The family blame Meghan for it all, really. They absolutely f–king hate her, basically

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A friend of Kate and William’s said: “It’s hard to imagine how devastating the last three years have been for William. The brothers were so close, they had such an incredible bond. It’s impossible really to express what a massive, terrible, ongoing headache this has been for William in the past few years. The family blame Meghan for it all, really. They absolutely f–king hate her, basically. It’s a huge disaster. Growing up the brothers were so close. Harry would do anything to be with William. They lost their mum, and their dad was really disengaged so they had this incredible, incredible bond. Everyone knew it.

“And then Meghan came along. Everyone warned him off her but he wouldn’t listen, and she just ripped him away. The bond is gone, completely gone and this film is just the latest betrayal. William really, really, really hates both of them now. It’s really toxic and destructive for all of them. At the end of the day, they are a family, and their whole family life has been ruined by Meghan. You can’t imagine how bad it really is.”

Thanks for contributing to the thread all, I don't agree with all that's been said but it's good to hear varying points of view.

I'm done watching the documentary now and I found it to be lovely in some parts and overwrought in others. Hopefully people check it out for themselves.

Meghan didn't fully understand this, Kate always did

Yeah, I think this is a big part of it. Meghan, as an American, had a certain idea of what the RF is and what being a member of it would entail and that idea was wrong. Kate was never under any illusions and besides, Kate had years to decide if she really wanted to be a part of the RF, because she and William dated for years before they got engaged. Meghan and Harry had a short, long-distance, secret courtship and so she never got to understand exactly what she was getting into until it was a done deal and that's why the sudden loss of privacy was such a shock for her.

William was wise to advise caution, but Harry had already made his choice and he was in a hurry - by the time he met Meghan he'd been saying in public for years that he really wanted to get married and have a family. He couldn't wait for all that and let's not forget that he blames the media for scaring off his ex-gfs (his nasty temper isn't something he's self-aware enough to admit might also have been a problem), so as well as privacy he had an ulterior motive for keeping Meghan away from the press. The whole thing was a disaster waiting to happen. William could see that, Harry either couldn't or didn't care, because he wanted out and Meghan was his ticket.

I disagree with this. I think they want the RF to speak out, as there is believe it or not more to say. Meghan is incredibly articulate and smart - so they are treading carefully.
The RF are reluctant to respond in any unequivocally meaningful way not because they are dignified or other cobblers excuses but because they know that M&H could open an even bigger can of worms for them - which would probably surprise some of the supporters of the monarchy.
M was not treated well when she was here and doesn't have the same allegiance to the UK as other royal wives, and Harry just doesn't give a F** as he feels they haven't treated him very well either.
There was a White British newspaper editor on the radio yesterday who agreed that M had been treated appallingly by the British Press and gave examples, similar examples to what is often brushed aside on MN

Harry and Meghan are trying to peddle a narrative that Catherine is nothing more than a stepford royal wife rather than the warm wife and mother she is.

The general public don’t know anything at Catherine other than she actively pursued William, she married William, she seems to like sports, and she’s good at smiling and not doing/saying anything controversial. Nobody knows anything apart from that.

I think I know (and it was meghan who highlighted it) that kate can separate her sense of her self from what the public thinks of her.

In a way I understand meghan better, I get upset by not being liked. But then, I'm not so "ambitious" (her word) so I upset far fewer people but people not liking you and giving all of your thoughts words and deeds a negative interpretation isn't pleasant. But I think I know that kate can "allow" the public to have whatever perception of her they wish. She even said something in her engagement interview about so long as she knew she had done her best and worked hard, she would be ok (because ... unsaid, her standard is her own?)

They've done the interview circuit, the book, and now a Netflix series. I'm really curious what will come next.

They'll do interviews and write a book about the unfair public reactions to their interviews, book and Netflix series. But I doubt that they'll be able to live off repeating this ad infinitum and being some kind of anti racist and/or environmental ambassadors in the long term.

Americans are already getting bored with them. I checked a few US newspapers yesterday and there was hardly a mention of the Netflix series. It's mostly a few TV channels that seem to be driving the frenzy, but they'll move on to something else in due course.

So she turns around and breaks this unwritten agreement by moaning about their horrible lives and calling the British public a bunch of racists.

To be fair, the level of press intrusion was appalling (way beyond what the public can reasonably expect) and a fair few of the stories were racist. The main problem was that the royal family as a whole know that the best way to handle the press is to refuse to be baited. Harry and Meghan didn't want to take that approach. I think the old adage "don't pick a fight with someone who buys ink by the barrel" would have served them better.

I don't think Meghan was at all prepared for the onslaught, nor that her own family would start selling stories to the American media too. That must have been very difficult to take, and I don't doubt that she needed mental health support.

ps, and meghan's perception that the media dragging kate for a decade was somehow different is lacking in empathy. Kate had been trolled for so long that the interviewer at their engagement interview even asked Kate how would she deal with negative press/reactions -kate said quietly but kind of firmly that so long as she knew she had done her best she would be ok.

The same question wasn't put to Meghan in her engagement interview and it would have been a really interesting one.

I agree that she was treated appallingly by the media that caters to the most bigoted sectors of the population. There is no denial there was an element of racism in the way she was initially rejected or over judged by some sectors of the population but…

Honestly, she is full of shit. The first thing you learn when you join another culture is that things would not be the same at home, neither can you transfer the freedoms of living in a household with certain financial restrictions to fit the structure of what is possibly the most affluent and tradition based family in the planet.

