Page 19 | Am shocked Meghan said this…

Doubtmyself · 08/12/2022 13:17

RLScott · 08/12/2022 13:10

There is also a cultural difference with regard to race. In America, a race based society, race is front and centre of everything, in the U.K. it barely registers, hence her having to “teach” Harry about racism.

Rishi Sunak the first British Asian PM...no-one in the U.K. batted an eyelid, an equivalent of this in race based America it would be headline news.

America invented no race mixing (anti-miscengation). H&M are in the belly of the beast as it was illegal to marry outside your race in California until Post WWII (even then only 3% approved, with Sammy Davis Jr forced to give up a relationship with a white woman after being told he would be killed). This is Abraham Lincoln from 1858:

“There is a physical difference between the white and the black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together... while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any man am in favor having the superior position assigned to the white race.”

www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-quotes-statesmen-race-idUSKBN2471YA

And Lincoln (although racist) is one of the more tolerant US presidents in regard to other races. Two of the twelve slave owning presidents, Washington and Jefferson, for example, were both monsters. Jefferson (in the source above) wrote “blacks are inferior to the whites in the endowments of body and mind”.

When you come from this race based environment (even the US anthem (written by slave owning Francis Scott Key) is racist with a verse excoriating the blacks removed) you see EVERYTHING through the lens of race.

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Rishi Sunak the first British Asian PM...no-one in the U.K. batted an eyelid, an equivalent of this in race based America it would be headline new

He was voted in by a handful of his own party MP's in a desperate act after Liz Truss was booted out ( the winner of the leadership race) FFS.

America voted in a black president. Can you honestly see that happening anytime soon in the UK for fucks sake? As you said, race is ignored in the UK, as a black woman I agree with you, blatant racism is ignored and denied in this country, which has been a slave trading nation longer than the United States existed!

Look at the Windrush scandal, black people who had lived here for 50+ years, from former British colonies deported. Look at the reaction of the England team taking the knee against racism - dismissed as woke , virtue signalling .

You seem to make the suggestion a black British woman wouldn't register racism in the UK , FUCK ME.....

BellePeppa · 08/12/2022 13:18

JRHartley72 · 08/12/2022 12:59

No, I meant so many comments on MN aimed at her are often thinly veiled (and not so) racist attacks. Yet if you call anyone out on it, the response is usually 'oh but I just don't like her'. Yeah right.

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Well I don’t like her and I would swear on the life of my loved ones it has eff all to do with her colour. Could not give a flying f*ck what colour she is, I don’t like her MO and I don’t like his either and he’s as white as they come! I’m sure I am far from alone.

Narwhalsh · 08/12/2022 13:18

People saying this is specific to the RF… it def isn’t! If my grandmother visited and I was in bare feet and ripped jeans she would have something to say-to my face! Ripped jeans are for gardening or the bin 😂

I’m missing the bit where W&K did something wrong? She’s allowed herself to feel self conscious about the situation hasn’t she?

Meghan IBU

healthadvice123 · 08/12/2022 13:19

@Rainbowsinthesky not directly no but you can clearly see by these comments against the RF that it stirs things up
Already people jump on how ridiculous it is , blah blah blah
Yet its fine for Megan to wear jeans ( which it is ) and want to hug people etc , its also fine for the royal family to have their dress code, protocols etc
I mean i take my shoes of in my house but accept others don't have that rule

DuchessDandelion · 08/12/2022 13:20

Ndd135632 · 08/12/2022 09:58

She said: 'Even when Will and Kate came over and I was meeting her for the first time I remember I was in ripped jeans, I was bare foot, like I was a hugger, I have always been a hugger I didn't realise that is really jarring for a lot of Brits.'

'I started to understand that the formality on the outside carried through on the inside, that there is a forward facing way of being and then you close the door and thing OK we can relax now, but that formality carries over on both sides and that was surprising to me.'

What an utterly horrible thing to say about your sister and brother-in-law. I am done with her now. People are DIFFERENT Meghan. We are not all like you you you you.

Omg how dare she

Imagine experiencing culture shock

What a cow(!)

🙄

antelopevalley · 08/12/2022 13:20

@Narwhalsh And would your brother or sister and their partner also react strongly if you as a 36 year old woman was wearing trendy ripped jeans and no shoes in your own house?

ZenNudist · 08/12/2022 13:20

I think whats so terrible is it didn't need saying. She's making money off bitching about a non-issue and people are lapping it up.

She's painting herself as normal, casual, warm and friendly and W&K as uptight and stuffy. He's the future king of England. I'd have just asked Harry how to dress and behave if I'd been her. I certainly wouldn't be leaping to hug them but I'm not a hugger and I don't like my personal space invaded.

CornishGem1975 · 08/12/2022 13:21

I wouldn't hug someone I didn't know on first meeting, nobody does.

ZenNudist · 08/12/2022 13:21

Thinking about hugging why does her desire to hug trump someone else's desire to not be hugged.

Is it OK to say "I'm a groper" and go for the ass!!!

Doubtmyself · 08/12/2022 13:21

BellePeppa · 08/12/2022 13:18

Well I don’t like her and I would swear on the life of my loved ones it has eff all to do with her colour. Could not give a flying f*ck what colour she is, I don’t like her MO and I don’t like his either and he’s as white as they come! I’m sure I am far from alone.

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Hatred for Meghan is a bit like Brexit.

