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The family blame Meghan for it all, really. They absolutely f–king hate her, basically

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tatala · 08/12/2022 13:37

Let's discuss.

A friend of Kate and William’s said: “It’s hard to imagine how devastating the last three years have been for William. The brothers were so close, they had such an incredible bond. It’s impossible really to express what a massive, terrible, ongoing headache this has been for William in the past few years. The family blame Meghan for it all, really. They absolutely f–king hate her, basically. It’s a huge disaster. Growing up the brothers were so close. Harry would do anything to be with William. They lost their mum, and their dad was really disengaged so they had this incredible, incredible bond. Everyone knew it.

“And then Meghan came along. Everyone warned him off her but he wouldn’t listen, and she just ripped him away. The bond is gone, completely gone and this film is just the latest betrayal. William really, really, really hates both of them now. It’s really toxic and destructive for all of them. At the end of the day, they are a family, and their whole family life has been ruined by Meghan. You can’t imagine how bad it really is.”

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ParentsTrapped · 09/12/2022 11:37

username8888 · 09/12/2022 09:42

Don't believe a word of that from an unarmed source.

However harry himself says the men of the RF are pushed to marry a certain type of women who fit the mould. This is a dig at his dad and William. Harry and Meghan are trying to peddle a narrative that Catherine is nothing more than a stepford royal wife rather than the warm wife and mother she is. She does have to conform to a royal image and I hope this is relaxed more in the coming years. Meghan is trying to say she is a free spirit in ripped jeans and Catherine a stuffy boring clothes horse. All this from their own mouths in the documentary not an unnamed source

Yes I thought it was quite striking that in their engagement announcement video Harry volunteered that “Catherine has been amazing, William too” and Meghan agreed. It wasn’t in response to a specific question and really seemed like he meant it, and very much focused on Kate with William more of an afterthought. Of course now Meghan seems to be rewriting history to suggest the opposite.

loislovesstewie · 09/12/2022 11:42

Where it started to go wrong was the nonsense statement that Meghan was in labour when Archie had been born. They could have just put out a statement to say he had arrived and left it at that. The problem with trying to cloud the issue, for whatever reason is that people then start to doubt every story.

Bugeyedowl · 09/12/2022 11:45

loislovesstewie · 09/12/2022 07:38

But they don't have to be at loggerheads, do they? They could still be friendly towards one another, see one another ,have a relationship? It's not either/or ,is it?

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Yes, of course. But they are both grown adult men and could sort it between themselves, couldn't they? Instead it's all Meghan's fault, she's keeping them apart etc etc. As if two grown men can't make their own choices about whether to get on or not.

mrs55 · 09/12/2022 11:51

lemmein · 09/12/2022 11:35

It seemed to massively turn sour when she refused to drag her postnatal body to the steps of the maternity hospital to appease the waiting media. Why the fuck should she?

They have always been a target by the nutters - most new mums of PFB go over the top to protect their tiny babies - yet she was considered unreasonable to not want to be part of the circus.

If she'd posted on MN she would've got a 100% YANBU - but that story came to the public ears through the medias filter and she was slagged off for doing what most of us would naturally want to do 🤷🏻‍♀️

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Exactly! If a man came onto mums net and said you know my wife is getting some racist comments made from family members other people and my brother is just sitting back and saying nothing or supporting me mumsnet would go nuts. Forget the royal family part I think Harry wants a brother who’s going to stick by his side no matter what and defend him you can’t speak out in the rf but it doesn’t make it any better, that it wouldn’t hurt your feelings , royal family or not there’s no way I’d let anyone hassle my brother/brothers wife the way the media did and say/do nothing , should they just accept it because that’s the way it is….. there’s a lot through history that was just oh that’s the way it was doesn’t make it right. They arnt all saints sitting there with no wrong doings, the queens husband used to take his fancy bit off shore to a little Scotland island for days, we all know about Charles and there’s been heavy rumours of William cheating….. and don’t get me started on Andrew. The money from Saudi lets all just brush all that under the rug thou🙄 the queen was the only royal member left who had some respect etc from a lot of people and now she’s gone I think it’s going to slowly fall apart all by it’s self.

mpsw · 09/12/2022 11:54

notimagain · 09/12/2022 11:18

@loislovesstewie

Perhaps he could have stayed in the army? I don't know how that would work,

Rumour has it (and would be interested to hear if others have heard this) that it was made clear to him that if he wanted to stay in beyond his early thirties then he would have had to follow a regular full time career path.

