The family blame Meghan for it all, really. They absolutely f–king hate her, basically

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A friend of Kate and William’s said: “It’s hard to imagine how devastating the last three years have been for William. The brothers were so close, they had such an incredible bond. It’s impossible really to express what a massive, terrible, ongoing headache this has been for William in the past few years. The family blame Meghan for it all, really. They absolutely f–king hate her, basically. It’s a huge disaster. Growing up the brothers were so close. Harry would do anything to be with William. They lost their mum, and their dad was really disengaged so they had this incredible, incredible bond. Everyone knew it.

“And then Meghan came along. Everyone warned him off her but he wouldn’t listen, and she just ripped him away. The bond is gone, completely gone and this film is just the latest betrayal. William really, really, really hates both of them now. It’s really toxic and destructive for all of them. At the end of the day, they are a family, and their whole family life has been ruined by Meghan. You can’t imagine how bad it really is.”

Here here . Needs to look at himself. And MM is as jealous as a cat of Kate . No way was MM going to play second fiddle . She had to be No 1

Exactly which is what I object to. The hypocrisy is off the scale.

I think Harry was desperate to get out and who can blame him. Meghan was never going to settle for life as a working royal, and again, that's completely understandable.

What is revolting is them monetising their leaving in such a crass way, basically their livelihood depends on them trashing Harry's family.

I'm no royalist and I fully believe that there were racist elements within the monarchy and the press, but I do think they would never have stayed regardless of what had happened.

Her showing her curtsy to the Queen with an exaggerated bow and a look of side eye made Harry smile then look very uncomfortable, as he probably realised she is lying and she does it does it with complete ease. I loved the nickname someone said, the ginger and the whinger, they are forever known as that in my head now.

I bloody hope Meghan sticks with him.

I have zero interest in watching the drivel of their show🙄, but i think it is hugely convenient and disingenuous of William to blame Meghan for everything.

I think Harry is a spoiled, selfish, self absorbed dim twit who continues to be just another embarrassing member of the royal family.

As @MarieIVanArkleStinks has listed, there is a long list of utterly repugnant behaviour in the RF.

Many instances of words and actions that indicate their complete lack of decency and respect for others.

Andrew thought it absolutely within his right to have a 17 year old girl procured for him, in his 40's and yet they still associate with him.

MM sounds utterly batshit to me, but she fits right in with the rest of them and their dubious morals.

Lord Mountbatton was adored by the family even though he is known to have been part of a ring that abused institutionalised boys in a Kincora home in northern Ireland during the 70's.......and yet he is lauded by Charles🙄

These are people that accept the very lowest in low morals.

They hate MM for being like them but not keeping her mouth shut.

And before anyone tells me off I love red hair! But I did enjoy that nickname

His strings are being pulled by his missus though aren't they

Bet if anyone said they didn't like her shoes they would be branded a racist .

So agree with this.

I have managed a long life without having ANYONE in my circle of family and friends who laud the Nazi's or calling others by racial slurs.

I know I am not alone in this.

That dimwit thinking he has the right to lecture anyone is hard to stomach.

As for the Kennedy award🙄mortified for them and their stupidity in giving it to two grifters.

What is revolting is them monetising their leaving in such a crass way, basically their livelihood depends on them trashing Harry's family.

I agree, but it won't go on forever (it just feels like it at the moment ). They're one-trick ponies. All they have to sell is their story about being royal, and boy oh boy are they flogging it to death - the Oprah interview, this six-part mini-series and Harry's biography in Jan. But after that, what? They'll have told the same story three times by then and even the most avid of royal gossip-consumers will surely have had enough?

They're making hay while the sun shines. Right now there's appetite for whatever titbits they may still have, but I sense that interest in them is already waning. How many times can they trot out the same anecdotes and expect the same gasps of horror in response? I think a lot of people feel sorry for Harry being born into the goldfish bowl of royal life and paraded in public as a grieving child, but there are only so many times you can flog the same story and have people pay money to purchase it.

@maranella you're right of course.

I do also find them calling their daughter Lilibet pretty sad. As if they are setting up a life for her in which being a royal celeb is the only option. You only have to look at Princess Anne's kids to see there is another way.

It’s a sad indictment of their family that every generation seems to spawn a spoilt and feckless member who is never able to find their place in the world, partly because of the “values” they have been brought up with ie the conviction that they are both superior and above work, and partly because of their own shortcomings in terms of both intelligence and education. His fathers generation have Andrew, his mothers generation had Margaret, and before that, both before and after his abdication the Duke of Windsor was a rudderless and pathetic figure.

Bang-on-the-money post.

What he says about the racist royal family is undoubtedly true. Likewise the more influential proportion of the UK media. I frankly couldn't give a shiny tin shit what he thinks about the UK public: what Windsor truly has the remotest idea?

This is consistent with their usual stance: a constant bleating of how we all have a responsibility to take better care of the planet (but not us, we're busy travelling in gas guzzling vehicles, private jets, and helicopters, and have a big enough carbon footprint across their vast estates to compensate for a small town). It's about conservation (but we'll be photographed draped over the bison we've just offed, shoot rare hen harriers at Sandringham - yes Harry, looking at you for both these - and blast game birds out of the sky).

