selected by God to rule over the UK and a bunch of former colonies.

So they need to present themselves in a particular way, modern, relevant, appealing, value for money. If the press ever turns on them, they are finished, because how on earth do you justify that this one family is special above others, and that the first born son (now child) in each generation is more special than all the others born in that family?

It's a totally mad system held together by the press as the arbiter of what the British people want. Interesting isn't it that the conversations about ditching the monarchy are only happening in the countries that the British press does not control, in the Commonwealth.

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Backstreetsbackalrightdadada · 08/12/2022 14:52

BedTaker · 08/12/2022 14:49

Ha, got deleted for quoting the exact racist terms that Harry used about a colleague. Harry, who framed a large part of the documentary around how terrible it is that everyone else is so racist.

Saw that, lol!! But then you’re not a royal covered in PR teams, or now an ex royal clinging-to-titles and covered in PR teams

LadyHarmby · 08/12/2022 14:54

Why the hell is the media propping up the royals ??

I think the invisible contract is that we pay for the Royals so they have to accept some media exposure in return. The media wants the exposure because it sells papers because we all want to see them and read about them. So everyone gets something out of it.

Backstreetsbackalrightdadada · 08/12/2022 14:54

This is the thing…. There are some people who are SO keen to worship someone “above” you, you will completely overlook their shortcomings. It’s true of the royals, slebs, sportspeople, writers, and Harry (who is the Brooklyn Beckham of the royals)

Onedayatatime22 · 08/12/2022 14:54

He talked a lot about his previous attitudes and how he has had so much to learn. Interesting that you haven't watched the documentary yet you are focussed on a particular story that was reported where? In the press? What context? Were there apologies at the time? I don't know about that story or when it happened. Sounds like a disgusting use of language.

Onedayatatime22 · 08/12/2022 14:57

Backstreetsbackalrightdadada · 08/12/2022 14:54

This is the thing…. There are some people who are SO keen to worship someone “above” you, you will completely overlook their shortcomings. It’s true of the royals, slebs, sportspeople, writers, and Harry (who is the Brooklyn Beckham of the royals)

That's crap. Not about that at all. You say yourself you haven't watched it so not sure you're best placed to comment on a thread discussing the things people liked about the programme...

Backstreetsbackalrightdadada · 08/12/2022 14:57

Onedayatatime22 · 08/12/2022 14:54

He talked a lot about his previous attitudes and how he has had so much to learn. Interesting that you haven't watched the documentary yet you are focussed on a particular story that was reported where? In the press? What context? Were there apologies at the time? I don't know about that story or when it happened. Sounds like a disgusting use of language.

Yes it was disgusting at the time and shameful he never apologised, and I cannot believe someone who has never apologised over it is a reliable ally.

It was very widely reported at the time. For example: amp.theguardian.com/uk/2009/jan/12/prince-harry-racism

MrsMaxDeWinter · 08/12/2022 14:58

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Novella4 · 08/12/2022 14:58

@MrsMaxDeWinter

Yes that is interesting .
I wonder if the lack of support for the monarchy among the young is in part due to the fact that they don't access the MSM

WidowTwanki · 08/12/2022 14:58

MrsMaxDeWinter · 08/12/2022 14:51

THAT is my complaint . The royals can't stand on their own merit . They are shaped and presented and the people are virtually brainwashed into supporting the monarchy nonsense

This is the discussion I wanted to have thank you.

The older gent, the historian whose name escapes me now, explained it well.

This is a family who owe their place in the world to the notion of being appointed by God.

It is such a ridiculous notion that they need the press onside to continue the weird justification that the blood line of this family was selected by God to rule over the UK and a bunch of former colonies.

So they need to present themselves in a particular way, modern, relevant, appealing, value for money. If the press ever turns on them, they are finished, because how on earth do you justify that this one family is special above others, and that the first born son (now child) in each generation is more special than all the others born in that family?

