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It's landed - 3 episodes with what I assume is 3 next week.

His inherited wealth comes from the RF, so he has exactly the same benefits from slavery and colonialism as any other member of the RF.

There might be something in this, just because they seem so stuck in the past and unable to move on. Harry especially seems to be unloading trauma over and over again, it's weird and unhealthy.
I think they are lashing out, and seem like they are on a crusade or something. I actually think it's something that bonds them, this us against the world mentality. Even though what they present to the world is lovely dovey photos etc.

I wonder when it will be enough for them.

@Janiie why are you so bothered?
Surely their life doesn't effect you?
The news stories were disgusting, do you know for a fact what MMs father said?
Any courtier has signed a NDA and the old official secrecy act. Some people have more loyalty than to blab to the press. Swim with sharks, you get bit.

Surely they could voluntarily give up their titles, as in return the gift.
Especially as they seem to despise the RF and everything it stands for. It would be a great gesture to show they are moving on.

The thing is, if you are in the RF as a 'senior' member, you get asked to undertake public duties. You don't have to try to generate them, and you can say you would prefer to have a more private life, but y'know, Duty and Service.

If you leave it, you don't automatically get asked. So you have to either a) fade into private life or b) admit that actually you do want a high public profile.

KC, W&K etc don't have to go looking for for opportunities to be in the public eye, or seem relevant. Because they have a constitutional role (whatever you think of having a monarch as head of state, that's what we have at the moment, personally I think it is a bit ridiculous).

So they don't have to justify their public appearances.

H&M, however, could disappear into private life. Every public appearance is because they have chosen to make that appearance to please themselves. So it highlights the fact that they are choosing the public profile, while complaining about having a public profile.

That's why they can't square the circle.

I don't think they can voluntarily give up their titles without an Act of Parliament. and then what about Andrew, Sarah and that can of worms

He'll always be Prince Harry like it or not

I would love to know which titles they should give up. Prince? That is not going to happen. It is his birthright, not something he asked for. They do not say they hate the RF, they say it needs updating. Agreed. Harry's money? His bulk is from princess Diana whose ancestors were instrumental in the abolition of slavery. Do not begin to see privilege without walking in her bi racial shoes. Her mother was defamed for having dreds and being from the wrong side of the tracks. The accuser? One Rachel Johnson ex editor of the 'lady' which she is clearly not!
I posted early on this having said I wouldn't watch it. I am glad I did. Their life is not one I would want. Alot of commentators need to grow up, this is not a playground.

What on earth are you talking about? The Portuguese started the slave trade as regards the Transatlantic slave trade but it had existed in Africa since the time of the ancient Egyptians.

'why are you so bothered?'

I just loathe hypocrisy. For example to moan about intrusion then to sell their proposal shots to Netflix is all a bit contrary. To comment negatively on other people's culture and behaviour yet then say everyone was criticising them is again, hypocritical.

Just some honesty would be lovely. 'We had help and support but weren't allowed to fulfil the roles as we wished so we left' would be refreshing. All the victim playing is just so very tedious.

It's hard to ignore it is all over the telly, the papers and sm and we've got round 2 next week .

A quick Google shows peers have to disclaim their hereditary peerage within a year of succeeding under the Peerage Act of 1963 - Tony Benn objected to having his title imposed and so excluding him from the House of Commons.

They could choose not to use them. They have stopped using HRH at the request of the late Queen (but with a press release insisting that they are still royal, rather than embracing their move away from the toxic and racist institution).

Edward's children could use the titles Prince/ss, but their parents have chosen not to use them as minors, and their daughter has now turned 18 and seems happy not to use the title.

Even stranger that, living in a country that doesn't recognise titles, you would choose to use them.

I would love to know which titles they should give up. Prince? That is not going to happen. It is his birthright, not something he asked for.

I am sure KC would say the same about being King...

'birthright' - what does that even mean? In the USA they specifically rejected the concept when splitting from the UK.

In the UK you can change your name to whatever you want simply by declaring that from now on you repudiate your former name and choose to be known by your new name.

Well I recall that she was going to change/freshen up/ modernise the monarchy, wasn't she so maybe she didn't feel the need?

I would love to know which titles they should give up. Prince? That is not going to happen. It is his birthright, not something he asked for.

In fact, that's exactly what the Battenbergs and Tecks did in 1917, becoming British peers instead of using German princely title (Marquess of Milford Haven/Mountbatten, Marquess of Cambridge/Cambridge).