We'll lecture you about environmentalism when we're about as green as a nuclear dump. We'll lecture you about racism when - whoops! - we're shocking racists whose past behaviour would have made Nick Griffin blush.

They're all the same, so playing the two sides off, giving a free pass to some family members whilst condemning the others for the same behaviour (this seems to be the tone of most of these threads) is really missing the point. But if Harry and Meghan are trying to take the whole institution down, I shan't be the person to stand in their way (I'm only surprised Andrew hasn't already succeeded ...).

I agree, but it won't go on forever (it just feels like it at the moment Grin). They're one-trick ponies. All they have to sell is their story about being royal, and boy oh boy are they flogging it to death - the Oprah interview, this six-part mini-series and Harry's biography in Jan. But after that, what? They'll have told the same story three times by then and even the most avid of royal gossip-consumers will surely have had enough

This is what I'm wondering. They've done the interview circuit, the book, and now a Netflix series. I'm really curious what will come next. They have clearly told their story now so how can they drag this out any longer? There are only so many times you can tell the same story over and over again.

Quite so @viques. Life is going to be hard for Harry outside the protection of the RF. As Prince Harry, he had a role and valuable work he could do highlighting charitable causes and no need to earn a salary for doing it. As Harry of Montecito, bankrolled by the likes of Netflix and with no more than a basic education and a gigantic sense of entitlement, I'm not sure what he'll do with himself long-term.

Takes two to tango and as with all family disputes, there is blame on both sides for such a break down.

I'd imagine its quite a wrench to move to another continent and then basically disown your own family without any reasons.

As for MM wanting to be no1 ? surely she would have gone for William if that were the case.

I look at how Diana was treated, both by the RF and her Husband, to see that their claims may well have some substance.

surely she would have gone for William if that were the case

William was already married. HTH

There has always been an unwritten agreement between the Royals and the public. Fabulous wealth in exchange for their service and our freedom to criticise, gossip about and mock them. They in turn are not allowed to respond.

Meghan thought it was just people allowing you extreme wealth in exchange for nothing. She saw it as an easy route to being an American A-lister. Then she was disappointed with the reality.

So she turns around and breaks this unwritten agreement by moaning about their horrible lives and calling the British public a bunch of racists. Any Royal that did this would be instantly hated, and were it a senior Royal it could easily result in the removal of the Royal Family.

If a British woman married a US President, said how awful it was living in the White House, then dragged him back to England and called the Americans all racists, she'd be incredibly unpopular in the US.

The Palace needs to stay quiet. No communication to feed the fire. Although Harry will doubtless reframe that as proof of their exclusion.
I’d like Beatrice or Eugine to invite them all for Christmas though. That would be fun.

All those wondering what they are going to do after netflix etc they are always going to be feted in the USA as global abassadors for anti racism, donchaknow!

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Those are my thoughts too. I feel very sad for all Harry went through growing up. It doesn’t matter whether you are privileged or not, having your parents in a miserable fucked-up marriage, both having affairs, being dragged from one palace to another, weird holidays with your mothers lover and then your DM dying being chased by paps, is likely to cause serious MH issues along with bitter resentments, confusion, anger etc. The fact that all this horrible stuff was then played out in public and across every part of the media is unimaginable.

Hes repeating patterns - trying to get a second chance at protecting a woman he adores and doing it well this time, playing all his grievances and misery out across every part of the media in multiple interviews, articles etc. it’s just very sad. And just like it was for his parents, the fallout from it is likely to do more harm than good.

Harry will always be okay. People will always pay to have him speak at something, especially if they think they are going to get Royal gossip.

I just find it very sad but can't really get any sympathy, all families goes through lots of stuff like you know normal people and I find Harry's racism things really really weird when he was so racist himself, who the fuck goes to a party in a Nazist uniform especially if you are in the public eye? He was 21 for goodness sake, please address that Harry

Yes, I think you are right. The Royal Family essentially 'belong' to the public. That is the trade off. You don't just get infinite wealth and privilege, multiple huge palaces, the best of everything, without there being some sort of sacrifice. It's clear that Meghan didn't fully understand this, Kate always did.

I don't necessarily think she thought it was a straight ticket to the A list. I can imagine in those first months of them dating, and especially when the relationship became public and her life completely changed, that she did a lot of soul searching to consider if it was worth it. But I also think that her and Harry together thought they were going to revamp the monarchy single handedly, especially around the time of the wedding when their popularity was at an all time high. And the jolt back down to earth as she realised what being a royal wife entailed must have been pretty bumpy! And Kate was probably like 'yeah, this is what it's like I'm afraid' and probably not much help to her, which is why we are seeing the resentment now.

Yes, when you consider everything William and Harry were put through by the adults around them, it's astonishing that they are as seemingly well adjusted as they are really!

I mean, it's some majorly fucked up shit when you think about it isn't it?