Does Harry dislike his family?

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Just with the Oprah interview, this new Netflix thing and then his book that is coming out soon.

Anyone would think he dislikes his own family. What has actually happened for him to turn on them?

Yes this .... clearly the therapist wasn't particularly competent to have left him in such a state.
The hope was, when they made the decision to leave, they would find happiness and peace in their own little corner of the world, to build a life and a family away from the publicity they claim to have so hated.

I fear for his ongoing mental health because one day they will have nothing left to destroy. It will be gone along with their credibility.
He could have done so much, they could have done so much, instead their bitterness will drive them mad because they will become irrelevant over time as people tire of their whinging.

To stay in he would have had to pass exams which was unlikely to happen.

True.

I always marvel at the RF choosing a dimwit like Diana (a sweet soul who failed every academic subject she ever studied) as their ideal brood mare for the Windsor dynasty.

I get that the thinking was "Let's get a sweet but dim woman in so that she can be easily ordered around and told what to do" (ha, that didn't work out very well, did it?).

But did it not occur to anyone that a mum who is utterly lacking in academic smarts may well produce a child with the same traits?

If I was going to select the ideal brood mare to carry on my bloodline, I'd pick someone reasonably intelligent (not to mention, someone who is emotionally stable and comes from a bombproof family background - again, what on earth was Mountbatten thinking when he picked out Diana?).

@Allthegoodnamesarechosen I wonder if M hated Kate because Harry had a close relationship with her? And maybe also because Harry fancied Kate's sister...who M is a lookalike of? Who knows really. Sad & unneccessary.

Diana was more Aristocratic than The RF!
Absolutely not a “ Commoner”
I met Diana at a charity event, she was magnificent- A very genuinely humane person with a sensitive soul.
(No gloves, either.)
Diana was lovely.
Years later, when meeting another member if the RF we were advised “ Not to mention Diana” - And gloves were definitely ON!

There really wasn’t a lot of choice left was there? Diana was pretty much all there was.

What I find interesting, in the face of all of these theories around Harry’s dissatisfaction with his life, anger around his mothers death, and Charles and Camilla, to scurrilous unfounded gossip about William having an affair, and Kate making Meghan cry. Nasty family.

Look back at photos of Harry pre Meghan. Happy, joyful, carefree. Seeming genuinely involved in the family and his role, whatever that was.

Since Meghan.. I can’t say I’ve seen a single photo where he looks truly happy. He looks dead inside.

Or the other way round. A man child marries a highly intelligent hard working woman and mans up. He then sees his family for what they are: a highly toxic, multigenerational dysfunctional fuckfest so he dumps them to break the cycle. Family disavow him because their dysfunction is normal to them.

He then sees his family for what they are: a highly toxic, multigenerational dysfunctional fuckfest so he dumps them to break the cycle.

Except he didn't do that. He wanted to keep on working with them, but wanted to get paid on the side. Even after he flounce he was leaving, he stayed in touch with his father because he wanted daddy to pay his way.
And then, when he couldn't scalp them for anymore money, then, he said they were toxic. And meanies. Boo hoo, Harry. 😭

He then sees his family for what they are: a highly toxic, multigenerational dysfunctional fuckfest so he dumps them to break the cycle.

Oh, for goodness sake. The Windsors aren't the most functional family, but why is "dump them and burn the bridges" the best response to this?
A normal, sensible reaction to annoying relatives is, fade gently out of their lives and reduce contact to the level of occasional meetups, while maintaining politeness on both sides.

why is "dump them and burn the bridges" the best response to this?
A normal, sensible reaction to annoying relatives is, fade gently out of their lives

I think you answered your own question there.

I don't know, but I think of the wedding and the then Prince walking M up the aisle and Harry thanking him. I think of all those happy photos with W, H & K.