He would not be allowed to stay in simply to play the role of part time dashing Captain Prince H, junior Officer with mornings spent with the lads doing a bit of soldiering in London, afternoons off for polo, evenings off for film premieres.

Staying in as a regular would also have meant he would have been required to study for promotion/exams and there would have been full exposure to the deployments/detachments/duties that every other officer in the regiment would be expected to enjoy/endure.

You're right in parts. Yes it would have meant doing his stint in desk jobs, and yes it would have meant passing training/exams at key points (some of which are 'up or out' - if you've not merited promotion to rank X by length of service Y' then you will be required to leave).

He did not seem to be attracted to that. And he's far from alone in enjoying the 'hands on' early part of the career, but not being attracted to the more senior staff and command roles.

Yes, he got time off for royal duties, but not for extra playtime IYSWIM. The military is quite good at that - not just royals but also elite sports men and women.

JedEye · 09/12/2022 11:55

Bugeyedowl · 09/12/2022 11:45

Yes, of course. But they are both grown adult men and could sort it between themselves, couldn't they? Instead it's all Meghan's fault, she's keeping them apart etc etc. As if two grown men can't make their own choices about whether to get on or not.

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Hopefully they will one day.

In the meantime it’s a bun fight, well Harry is currently lobbing buns!

antelopevalley · 09/12/2022 11:57

@username8888 You yourself say the Royal men have to marry a certain type of women. You specifically say "She does have to conform to a royal image" when referring to Kate. Kate is expected to behave in a certain way. So why is it such a strange idea that William would be pushed into marrying a woman who can behave in that way?

wickerhearth · 09/12/2022 11:58

Well they got exactly what they wanted- attention from everyone.

AnotherLogOnTheFire · 09/12/2022 12:08

wickerhearth · 09/12/2022 11:58

Well they got exactly what they wanted- attention from everyone.

And everyone seems interested - so looks like it's a win:win.

Bugeyedowl · 09/12/2022 12:09

I think Meghan was blindsided by the fact that being Royal Princess in the 21st century is nothing like in the fairy tales of Old

I think Meghan may also have believed that her status in the RF would be much higher than it actually is

Wow, what a ridiculous amount of conjecture.

FlowerArranger · 09/12/2022 12:10

AnotherLogOnTheFire · 09/12/2022 12:08

And everyone seems interested - so looks like it's a win:win.

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For now...

How long can you see this playing out though...

notimagain · 09/12/2022 12:10

@mpsw

Thanks for the reply.

Yes, he got time off for royal duties, but not for extra playtime IYSWIM. The military is quite good at that - not just royals but also elite sports men and women.

Yep, saw a bit of the latter in my time in HM Forces (and also remember the disruption being a bod short could cause).

Mind you that was in the days when being a sportsperson wasn't a full time occupation and some VSOs saw having a international (name sport of your choice) person on the unit strength as being a feather in their cap....

ATB.

Bollindger · 09/12/2022 12:35

Harry and Meghan tell lies.
Oprah is our neighbour. Check on Google maps folks there is a small city between the 2 houses.
Meghan doesn't speak to any family.
Now Harry isn't speaking to his, that only took 5 years.
When , they got married , some guy in a funny hate said oh she wasn't married before the big day.
Harry ,we got cut off by dad, he was an ADULT with millions in the bank.
Harry is a joke, not a megastar, by do you think there are so many parodies of them on YouTube.

ZeViteVitchofCwismas · 09/12/2022 12:41

@Georgeskitchen

Good summation.

Perhaps Harry felt patronised by William and didn't need his caution and translate that as not liked.

I think and hope Harry and Megan find their way and start to do stuff.

nookierookie · 09/12/2022 12:47

@lemmein

But isn't that the point? I mean, one of the reasons that the queen was so popular is that everyone could claim her because no one actually knew what she thought. If you have a head of state who tells you their opinion all the time, then really they need to be elected. Because at some point your opinion won't be in line with your subjects. This is a pattern in every one of the European constitutional monarchies - they choose uncontroversial causes and try not to make waves.

