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Netflix prog chat

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clyspa · 08/12/2022 08:22

It's landed - 3 episodes with what I assume is 3 next week.

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RendersMute · 09/12/2022 22:29

The programme portrays England and the RF as hopelessly racist. The Sussexes complain about the RF, the BBC, Brits in general and the Commonwealth, did they mention any other institutions they feel they had a bad experience with? It's a smear campaign. Have they said anything negative about the C of E yet? For people who purportedly promote mental wellbeing and inclusivity, they don't come across aswarm, wise or reconciliatory, actions speak louder than words, they are indignant and resentful. I hope they will find their peace, for their children's sake, after all they are half British.

Abccde · 09/12/2022 22:41

RendersMute · 09/12/2022 22:29

The programme portrays England and the RF as hopelessly racist. The Sussexes complain about the RF, the BBC, Brits in general and the Commonwealth, did they mention any other institutions they feel they had a bad experience with? It's a smear campaign. Have they said anything negative about the C of E yet? For people who purportedly promote mental wellbeing and inclusivity, they don't come across aswarm, wise or reconciliatory, actions speak louder than words, they are indignant and resentful. I hope they will find their peace, for their children's sake, after all they are half British.

I don't mean to be picky. But you talk about England and Britain as if they are the same thing. They are not. I'm no fan of Harry and Meghan but there is a lot of ignorance in the UK.

Colcat · 09/12/2022 23:20

I think perhaps Meghan thought she could make a lot of money as part of the royal family. Money is probably not something Harry ever had to think about whereas Meghan did. She may have been shocked to find she couldn't accept gifts, designer goods etc and while they would have in a position of privilege and wealth they wouldn't have been able to do private deals for millions. Hence they wanted a hybrid model where they could monetise their royal status which of course wasn't acceptable. It seems as if what they are trying to do is create their own brand of royalty to earn money which is dependent on them having a story to tell and they seem full of bitterness and resentment that their grand plan was thwarted.

vera99 · 10/12/2022 00:34

Maybe their truth is just that the truth as much as many here don't want to acknowledge that.

www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2022/12/09/harry-meghan-neither-contrived-nor-fake-what-see-telly-what/

Harry and Meghan are neither contrived nor fake – what you see on telly is what you get in real life

The Sussexes are not asking anybody to like what they say – just to listen to it, if they happen to have a passing interest in the story

There are few certainties in life: death, taxes, the terrible and endless fear that England are going to crash out of a major football tournament on penalties. This week, we can safely add one more to the list: the tabloids being outraged at Harry and Meghan’s titular documentary series on Netflix. “Orf with their heads!” is more or less the verdict – or at the very least, orf with their titles.

On Friday, as the country faced freezing conditions, a cost of living crisis, and a set of strikes that threaten to ruin Christmas, the Conservative MP Bob Seely was busy trying to table a Private Members Bill that would give the Privy Council power to downgrade the couple’s status by adapting the 1917 Titles Deprivation Act, last used against aristocrats who sided with the Germans during the First and Second World Wars. Which, if nothing else, at least makes as compelling an argument about the occasional lunacy of this country as any number of interview hours with historian David Olusoga could.

As it turns out, the Member of Parliament for the Isle of Wight could have saved himself the trouble of trying to table this motion by simply watching the first volume of Liz Garbus’s Netflix series, at which point he would have realised that Harry and Meghan have beaten him to it, by removing their titles themselves. Throughout the three hours currently available on the streaming service, there is none of the pomp or ceremony that the tabloids, and various politicians, are so keen to strip the couple of today. Here we get to see H and M – or Haz and Meg – rather than the Duke of Duchess of Sussex, who have variously been portrayed as hypocritical, money-grabbing, deceitful, and at one point even partly responsible for fuelling drought, murder and human rights abuses after Meghan once had the temerity to admit to liking avocado on toast. “That’s one loaded piece of toast,” she wryly observed in last year’s sit down with Oprah Winfrey. But if that interview had more in the way of headline-grabbing revelations, I think that Garbus’s documentary series has come the closest to capturing the couple as they really are in private.

