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The family blame Meghan for it all, really. They absolutely f–king hate her, basically

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tatala · 08/12/2022 13:37

Let's discuss.

A friend of Kate and William’s said: “It’s hard to imagine how devastating the last three years have been for William. The brothers were so close, they had such an incredible bond. It’s impossible really to express what a massive, terrible, ongoing headache this has been for William in the past few years. The family blame Meghan for it all, really. They absolutely f–king hate her, basically. It’s a huge disaster. Growing up the brothers were so close. Harry would do anything to be with William. They lost their mum, and their dad was really disengaged so they had this incredible, incredible bond. Everyone knew it.

“And then Meghan came along. Everyone warned him off her but he wouldn’t listen, and she just ripped him away. The bond is gone, completely gone and this film is just the latest betrayal. William really, really, really hates both of them now. It’s really toxic and destructive for all of them. At the end of the day, they are a family, and their whole family life has been ruined by Meghan. You can’t imagine how bad it really is.”

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lemmein · 09/12/2022 13:43

Bollindger · 09/12/2022 13:29

The major problem is Catherine stands by her man.
Meghan as seen on occasions push Harry out of the way to go first.
The claw she uses on him and the do as you are told looks and touches are famous.

Stand by her man? Fuck we really do hold these people to 1940s standards that most of us wouldn't tolerate don't we? 🤦🏻‍♀️ How many paces behind 'her man' would you like Meghan to be?

Fortheloveofall · 09/12/2022 13:49

Let’s all be honest. It’s not a case of good vs bad. It’s not poor Wills or poor Harry.

It takes two to tango and they are ALL responsible for creating this mess. They all just need to get a grip all of them.

ALL OF THEM

FancyFanny · 09/12/2022 14:15

In the two episodes I have watched so far, what first struck me is the sheer lack of any form of self-analysis or introspection or internal questioning by Megan of her own thoughts, feelings or actions. She comes across as very self-righteous and assured of her own importance.

I can't help but think that she thought she would be the one that revolutionised the monarchy, and when she realised this was a task way beyond her realm she has instead turned herself into a victim.

WinnieTheW0rm · 09/12/2022 14:16

Had Harry and Meghan been given a quiet anonymous couple of years post-wedding like will and Kate, there would have been more breathing room to work through some of this stuff instead of doing it in the glare of the press, which fanned the flames

I was reported at the time that they had indeed been offered this, but they they turned it down ('want to hit the ground running' etc).

Certainly W&K had this (the Anglesey years) and ER II had her time in Malta.

nookierookie · 09/12/2022 14:16

@lemmein

Thanks!

Not sure if you'll also agree with this as it is more speculative, but I had heard that the queen did ask her private secretary to try to put together a plan for H+M. Suspect that this wasn't given nearly enough attention by the Palace for understandable reasons - the guy in charge of the queen's affairs had Andrew's issues coming down the pipe, plus William's (alleged?) affair to manage press-wise AND all the constitutional crap around Brexit to try to keep pace with with Boris proroguing parliament etc etc. That's quite a job!

If the RF had done some of the easy things better - buying H+M a bit of peace, love bombing them a bit about there being a role for them in future, the fluffy stuff, then they might have stuck it out a bit longer. If Harry had not seen red quite so quickly and labelled everyone "obstructive", it would have gone much better for him and Meghan. Meghan was at her most vulnerable and had been used to a dynamic environment where, if someone says to you that they want to do something (find you a role, negotiate a way for you to spend more time in America) you see progress very quickly - the royal family is not like that, it's slow burn because it isn't supposed to change quickly, that is the whole point. I think Harry and Meghan were far too quick to read unwillingness and obstruction into the whole process and it was very unrealistic of them to think they'd just hammer out terms in an audience with the queen. But that's not on Meghan - Harry was the insider and he should have known better and both of them had already lost trust in those who could have advised them well on this.

JemimaTiggywinkles · 09/12/2022 14:24

Stand by her man? Fuck we really do hold these people to 1940s standards that most of us wouldn't tolerate don't we?