Not everyone who wanted Brexit was racist, many didn't have a racist bone in their bodies, BUT all racists wanted Brexit.

antelopevalley · 08/12/2022 13:22

@Doubtmyself They don't recognise racism. The other thread is even worse for racism.

Cornettoninja · 08/12/2022 13:22

StarbucksSmarterSister · 08/12/2022 13:12

Let's not forget the royals BOW to the Monarch the first time they see her/him that day. Even when it's their mother/granny and now father. Even when there's no one else in the room. These medieval practices should have been ditched years ago unless in a public, formal setting.

It's not Meghan who's weird.

Don’t go to Japan, you’d lose your shit.

StarbucksSmarterSister · 08/12/2022 13:22

Harry should have suggested a change of outfit

They were at his home, why on earth should she dress up? I bet Harry was dressed casually too.

It's just a comment on how different things are.

liarliarshortsonfire · 08/12/2022 13:22

It's just horses for courses and M doesn't seem to realise this. I'd not meet my bf's db and dsil in ripped jeans, I'd also not go in for a hug, that's just me, I can be a bit standoffish until I get to know you, and this could come across as being serious and formal. My dh on the other hand would have turned up in shorts and when introduced would have said 'I'm a hugger' and gone in for a hug. Doesn't make either of us weird or strange, just different from each other.

ImJustMadAboutSaffron · 08/12/2022 13:23

JRHartley72 · 08/12/2022 12:59

No, I meant so many comments on MN aimed at her are often thinly veiled (and not so) racist attacks. Yet if you call anyone out on it, the response is usually 'oh but I just don't like her'. Yeah right.

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I like (for example) A J Odudu, Sophie Wessex, Alexandra Burke, Stevie Wonder, Harry Kane, Chris Ramsey, Will Kirk and Denise Lewis.

I don't like (for example) Shola Mos-Shogbamimu, Rosie Ramsey, Amanda Holden, Ant (don't mind Dec by himself), Alex Beresford, Gary Lineker, Paddy McGuinness or Meghan Markle. All for different reasons.

I'm still able to empathise with, for example, Amanda Holden losing a child, Meghan feeling bullied, AJ getting injured and losing out on the Strictly final.

Work that out.

PrincessConstance · 08/12/2022 13:23

Ndd135632 · 08/12/2022 10:06

When you marry into another nationality you LEARN about that nationality. When you work in a company that interacts with another culture you LEARN about that culture. That she didn’t bother to do that says everything to me. Seriously she was surprised?

She is rude, uneducated, and uncouth about cultural norms. An utter ungracious embarrassment. This whole saga is 101 cringefest.

Heygal · 08/12/2022 13:23

I don’t think there’s an issue in what she wore if it was her house. It’s not strange that she didn’t know (though surprising she didn’t…) it’s more that Harry did not explain all of this to her. If she decided she didn’t want to play a part in the formalities that would then have been her decision but Harry knew full well of what the royal family see as formalities and I’m sure his previous relationships he would have informed them of this.

healthadvice123 · 08/12/2022 13:24

@Doubtmyself yes i can see a black prime minister in the future in the uk why not ? But one has to be in the running first
But plenty of non white MP's so it will happen but just a decent leader full stop would be something)
But people always shouting racism when someone expresses a dislike or even not agrees with something meghan says is not automatically racism
If we think we can never disagree with someone a different race to ourself , where does that leave us ?

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 08/12/2022 13:24

When you marry into another nationality you LEARN about that nationality.

This has nothing to do with nationally and is more about personality.

I’m British and my family love nothing but a good family gathering and a cuddle with no formalities or expectations other than to have a good time.

A family friend is very traditional and wouldn’t dream of hugging in public which I find completely bizarre.

NOTHING of what Megan has said here is bizarre or enough to warrant your dislike of her.

StarbucksSmarterSister · 08/12/2022 13:24

Don’t go to Japan, you’d lose your shit.

But I'd be in Japan wouldn't I? Not my boyfriends house.

And we had Japanese clients at work, I know all about the bowing!

catsandkid · 08/12/2022 13:24

This is just not something I can get worked up about at all. At all. I massively don't care.

Being as interested in H&M for me is the same level as being hugely invested in the lives of Katie Price. I don't know them. I don't care.

antelopevalley · 08/12/2022 13:25

@Heygal So if you were told that your normal clothes were not acceptable for a visit to your home of your boyfriends brother and sister, would you change? Or would you think he was joking or its your home so tough?

RisingSunn · 08/12/2022 13:25

CornishGem1975 · 08/12/2022 13:21

I wouldn't hug someone I didn't know on first meeting, nobody does.

You can’t speak for everyone!

FallingsHowIFeel · 08/12/2022 13:26

OriginalOrchid · 08/12/2022 13:17

But she had not socks on? That's a bit Casual for welcoming guests you have never met into your home? Maybe it's a class thing but I know many upper middle class families who are a bit formal when they get together with the extended family.

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Yes, let’s rush to put socks on, there’s someone visiting and they must not see our toes. 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Could they be fluffy socks? Or are they are too lower/working class? Maybe something designer or would high street be ok. Trainer socks? No wonder mumsnetters just don’t answer the door, it seems easier that way.

antelopevalley · 08/12/2022 13:26

People demanding Meghan change her clothes and put on shoes are forgetting that they were visiting her at her home. Should people have to change clothes to fit in with what guests prefer?