I am mixed race, we all wonder how babies will look when we mix further, there is no way I would be dressed in expensive rags to meet my partner’s aristocratic family. And that that massive lie that she didn’t search Harry online… does she think the world is totally stupid?

And that thing that Britain is racist… yes it is but compared to the rest of the world, our society is more tolerant and better integrated. There is discrimination like everywhere else but then is minor compared to other countries particularly if we compare it with the vast majority of states in the USA.

I was with her until she started telling so many lies, now… I just see a Narcissist running a shit show to acquire not money, equality (she wouldn’t be calling herself a duchess so insistently if she were) she is only, like a good narcissist… looking for fame and status primarily… whatever it takes.

I wont be watching. Heard it all before. Same old moaning. Still they made the headlines and loads of money. So job done.

Americans are already getting bored with them. I checked a few US newspapers yesterday and there was hardly a mention of the Netflix series. It's mostly a few TV channels that seem to be driving the frenzy, but they'll move on to something else in due course.

Bored? Hardly a mention? But then you mention a frenzy - can't be all 3 surely? Just because you want it to be true, doesn't make it so.

Clearly the royal family is dangerous and being born into it is akin to abuse.

Which is exactly why a leak wouldn't be to them.

Because the risk with leaking is that the outlet decides that the fact of the leak is a more important story than the contents of what's being leaked. It's done via reasonably trusted press contacts.

Also, W&K don't seem to have leaky friends. So I suspect this is something largely made up, possibly from someone claiming an acquaintanceship, bigging up what's already on the rumour mill.

Agree, I had a call from an American friend saying how unfair it us that Britain is choosing to keep “their colonies” and that it was preposterous that such poor countries still had to pay taxes to us when they would have been allowed to become independent years ago. 😁 (Obviously, there’s Scotland but that’s another thread)
Meghan is also banking in the ignorance of her own people.

Another credible publication!

It’s his brother at the end of the day, I doubt William hates Harry. More likely he’s raging that Harry and Meghan are continuing with this never ending drama which jeopardises his future.

William and Kate aren’t able to say what they think. I imagine they might feel about Meghan much how the Queen Mother felt about Wallis Simpson. Everything was fine before she came along..

It must be hard for William to accept that his brother is now lost to him after being so close. Probably hard for both of them. Will they ever be able to come back from this though.

@loislovesstewie

Perhaps he could have stayed in the army? I don't know how that would work,

Rumour has it (and would be interested to hear if others have heard this) that it was made clear to him that if he wanted to stay in beyond his early thirties then he would have had to follow a regular full time career path.

He would not be allowed to stay in simply to play the role of part time dashing Captain Prince H, junior Officer with mornings spent with the lads doing a bit of soldiering in London, afternoons off for polo, evenings off for film premieres.

Staying in as a regular would also have meant he would have been required to study for promotion/exams and there would have been full exposure to the deployments/detachments/duties that every other officer in the regiment would be expected to enjoy/endure.

Should, not would

id hate her too and wouldnt be impressed with him-they said they werent going to use their mother in anything then harry went and di it anyway

im sure being a royal is very hard some days but to just throw away everything for what

I think the biggest thing is the media’s total vendetta against her, the racist undertones and nothing being done about it , yes other wife’s girlfriends had stick but Harry’s was/is protective of this after what happened to his mother , I think the media has a lot more to do with this than the actual royal family itself, I also love how people seem to absolutely slate her but Andrew has barely had a mention after his doings…… I think they would of been better just leaving and having a quiet life thou and staying out of the media, I do th

It's true though isn't it?

Kate does come across as a stepford wife - nothing wrong with that of course, but it's mad that she's lauded as some sort of example to us all when she basically keeps her mouth shut and smiles. In 2022 we should be beyond praising a woman just because she looks good on a man's arm.

Peoples main problem with Meghan seems to be that she actually speaks! She's supposed to soak up the inches of press negativity towards her, including stories which have been blatantly leaked by the palace, and just smile and look pretty. Fuck that!

There is a market for this kind of tittle tattle in the US, and there are TV channels and publications (People, US, National Enquirer) that cater to this market. The people who buy this stuff are equally interested in the Clooneys, Jennifer Aniston, Ben Affleck and whoever he's married to today, et cetera.

However, unlike other celebrities, H & M have no other income stream apart from selling themselves and their 'truth'. What are they going to do to fund their extravagant lifestyle in the long term?

Ironic that they bang on about mental health (theirs) with never a thought about how their antics may be impacting on the mental health of their families.

I don't know a huge amount about this because I try and stay away from it as it usually carries awful comments but.. I feel like people forget that Harry is a grown man. It's like people seem to think that Meghan is holding him prisoner and the press make up all sorts of weird stories to make it seem like he can't escape or isn't happy when in reality nobody actually knows that he isn't making all these decisions himself or what is going on behind closed doors. I find it really hard to hate people like Meghan when everything is a conspiracy about them. I don't know why people care so much to make it so negative. In the press I mean.

It seemed to massively turn sour when she refused to drag her postnatal body to the steps of the maternity hospital to appease the waiting media. Why the fuck should she?

They have always been a target by the nutters - most new mums of PFB go over the top to protect their tiny babies - yet she was considered unreasonable to not want to be part of the circus.

If she'd posted on MN she would've got a 100% YANBU - but that story came to the public ears through the medias filter and she was slagged off for doing what most of us would naturally want to do 🤷🏻‍♀️

Couldn't agree more @MarieIVanArkleStinks