Unfortunately, this is what makes Meghan a poor choice of Royal, though I think there's nothing wrong with her as a person - she is a campaigner, and she can do that far more effectively from the States where she can use her voice. I wish her well, truly. I think she and Harry thought they could have their cake and eat it and took a bit of a wrong turn, but there is a fundamental issue, which is why the queen rejected the half in half out model because it simply isn't the way it works constitutionally. Harry should have known this - it is understandable that Meghan did not.

Harry and Meghan are naturally wired towards emotion - a bit hot headed, but good at compassion and connecting with people; the Royal Family is the opposite, because they have to be to try to guarantee longevity (if you speak out on an issue too loudly and then are proven wrong later, it is a bad look) but they look cold by comparison. They are two different approaches - neither is wrong and both can be appropriate. The issue is that each side has lost empathy and respect for the other because both sides doubled down on their preferred approach - royal family battens down the hatches and clams up, whilst H+M get angry and lash out.

I don't think that this needed to fall apart so spectacularly, and I think that both sides are responsible for this, but I think that everyone has ended up where they should be - it's just a shame that this wasn't better handled. Had Harry and Meghan been given a quiet anonymous couple of years post-wedding like will and Kate, there would have been more breathing room to work through some of this stuff instead of doing it in the glare of the press, which fanned the flames. Not to mention the racism and nastiness that Meghan definitely did suffer. I think it is wrong to attribute everything to racism within the royal family, because the bigger picture is a constitutional clash of values.

loislovesstewie · 09/12/2022 12:57

As I recall Meghan said she would hit the ground running, and I thought at the time that was a mistake. Had she taken a back seat, eased gently into it, been prepared to listen, I think things would have gone better. I'm going to say it again, but she reminded me of a new employee who won't listen to the whys and wherefores of a job. I've met a few who just don't get it and then wonder why people are ripping their hair out when the proverbial hits the fan.

antelopevalley · 09/12/2022 13:00

@loislovesstewie I have never known a workplace where you are gently eased into a job. You are expected to work from the beginning. Meghan was clear this was what she meant.

lemmein · 09/12/2022 13:01

nookierookie · 09/12/2022 12:47

@lemmein

But isn't that the point? I mean, one of the reasons that the queen was so popular is that everyone could claim her because no one actually knew what she thought. If you have a head of state who tells you their opinion all the time, then really they need to be elected. Because at some point your opinion won't be in line with your subjects. This is a pattern in every one of the European constitutional monarchies - they choose uncontroversial causes and try not to make waves.

Unfortunately, this is what makes Meghan a poor choice of Royal, though I think there's nothing wrong with her as a person - she is a campaigner, and she can do that far more effectively from the States where she can use her voice. I wish her well, truly. I think she and Harry thought they could have their cake and eat it and took a bit of a wrong turn, but there is a fundamental issue, which is why the queen rejected the half in half out model because it simply isn't the way it works constitutionally. Harry should have known this - it is understandable that Meghan did not.

Harry and Meghan are naturally wired towards emotion - a bit hot headed, but good at compassion and connecting with people; the Royal Family is the opposite, because they have to be to try to guarantee longevity (if you speak out on an issue too loudly and then are proven wrong later, it is a bad look) but they look cold by comparison. They are two different approaches - neither is wrong and both can be appropriate. The issue is that each side has lost empathy and respect for the other because both sides doubled down on their preferred approach - royal family battens down the hatches and clams up, whilst H+M get angry and lash out.

I don't think that this needed to fall apart so spectacularly, and I think that both sides are responsible for this, but I think that everyone has ended up where they should be - it's just a shame that this wasn't better handled. Had Harry and Meghan been given a quiet anonymous couple of years post-wedding like will and Kate, there would have been more breathing room to work through some of this stuff instead of doing it in the glare of the press, which fanned the flames. Not to mention the racism and nastiness that Meghan definitely did suffer. I think it is wrong to attribute everything to racism within the royal family, because the bigger picture is a constitutional clash of values.

Well there's nothing I disagree with in that post @nookierookie, how annoying! 😅👏🏻👏🏻

Elsiebear90 · 09/12/2022 13:03

I think Meghan is the type to look for offence in everything, they’ve been found out to be blatantly lying and misrepresenting things to make his family look bad so I don’t trust a word they say.

