The family blame Meghan for it all, really. They absolutely f–king hate her, basically

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A friend of Kate and William’s said: “It’s hard to imagine how devastating the last three years have been for William. The brothers were so close, they had such an incredible bond. It’s impossible really to express what a massive, terrible, ongoing headache this has been for William in the past few years. The family blame Meghan for it all, really. They absolutely f–king hate her, basically. It’s a huge disaster. Growing up the brothers were so close. Harry would do anything to be with William. They lost their mum, and their dad was really disengaged so they had this incredible, incredible bond. Everyone knew it.

“And then Meghan came along. Everyone warned him off her but he wouldn’t listen, and she just ripped him away. The bond is gone, completely gone and this film is just the latest betrayal. William really, really, really hates both of them now. It’s really toxic and destructive for all of them. At the end of the day, they are a family, and their whole family life has been ruined by Meghan. You can’t imagine how bad it really is.”

Why even discuss this, given the source?

to me this sounds like friend may have an opinion and she was telling this to another friend.

Harry didn't seem to have any complaints before she came along other than being and behaving like the usual spoilt brat he is.

I haven’t watched their reality show and am not going to but I have heard she talks about that washing up advert again - that’s really not normal is it? That alone would have me questioning her personality. It’s one thing to retell the same story to different people out of the public eye (a friend, then a colleague at work, then a stranger on the train) but on public platforms over and over again as if it’s the first time you’ve told it is just plain bizarre. Something just doesn’t sit right with me about her personality (or rather, lack of).

Why do people believe this shit!? 🤣

What washing up advert?

First I heard of it was via the Netflix show and I think it is something to be proud of, who cares if she talks about it more than once?

Y haven’t seen the docuseries yet, but I like Meghan. I think Harry was right to leave. I have become anti royal as I’ve got older. Especially the stupid grins and public shit

I think being a proven liar says an awful lot about her.

William didn't want him to repeat the mistakes of his parents, marrying too quickly without getting to know each other properly. That, in my book, is sensible advice. Charles and Diana did not get married quickly because they were head over heels in love though - Charles needed to find a wife and Camila who he really wanted to be with was unsuitable - the situation is not the same.

That source is garbage but I do think there are many odd things about H and M. They say they want privacy and reduced media intrusion and they want to separate from the royal family- totally understandable. Yet, the only projects they have actually done in terms of being completed and bringing in money have been to bang on about how awful the RF is- why? if you truly wanted to separate then why not move on with your lives and create something positive? Every book, interview and series has been based on maligning the very family they said they wanted to remove themselves from. How much longer can they milk this? what will be next, another series about their appalling relatives? another book whining on about how awfully theyve been treated? more interviews? Of course they have a right to tell their story but they have done that now surely? This is getting really tired and tedious now and the more it goes on, the less legitimate they are appearing. I'd like to see them create a project that was positive and not solely about their victim-hood, which is especially ill timed considering how many people are struggling financially at the moment.

I think it’s quite clear to see that Harry has been very troubled and unhappy for a long time.

Mums of adult sons, may well agree with this tbh..

Quite. Some would argue it is William who has made the same mistake as his parents (well, his father!) if stories broadcast around the world, but interestingly not in this country, were to be believed.

Interesting take. We obviously will never have any idea how William feels about it. But I remember at the time the exit was initially announced hearing one of the BBC royal correspondents say that the idea that William and Harry had ever been really close simply wasn't true - that they were always so different in personality and on different paths. They just played up to the 'Diana's boys' thing because that's what the public wanted.

And that the exit was driven by Harry and his absolute hate for the (tabloid) media rather than by Meghan. Which I think really comes across in everything he's said and done since leaving. You can't really blame him. Even if the temptation is to cry 'but it's not like that any more' - it sounds like the stress of press intrusion was one of the defining features of his childhood and he blames the media for the death of his mother. The sections in the documentary which speak about him having to 'perform' for the press and the idea of the uneasy truce between the media and the royals were interesting -- we're meant to believe now it is mostly amicable and on the royals' terms but there's still this slightly threatening tone of 'give us what we want or we'll take more'. And of course the international press doesn't play by the same rules when you see how stressed they are by being followed by 'just' one pap. I can imagine having a child actually being the spark for deciding any level of intrusion is too much. Blake Lively and Sophie Turner have recently spoken about the stress of having their children followed by paps.