The same was expected of Prince Philip - he always had to stand a pace behind his wife. Those born royal have a higher status than their spouses. I doubt Meghan was fully aware of that though. One thing that absolutely shone through the documentary is that Harry had not prepared her at all for what was going to happen.

FancyFanny · 09/12/2022 14:40

They announced their marriage plans barely a year after their first meeting.

Harry will come to regret alienating his family and denouncing his royal duties when the marriage breaks down, which it will inevitably do.

Bollindger · 09/12/2022 15:16

So being a good person is 1940s behaviour.

So to be a 2020 woman you have to bully your husband, cut of everyone from both sides of the family, and the only person who should matter is oneself. Me me me again and me.

antelopevalley · 09/12/2022 15:27

FancyFanny · 09/12/2022 14:40

They announced their marriage plans barely a year after their first meeting.

Harry will come to regret alienating his family and denouncing his royal duties when the marriage breaks down, which it will inevitably do.

Harry is still reportedly close to cousins. What you mean by his family is his father and brother. Lots of people have little or nothing to do with dysfunctional families.

It sounds like you want them to split up. They appear very happy, and like any couple with young children I hope they stay happily married. I find any other sentiment extremely distasteful.

Do you really want Harry to leave his wife and kids and go back to his Daddy and brother? How would that be a good thing?

superdupernova · 09/12/2022 15:31

How dare she be a strong, confident, mixed race woman who stands up for herself?

You can be all of these things and still be a nice person. Sadly, she doesn't seem to know how to build herself up without knocking everyone around her down.

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Ritascornershop · 09/12/2022 16:08

One thing I’ve found confusing is Meghan repeatedly saying she didn’t have a clue about royalty, what was involved, had never heard of walkabouts, didn’t know God Save the Queen etc.

She lived in Canada for years! The Royals busted Canada a number of times when she lived there, the Queen was on the money, the anthem (and Oh Canada) is sung at hockey games, school assemblies, etc. I just think she’d have been more familiar with the RF than your average American.

mrs55 · 09/12/2022 17:23

CuordiMela765 · 09/12/2022 13:29

I totally agree @mrs55

If you look at the front page of the Fail today it is full of bile and hated. Completely without any balance. And our view of H & M has largely been filtered through newspapers like that and journalists like Piers Morgan who almost froths at the mouth he is so full of hatred for Meghan.

I mean, I don’t know why the majority of Mumsnetters are not pro-Meghan simply on the grounds that Piers Morgan and the Mail are so massively against her? Who needs any more reasons frankly?

How dare she be a strong, confident, mixed race woman who stands up for herself?

I am sorry to say that the racism and misogyny are alive and well in modern Britain.

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Piers Morgan will be flapping his feathers with pure hatred as we speak I don’t know how people have the energy to hate someone so much that they don’t even know, you’d think Andrew would be getting the most stick but no…..

Ritascornershop · 09/12/2022 17:33

Sorry, weird autocorrect above: the Royals visited Canada whine Meghan lived there, not busted it!

SirVixofVixHall · 09/12/2022 17:33

lightisnotwhite · 09/12/2022 09:44

They don’t hate her but you can’t tell me Harry wasn’t warned that an American with zero experience of British life (save a holiday) wasn’t going to fit with being a working Royal. Di and Fergie were both aristos, found it a challenge.

After seeing the press go after his mother he should have given up his royal role and then got married. No idea why he didn’t.

I think he didn’t because they both have egos the size of planets and imagined that Megan would shake up and revolutionise the Crown.

pilates · 09/12/2022 23:32

Megs is such a strong woman she is going to change the monarchy don’t you know

GetThatHelmetOn · 10/12/2022 00:02

theworldhas · 09/12/2022 10:57

Harry and Meghan are trying to peddle a narrative that Catherine is nothing more than a stepford royal wife rather than the warm wife and mother she is.

The general public don’t know anything at Catherine other than she actively pursued William, she married William, she seems to like sports, and she’s good at smiling and not doing/saying anything controversial. Nobody knows anything apart from that.