It's a totally mad system held together by the press as the arbiter of what the British people want. Interesting isn't it that the conversations about ditching the monarchy are only happening in the countries that the British press does not control, in the Commonwealth.

Why do they use their royal titles then?

Why did they want to be half in half out?

Why do they choose to participate front and centre in the rituals of this institution and then curtsy and bow to the head?

Why did they name their daughter after the head of institution?

Why would she want to be associated with such an organisation? She’s well educated, studied International Relations - she knew exactly what their wealth was based on.

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DrMarciaFieldstone · 08/12/2022 15:00

Why would she want to be associated with such an organisation? She’s well educated, studied International Relations - she knew exactly what their wealth was based on.

She ‘didn’t know what Harry did for a living‘ though 🤥

Backstreetsbackalrightdadada · 08/12/2022 15:01

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By calling out Harry’s use of racist slurs? I’m never going to NOT call it out

CovertImage · 08/12/2022 15:02

Yet another positive thread from you about H&M - are you their agent OP?

LadyHarmby · 08/12/2022 15:05

It’s not that I think MM is particularly wonderful. I don’t know her so I don’t have much of an opinion. What I don’t understand is why she inspires such extreme hatred and dislike. How do people form such an firm opinion based on so little actual fact?

Onedayatatime22 · 08/12/2022 15:06

@Backstreetsbackalrightdadada He was 21. And he apologised at the time - it says so in your link. Doesn't make it right, of course. But you might want to get your facts straight.

Aspiringmatriarch · 08/12/2022 15:06

Right, ignoring the inevitable avalanche of snark to join your positive thread OP!

I've already watched all three episodes 😳 and have not only really enjoyed them but I actually think they came across as more warm and genuine, and more genuinely in love with each other, than I'd previously perceived. I've been generally supportive of/about them but it's difficult to know how or whether a relationship at the centre of all that can hold up under the pressure, or whether there's some element of artifice to what they're presenting. I didn't get that from them at all, they came across as a very strong couple with a good dynamic. Which again, with all the comments over the years about Meghan's supposedly controlling body language etc, was refreshing to see. They just seem like nice people tbh.

It was also great to hear from Doria, Meghan's niece, and Meghan's childhood friends as well as her Suits castmates.

Novella4 · 08/12/2022 15:08

LadyHarmby · 08/12/2022 15:05

It’s not that I think MM is particularly wonderful. I don’t know her so I don’t have much of an opinion. What I don’t understand is why she inspires such extreme hatred and dislike. How do people form such an firm opinion based on so little actual fact?

In my opinion it's mostly racism mixed with anger that she took the 'best' royal away
God they are a dull lot and they needed him

I'm a republican and even I can't help liking Harry a bit !

WidowTwanki · 08/12/2022 15:08

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My agenda is to hold racists to account.

I will call it out time and time again.

PH has never acknowledged or apologised for his abusive racist language (filmed) used as an adult in the workplace.

Why is that acceptable to you @MrsMaxDeWinter

Aspiringmatriarch · 08/12/2022 15:09

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This. Best ignored or we will never get a positive thread on here! 😁

minou123 · 08/12/2022 15:11

LadyHarmby · 08/12/2022 15:05

It’s not that I think MM is particularly wonderful. I don’t know her so I don’t have much of an opinion. What I don’t understand is why she inspires such extreme hatred and dislike. How do people form such an firm opinion based on so little actual fact?

I agree with you @LadyHarmby

Backstreetsbackalrightdadada · 08/12/2022 15:11

He never apologised - others said he had. He has never addressed it. Him being 21 is a really obscene defence, I was a younger than him and gasped when it was on the news. It’s inconvenient to him but doesn’t show any growth that he ignores it. It wasn’t just the one slur, as others have said.

Backstreetsbackalrightdadada · 08/12/2022 15:12

I actually think Meghan is decent! Im just not supporting these weird PR campaigns when they wanted to be in the royals, then half-in, and only exited when told no. Certainly H is no ally.

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