At the end of the day if it wasn't her it would have been one of the others. They dug as much dirt as they possibly could on all of his x girlfriends, she was the one who stuck with him.

The press hounded his mother to death and they just never gave up with the boys once she died. Diana was used as a vessel to produce an heir to the throne, once she did, she was no use. Charlie boy was free to run back to Camilla and she was just thrown to the lions.

Harry has had the foresight to take his family out of the picture within the Royal family before they're all hounded to death as well. So what if they want to sell their story. And before anyone comments 'they didn't want to press intrusion', they wanted to do it their way. They're always going to have the press hounding them and personally I think they were right to put their side across.

On the other hand, I cant understand how and why the focus isn't on the peado prince who is still being protected by the Royal family. Surly what he has done is much much worse than a young man protecting his family. Doesn't that tell you how corrupt an institution it is?

My sons have a mind of their own and are responsible for their own choices. Not going to blame the woman in their life.

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Exactly!

I agree. I had severe PND and was suicidal and while I didn't have the wherewithal at that point to get help for myself, thankfully DH did. And he hadn't had therapy himself and worked with mental health professionals like Harry had! No way would he have taken someone saying no and just left it at that. He was arranging GP appointments, calling my HV endlessly until they got back to him, pushing for the perinatal mental health referral etc. Meghan presumably had private antenatal care, one call to them could have arranged help for her surely.
I'm not defending the inaction of others they spoke to (even if it wasn't their job, at a human level they could have given some support, pointed her in the right direction etc) but I don't understand how Harry doesn't get the criticism as well.

What I see is its really not one set is the bad guys and one set is the good guys - it’s a messy, sad situation filled with ego, misunderstandings, meddling, tit for tat, and pride - toxicity (like this article) being played out in public unfortunately.

You’ve got it all wrong, pantomime doesn’t work like that!

the Good Guys: Wondeful Wil, St Catherine of Wardrobe Perfection, and King Charming and his dashing bride. the Bad Guys: Malcious Meghan and Horrid Harry. Booo!!!!

It’s also possible that her two sons don’t process things in identical fashions, especially given that one is elevated above the other as heir to the thrown and one referred to as the spare.
perhaps Williams way of dealing with the loss of his mother is to be “the perfect prince”, not step out of line, do things the “right” way, the way his own parents failed too. Maybe he feels this path will keep him and his family safe from similar harm.

possibly Harry feels the opposite. He blames the institution for not stepping in and protecting his mother, protecting him as a child. So he is refusing to be the perfect prince and he is highlighting all of the ways he believes the institution as a business is wrong, and he feels this will keep his family safe from the harm his mother suffered.

having two children from the same family react in very different ways to trauma is perfectly normal. It’s just not acted out on a global stage.

So much this. Absolutely agree.

Yes, I think Harry has major issues, understandably.

Meghan definitely represents a 'second chance' to protect someone he loves in the way he couldn't with his Mum.

William and Harry have been through so much together and it is sad to see that thry have clearly grown apart and a bond has been broken, but then again that's just families isn't it? We are all people, this kind of stuff happens in a lot of families so why would they be any different?

Diana was not under royal protection when she died by her choice her decision due to the lies Bashir told her she was paranoid enough to believe it she had been having clear mental health difficulties for years according to her own sons! Locking herself in the bathroom William pushing notes under the door her using him as an emotional crutch it wasn't good for him his wife's family are more stable than his own they have always been close and that upsets Charles

Harry chose different more drama induced faster lifestyle they spent time together every two weeks then suddenly engaged marriage having a baby its no wonder William was concerned his parents didn't really know each other and got married his grandparents had issues mother had issues mother tried to kill herself while pregnant history may be repeating itself and its nothing to do with the press

*It’s also possible that her two sons don’t process things in identical fashions, especially given that one is elevated above the other as heir to the thrown and one referred to as the spare.
perhaps Williams way of dealing with the loss of his mother is to be “the perfect prince”, not step out of line, do things the “right” way, the way his own parents failed too. Maybe he feels this path will keep him and his family safe from similar harm.

possibly Harry feels the opposite. He blames the institution for not stepping in and protecting his mother, protecting him as a child. So he is refusing to be the perfect prince and he is highlighting all of the ways he believes the institution as a business is wrong, and he feels this will keep his family safe from the harm his mother suffered.

having two children from the same family react in very different ways to trauma is perfectly normal. It’s just not acted out on a global stage.*

The second child is always more ballsy!