And Queen Victoria's grand daughter Patricia - a British pricess - gave up her title of Princess in 1919 when she married a commoner.

More than a century ago, so hardly a radical process!

Fair enough, I was just thinking hypothetically...if they decided off their own bat to stop using them as a gesture of moving on from the institution surely it could be accommodated.

She likes to keep her options open.

That's interesting, thanks. I knew the RF changed their name to Windsor around that time too, after the First World War.

Yes, they're the ones complaining about the institution. Why use the honorifics?

In 1917, the Tecks (Queen Mary's siblings) and Battenburgs (one married one of Queen Victoria's closest grand daughters, and another her youngest daughter) gave up their title at the same time. Various German princes with British titles were stripped of them at the same time.

Patricia of Connaught might be a better example - no due to war, but simply married who she wanted and wanted to live a private life. Still attended family events, but as 'Lady Patricia' rather than 'Princess Patricia'.

I don't know the exact mechanism, but I assume it still exists. Letters Patent perhaps?

He'll always be Prince Harry like it or not

He could easily stop using the title. I use mine (Miss) only when I have to. Other than that I just ask everyone to call me by my name (and a shortened version of my full first name at that). Prince Harry could easily do the same. He could have started the documentary with a request that he be referred to as Harry Windsor rather than Prince Harry or the Duke of Sussex. But he didn’t - he wants to trade on his position at the same time as whinging about the intrusion his position comes with. Well, frankly, he should pick a side. If the intrusion is too much then give up the position. When they first left, lots of people assumed that’s what they were doing and wished them well.

The fact they wanted half-in followed by the attempt to keep the “Sussex Royal” brand just goes to show what he / they actually wanted - to be royalty, but only on their terms. And it doesn’t work like that. I’m so pleased the late Queen told them no.

No Act of Parliament needed!

From the presendent set by Princess Patricia - 'Four days before the wedding, King George V signed a warrant granting his cousin “his royal licence and authority” that she could “relinquish the style of Royal Highness and the title of Princess of Great Britain and Ireland” upon her marriage.'

From this website, which doesn't seem to 'imaginative' - writeroyalty.com/princess-patricia-a-royal-trendsetter/

So it looks as if it as simple as H asking Dad to sign a warrant.

Of course, maybe he has asked already, and KC has refused, but then why not tell us? Perhaps that's in one of the later episodes...

Other than that I just ask everyone to call me by my name (and a shortened version of my full first name at that)

I presume you haven't been on here since they first met. He tried saying 'Just Call Me Harry' at an event.

Just on here, he had the piss taken out of him something rotten, even having his name abbreviated to JCMH with endless laughing emojis and insults.

No, I wasn’t around then. I didn’t pay any attention when they first met. I watched the wedding though, and couldn’t believe how beautiful she looked (and, shallow as it is, I thought he was really bloody lucky cos I don’t think he’s handsome at all). I remember thinking she added beauty, style and a bit of coolness to the institution.

Tbf, “just call me Harry” does sound pretentious to me. I tend to go with “hi, I’m Jess”. Or “I prefer Jess if that’s okay”. Actually I’m not sure pretentious is the right word. Try-hard maybe? Like the girl the song “common people” was about.

Either way, he was actually still in the royal family then and isn’t now. Plus, the conversation about titles and stylings could easily have been had off-screen. But he wants the titles - the lack of titles for his kids was brought up in the Oprah interview as another example of how hard done to they are.

Just call me Harry or I prefer Harry is surely much the same? Putting someone at ease etc.

Actually the bulk of Diana's money was from her divorce settlement i.e. the RF, not the abolitionist ancestors. She was only a younger daughter, so though she would never have to get a real job, she didn't get the tens of millions from them.

The money W & H inherited was from the slavery-benefitting RF ancestors I am afraid, not the abolitionists.

Strange to me that you have people who disgrace the RF with peado links. Jailed for sexual assaults and all sorts. If the requirement is that you must work for the rf, then that means only the handful should retain titles and you strip everyone.
And no, not living at the place of your name is not a requirement (ask them, there are dukes who live somewhere else, not their namesake , hell, even the Duke of Edinburgh did not live there, nor does the Prince of Wales).

Also, did anyone ask for Lady Susan to be stripped when she had to resign due to racism (and basically admitted, what with the statement and such).

All sorts of shenanigans among the titled.