Constantly bashing his family publicly for money doesn’t look great either. They lost my support when they did the Oprah interview and he was complaining about how hard done by he was because despite being a multi millionaire he wasn’t going to be financially supported by his family anymore, which was 100% his choice when he decided to not be a working royal. They also said they believe Archie didn’t get a royal title because he’s mixed race when it was decided long before he even got with Meghan that any child he had wouldn’t. I don’t blame her for everything because he’s a grown man, but I definitely think she enjoys being the victim and now so does he. I wonder if she’s tapped into his insecurities and jealousy around being known as the “spare” and less important than his brother, Kate and their family because William is next in for the throne, and that’s where most of this stems from.

loislovesstewie · 09/12/2022 13:12

antelopevalley · 09/12/2022 13:00

@loislovesstewie I have never known a workplace where you are gently eased into a job. You are expected to work from the beginning. Meghan was clear this was what she meant.

Actually I have. Nobody in their right mind would have allowed a complete newby to do the job I did without suitable training and supervision for some while. I have assisted with that, coaching them, helping them to make decisions and comply with the legal aspects of the work. Not doing the job correctly would have resulted in Judicial reviews, the Ombudsman and /or compensation, so it was important that staff understood that there was a right way and cutting corners caused issues. Notwithstanding that there was always one who thought that they could do it differently. And that's when it went wrong.

TaraRhu · 09/12/2022 13:17

What's hard to discern us how genuine M is. If someone came into your brother's life like a whirlwind and had an extremely fast moving intense relationship you'd be worried. Especially when your brother is very rich and somewhat vulnerable. H previous relationships seemingly didn't progress like this and his obsession somewhat intense and out of character.

She is very polished, forward and outgoing and her mannerisms Translate as fake to British people who are culturally more reserved. Her job, involved self promotion and networking so it's easy to cast her as someone who is a social climber. Plus imo she's out of his league. Smart, educated, attractive and with her own money. Harry is a dear in her headlights.

But this is how some me react when they are scoring above their station. Stupidly.

The question i have is whether she fell for him in the same way? Or whether she fell for the status?

Either way, I think Harry is a plonker. I also question by Meghan doesn't actually hold HIM to account over her experience joining the firm. She didn't understand the protocols o hierarchy but he did. He was born into it. Why didn't he explain it to her? Why did he expect exceptions would be made for her - like fetching the tiara at last minute for her to try? He could have got her mental health support. He didn't. He just let her fail and rub people up te wrong way - presumably because he was too dazzled to risk upsetting her.

So William s pal should blame Harry for being a sad little boy who's too gutless to stand up to his wife.

barneshome · 09/12/2022 13:26

Why take any interest in someone family squabbles
Who on earth cares

CuordiMela765 · 09/12/2022 13:29

mrs55 · 09/12/2022 11:25

I think the biggest thing is the media’s total vendetta against her, the racist undertones and nothing being done about it , yes other wife’s girlfriends had stick but Harry’s was/is protective of this after what happened to his mother , I think the media has a lot more to do with this than the actual royal family itself, I also love how people seem to absolutely slate her but Andrew has barely had a mention after his doings…… I think they would of been better just leaving and having a quiet life thou and staying out of the media, I do th

I totally agree @mrs55

If you look at the front page of the Fail today it is full of bile and hated. Completely without any balance. And our view of H & M has largely been filtered through newspapers like that and journalists like Piers Morgan who almost froths at the mouth he is so full of hatred for Meghan.

I mean, I don’t know why the majority of Mumsnetters are not pro-Meghan simply on the grounds that Piers Morgan and the Mail are so massively against her? Who needs any more reasons frankly?

How dare she be a strong, confident, mixed race woman who stands up for herself?

I am sorry to say that the racism and misogyny are alive and well in modern Britain.

Bollindger · 09/12/2022 13:29

The major problem is Catherine stands by her man.
Meghan as seen on occasions push Harry out of the way to go first.
The claw she uses on him and the do as you are told looks and touches are famous.

JemimaTiggywinkles · 09/12/2022 13:34

How dare she be a strong, confident, mixed race woman who stands up for herself?

She can be, and is. But you cannot be that and be in the royal family. Members of the royal family cannot complain too loudly or everyone gets pissed off (as has happened here). And, for the royal family, the public getting pissed off with them is an existential crisis.