And I have witnessed them in private quite a lot. Over the past six or so years, I have rather unexpectedly formed a bond with the couple, a bond that I could never have predicted as a member of the media myself. I have had lunch with them, enjoyed transatlantic zooms with them, and even been round to their house for Sunday afternoon tea. And what I have seen during those encounters was reflected pretty faithfully in the three episodes I have watched so far: the Harry and Meghan I know personally are the Harry and Meghan portrayed on screens for anyone with a Netflix subscription to see. It is neither contrived nor fake. What you see on your telly is what you get in real life.

Here we see them as a pretty normal couple in pretty abnormal circumstances. To me, it turns on its head the ever-so-slightly sexist narrative which says that Meghan somehow brainwashed Harry and took him away from his family. It shows what I have long suspected: that he has probably wanted out from the crazy cult of royalty since he was a schoolboy at Eton, and perhaps even as early on as at prep school, when as a nine-year-old boy he was forced to pose for photographs with his brother and cousins while on a skiing holiday in Klosters. In free-spirited Meghan, he not only met his match, but also the catalyst for a process that had been in place since childhood.

The series has prompted many to suggest that the pair have merely swapped one gilded cage for another. It will not surprise Harry and Meghan that the programme has been met with hostility from some sections of the media. I doubt, either, that it will bother the couple too much. For this series is not an attempt to change the hearts and minds of the tabloids; rather, it is an exercise in explaining themselves to the public, in their own words. As Harry himself says early on in episode one: people might fundamentally disagree with what he has done, and the way he has gone about doing it. But he at least wants to be able to explain to those people just why it is he’s done it.
Bryony Gordon with Prince Harry, who chose to tell her the truth about himself for the first time in public on her podcast
Bryony Gordon with Prince Harry, who chose to tell her the truth about himself for the first time in public on her podcast Credit: Andrew Crowley for The Telegraph

I first met Prince Harry in October 2016, when he was in the early stages of his relationship with Meghan Markle. At the time I knew nothing about that relationship – I was just a journalist who wrote a lot about mental illness, and because of that, I had been invited along to an event held in honour of the Heads Together campaign, which was a joint initiative by Harry and his brother and sister-in-law to change the conversation around mental health. Heads Together was to be the official charity partner of the 2017 London Marathon, and I had signed up to run it and raise funds for the campaign. I wanted to do this because my own mental health was, at the time, pretty awful, and I figured being part of it might make me feel better. I had no idea that it would end up leading to the biggest story of my career.

But back to that event in October 2016. It was World Mental Health Day, and a group of us running for Heads Together had been invited along to meet the ‘principles’ at County Hall in central London. I cannot remember what I spoke about with Prince Harry, just that I was very excited that three members of the royal family were shining a light on a dark cause that was very close to my heart. I met the three on a number of occasions over the next few months, even being invited to Kensington Palace for Christmas drinks.

I liked William and Catherine very much – I still do – but I felt a particular connection with Harry, who always seemed fascinated with people’s lived experience of mental illness. Chatting to him about depression and OCD was a bit like chatting to a mate down the pub; I sensed a real personal link to this subject. I had been thinking of starting a podcast in which I spoke to people about mental health, and I took a punt and asked if Harry might consider being my first guest. I was as surprised as anyone when he said yes – and even more surprised when, on the day of the recording, he opened up to me about his own mental health in a way that was utterly unthinkable at the time.
Meghan gives Bryony a hug at the first annual Royal Foundation Forum in 2018
Meghan gives Bryony a hug at the first annual Royal Foundation Forum in 2018 Credit: Reuters

We stayed in touch – he called me shortly after I crossed the marathon finish line, to congratulate me – and I continued to work with Heads Together. In 2018 I was part of the Royal Foundation Forum where we first saw the ‘Fab Four’ together – I remember everyone was very excited and the atmosphere was positive and upbeat. The next day I had lunch with Meghan for the first time, which felt much like lunch with a girlfriend – we chatted about yoga and running and mental health and activism and I recall feeling like an old granny as I thought how lovely it was that Harry had settled down with such a nice young woman.

But by 2019, it was clear that all was not well. I visited the couple one Sunday afternoon at Frogmore Cottage, and with tears in her eyes, Meghan told me what she would later admit in the Oprah interview. Harry was clearly very worried. He gave me a lift to my car, and on the side of a road in Windsor, he discussed at length much of what he has said so far in interviews. I was with them at Buckingham Palace during their final engagement as working royals in February 2020. There were tears from Meghan and tears from her aides as she said her goodbyes. The couple seemed gutted that they hadn’t been able to make things work.