Pretty much the same reasons why the Queen was so respected…

Thighlengthboots · 10/12/2022 10:17

I think its incredibly unfair to call Kate a "stepford wife". She would have been told about the RF protocol when she joined. Eg they arent meant to be outspoken about politics etc etc. By that rationale, the Queen was also a "stepford wife" because she smiled and shook hands with people a lot. Yet, everyone said she got it absolutely right as a monarch. Kate cannot be falling out of nightclubs or telling stories to Take a Break because it would be inappropriate. Kate has done a lot of work with mental health charities and spoken out about a lot of important issues. Of course we dont see her lapsing into fits of anger or annoyance or any other labile emotions or whatever because then she'd be heavily criticised for that too and there would be headlines about "Kate loses the plot" or "is she ready to be Queen" etc. Or maybe, she's just naturally introverted and finds that whole scene incredibly hard and so plasters on a smile to cover it up. Just because she isnt having regular meltdowns or going on tv spilling her guts doesnt make her a "stepford wife" ffs.

bakalava · 10/12/2022 10:29

Yes, that is another thing. Where does this leave their attempts at being mental health ambassadors and standing up for women's rights? If they feel the royal life is a prison then Kate would count as being an oppressed woman who cannot use her voice. So that means that they are making digs at a vulnerable woman without a voice on purpose. They have cancelled themselves.

Bollindger · 10/12/2022 13:01

So how many people here decided to go low contact with their family and do these things.

  1. Interview watched by millions to try to shame their family.
  2. Got paid 100m to dish the dirt.
  3. Wrote a book about their family.
  4. Did podcasts, for pity party.
Admit it you would be livid if your child lambasted you on Facebook. Get real folks.
CoffeandTiaMaria · 10/12/2022 13:08

@Bollindger i agree.
If my DCs did that I certainly wouldn’t be happy. I would still love them but I would hate their actions and their behaviour.

HamBone · 10/12/2022 20:15

Good pints, @Bollindger . Some of my family members are highly dysfunctional, but I haven’t shared this with even my friends. My DH knows some of it, but even he doesn’t know everything.

Most people just wouldn’t consider selling out their problematic families for $$$$. 🫤

HamBone · 10/12/2022 20:15

*points.

CuordiMela765 · 10/12/2022 22:16

Bollindger · 10/12/2022 13:01

So how many people here decided to go low contact with their family and do these things.

  1. Interview watched by millions to try to shame their family.
  2. Got paid 100m to dish the dirt.
  3. Wrote a book about their family.
  4. Did podcasts, for pity party.
Admit it you would be livid if your child lambasted you on Facebook. Get real folks.

I see what you are saying Bollindger, I would be mortified and desperately hurt if one of my DC posted something awful about me on Facebook. But to be fair to H & M, they are in a very public situation, they are not exactly in an average family, and the most awful stories have appeared globally about them in the press, on TV, on the internet. They must be feeling very hurt too and I think they have a right to address some of the things that have been said about them.

Also, I wouldn't want to sell my family down the river no, but there are certain things I think I would be justified in bringing out in to the open. It would depend on what they had done tbh.

And we haven't got to the part of the docuseries yet where they explain about other members of the family briefing against them, although it was briefly touched on. Maybe they genuinely feel they have good reason to cut themselves off from their families (just as Diana had a genuine reason to feel deceived, a reason which wasn't generally known about until she assisted with Andrew Morton's book) and that they therefore have a right to explain publically why it was necessary. If members of my family behaved in a racist way towards my spouse or spread untrue stories about us in order to deflect from something wrong that they had done, I wouldn't be hanging around to spend time with them and I would be explaining to everyone else why.

lemmein · 10/12/2022 22:45

Admit it you would be livid if your child lambasted you on Facebook. Get real folks.

If you can't take it don't dish it out. Just because H&M put their name to their words doesn't make them the bad guys. If 'palace sources' STFU maybe they would too?

If I maliciously spread shit about my child and their partner I would fully expect they would bite back at some point!