Harry was now having to sacrifice the military relationships and commitments so close to his heart. Bear in mind even his time in the Army had been tainted by an Australian magazine revealing his presence in Afghanistan, potentially compromising his security and that of his friends, as well as damaging his future career because he was withdrawn from front line duty.

The supposed ‘war’ they are raging on the royals and a small part of the press feels to me more like a perfectly reasonable attempt by the couple to speak on their own terms, rather than via second, third and fourth hand accounts, as is so often the case. (I thought one of the most striking quotes in the series was when Harry spoke about trying to keep his relationship with Meghan under wraps, noting that “It’s not about who you trust; it’s about who they trust. That’s how it works.”) Harry and Meghan are not asking anybody to like what they say – just to listen to it, if they happen to have a passing interest in the story. And as strange as it may seem reading some of the fevered fury online, the world will no doubt keep on spinning as normal when the next three episodes are released on Thursday.

There’s a bit in the documentary where Harry talks about being chased on foot by paparazzi 30 or 40 times. This much we already knew: he has been pursued by the media for all of his adult life and most of his childhood, too. He has mostly put his head down and tried to ignore it, occasionally lost his temper and snapped at it, and sometimes forced himself to go along with it, as that footage from Klosters showed. What has remained constant is the intense interest about what it means to be royal – an interest that is rarely indulged by a family whose job it is to be representative rather than human. Now, finally, Harry has given us what we wanted. He has responded extensively and eloquently to the question we have been asking him his whole life. That so many seem not to like the answer he has given is a problem for us, not him.

GoingOnce · 10/12/2022 00:47

Briony Gordon is just as bad. I wouldn’t give any value to her article. Their brand of verbal diarrhea is her bread and butter.

Roussette · 10/12/2022 04:16

Sigma33 · 09/12/2022 22:26

Good night @Roussette .

I realise that you have invested so much in defending H&M it is disappointing that they haven't lived up to your hopes.

They've let others down as well, those who are close to them. It's not personal.

They totally have thanks,!

Not sure why you think that and as for investing so much, weird comment. I faff around in t'internet just like many other posters. Do you want to say that to others too?

What's not personal?
Your posts have lost me, sorry

I loved their series, I think it was well done. They came across well in all sorts of ways

Colcat · 10/12/2022 08:24

I don't really have much time for Bryony Gordon as she's another who believes in sharing every aspect of her personal life for financial gain. Ironic that she's a journalist working for one of the British newspapers which Harry hates so much yet she is one of their 'besties'. So close that Harry pulls up the car and shares his personal worries about his wife. Either very foolish or very crafty. If the latter then he's used the media as much as they use him, as, surprise surprise, the story is then shared at a convenient time. They're all game players.

queenofarles · 10/12/2022 09:14

Everyone and their dog knew they are doing a Netflix reality show , so I say let them have their moment , viewers will decide wether it’s a flop or hit ,
and I don’t think it’s fair to take away their titles , theres just no point.
I haven’t seen it yet , but from the clips I’ve seen they do seem to adore each other, they both seem to be really "cringe" . If they had preteen children they’d be embarrassed by them at this point 😂.

But I did find some clips to be really tone deaf , they literally have a wonderful life , lovely healthy children , wealth , health . Not many live like that , they live far better than a big percentage of people who watched their show.
maybe that’s why the producers tried to dramatise it more .

Janieread · 10/12/2022 09:20

The most depressing thing about the show is that Liz garbus directed, and she's normally excellent.

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Roussette · 10/12/2022 09:35

Janieread · 10/12/2022 09:20

The most depressing thing about the show is that Liz garbus directed, and she's normally excellent.

3.2million views in UK alone, and highest viewing figures for Netflix this year. I thought it was very well done but maybe I'm an ignorant pleb

I never take much notice of Rotten Tomatoes I have to say because I can see the haters have been bombarding IMDB and Rotten Tomatoes with their 'input'. I've read some of the reviews on IMDB, they are hilarious and deffo a few MNers have contributed lol

Janieread · 10/12/2022 09:38

I haven't actually seen it, and would rather stick pins in my eyes, but agree the reviews probably aren't unbiased.

BellePeppa · 10/12/2022 09:41

F4chrissakes · 08/12/2022 12:00

I don't wish anyone ill, but somehow I have a feeling this is all going to end in tears. And when it does, with there be more Netflix revelations?
"I should have LTB". "My ex wife is a narcissistic nightmare". Maybe the kids could get in on it. "I grew up in the shadow of Granny Diana".
"My Dad hates the royals but named me after his Granny, and it's messed with my head".

I can certainly imagine, if they ever do split up, that Harry would be saying he knew he’d made a mistake but was too ashamed and embarrassed to admit it and she’ll he saying she realised she’d married an immature, not very bright manchild.

Roussette · 10/12/2022 09:42

Janieread · 10/12/2022 09:38

I haven't actually seen it, and would rather stick pins in my eyes, but agree the reviews probably aren't unbiased.

They are hilarious... I think some of the reviewers are gnashing their teeth so much, they need dental work!

bakalava · 10/12/2022 09:58

It works both ways with the reviews so the final scores are probably a good representation.

Roussette · 10/12/2022 10:04

bakalava · 10/12/2022 09:58

It works both ways with the reviews so the final scores are probably a good representation.

Doubtful as I wouldn't dream of posting a review even though I enjoyed it, where the haters would have to spread their disgust all over IMDB and RT

Colcat · 10/12/2022 10:16

I didn't like it but I haven't left a review. Not liking it doesn't mean I would feel the need to 'spread my disgust'. We're all allowed to have differing opinions.

bakalava · 10/12/2022 10:32

Minus one, plus one and all that. In the end, 10% favour them, 90% don't. I don't think they care. They want to be at the top of news feeds, loved or loathed. They just need the millions to pay their huge bills. I am braced for a LOT more tacky reality TV stunts and scripts. Whatever pays the bills.

LadyVictoriaSponge · 10/12/2022 11:03

Of course viewing figures are high, doesn’t mean everyone of those viewers loves H&M, far from it.

Farmageddon · 10/12/2022 11:29

LadyVictoriaSponge · 10/12/2022 11:03

Of course viewing figures are high, doesn’t mean everyone of those viewers loves H&M, far from it.

Exactly, I think there's a lot of rubbernecking going on. People love to watch car crash tv, and I think many will tune in just to see how cringey it is, which is why you will see the first episode has much higher viewing figures than the other two.
Only die hard fans (or masochists 😁) will tune in for 6 hours!

Roussette · 10/12/2022 13:10

LadyVictoriaSponge · 10/12/2022 11:03

Of course viewing figures are high, doesn’t mean everyone of those viewers loves H&M, far from it.

Funny that... because there's countless posters on here saying 'I watched 10 minutes couldn't stomach anymore'
'You won't catch me watching that'
'I'd rather poke my eyes out than watch it'
'No I will not be watching it etc'

So you cannot say that people who hate them will sit through 3 hours of it. Nope.

Roussette · 10/12/2022 13:11

I didn't like it but I haven't left a review.

There's still time!!

queenofarles · 10/12/2022 13:28

So you cannot say that people who hate them will sit through 3 hours of it. Nope.
actually it’s not hard to believe that , There was a lot of build up leading to the release date , people are naturally curious , lots of talk about how beautiful their house is , their children , their lifestyle , I know lots who will skip all the chatting and woe is us and just look at those instead .

Janieread · 10/12/2022 13:28

Most people I know who have watched it say M comes across better than they expected. I notice they are now trailing the next three by saying there's juicy royal revelations.

Roussette · 10/12/2022 15:03

queenofarles · 10/12/2022 13:28

So you cannot say that people who hate them will sit through 3 hours of it. Nope.
actually it’s not hard to believe that , There was a lot of build up leading to the release date , people are naturally curious , lots of talk about how beautiful their house is , their children , their lifestyle , I know lots who will skip all the chatting and woe is us and just look at those instead .

Soooo in other words they aren't actually watching it?

ThighMistress · 10/12/2022 15:27

I don’t think the viewing figures equal a win for H&M, only Netflix. After all, millions watched the Prince Andrew interview. I’ve rarely enjoyed anything so much - the best comedy I’ve ever seen. So by some posters’ reckoning those high viewing ratings for Andrew should translate into increased popularity for him… Confused

Honestly the twisting and wriggling that H&M die-hard supporters undertake must be sending them to the physiotherapist.

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