Harry just seems to be permanently angry/frustrated these days and wanting to pick a fight. If he has had therapy, it hasn't helped him, rather spiralled him backwards.
Why in gawd's name did he think his Father should be financially supporting him once he left working RF life (and lets face it, there are only W & H, he would have been given a nice cushy job and the RF would still be stream lined from the previous set up in keeping with KC's wish), and they as a family would have been much safer staying in Windsor Castle grounds, but I suspect that was never going to be on the cards at all.

So for the life of me, the best I can come up with is he needed to do something to fund his lifestyle and choices and this is all he has got to give and he is stuck somewhere mentally and isn't getting the support from his spouse talking him around, or from whatever MH team he has behind him.

I can see Harry being on his own down the track. M would have moved onto something else as her star gets ''brighter'', the stories growing and eventually H will get jack of it all. Where does he go from there? it won't be back home unless one of his cousins makes up a spare bed...

At the risk of stating the obviously, they didn't gently fade out of their relatives' lives, Marsha.
They've been airing dirty laundry in public and stirring up shit.

Personally, I'd have just headed off with my millions and led a quiet life, perhaps asking Dad to help with paying the security bills if paying for security was going to be an issue. If they hadn't had the massive public fallout, getting some discreet help with those bills would have been pretty easy.

This is why Princess Margaret didn’t marry Peter Townsend.
It was made clear to her she would lose her comfortable existence.
No more being on the royal team and no funding for her lifestyle.
She may have been angry but she had the maturity at quite a young age to know that she wanted both love and privilege but had to choose so she chose the RF.
And like Harry she had a sibling who seemed to have it all.
Margaret’s subsequent life was quite chaotic too. The difference is that in public at least she didn’t blame her family.

I wonder if Harry is even Charles son? Perhaps he is the product of an affair and this has also led to the way he has been treated?

@healthadvice123 yeah that’s true and another reason I don’t really care to take those interviews to heart.. I haven’t seen the ones you speak of where they say the opposite and contradict themselves and such but I honestly don’t put it past any of them because I don’t see them trustworthy at all.

also the title thing, this is why I don’t know why they don’t just fully ditch the names and start to live the “normal” lives they claim to want, like you said many others have managed to live low key lives and been fine so I’m not sure what is different here but hey I guess like you said … there is his version, her version and then the truth🤷🏽‍♀️.

I've read (not a neuroscientist so can't confirm if it's true) that you don't remember events, you remember the last time you remembered them, which is why memories are often so unreliable.

He says that he does not want to be part of the firm any more - he has had enough of it - and who can blame him? Instead of supporting him and helping him, they turn on him. No wonder he does not like them.

In which way have they turned on him though?

Apparently they are both on their way (via private jet) to accept the Ripple of Hope award.

There is no way back into the Royal Family after this.

Megan's family sound unhinged.
Her dad managed to turn her wedding into an all about him show.

Surely Harry's issues don't need explaining?
How much time has Charles actually spent with his son's? I can't see what bonding has gone on when first of all they were caught in the cross hair's of their parents public war ( complete with TV interviews??!) Then they weere " ferried" between parents, only on school holidays?
They boarded the rest of the time,so perhaps half a holiday and fhen....the horrendous death.
Charles, he seems like a man of great emotions and feelings but largely to himself.
I wonder how much he has actually done for his son's.
Especially the "spare". .did he bend over backwards to welcome Megan? Is Camilla a healing presence? There are rumours that Charles was bankrolling them?

She likely had no idea at all what she was letting herself in for regardless of her aristocratic background.

What nonsense. I'm around the same age as Diana, don't live in the UK, and don't come from an aristocratic background and even I would have understood at age 19 what marrying the future King would have meant.

@Nosleepforthismum

There is your side, my side and the truth is somewhere in the middle.

It's not anyone else's business how we each perceive events surely?
Each person will have a different take and I am sure Harry's take will be different to Williams and the heir to the throne?

Even Diana said she was deeply concerned about the attention William had and not Harry.

Harry is now treating his family the same way his wife treats hers. They are behaving like bitter nasty people. I don’t care who you are dragging your family through the mud is trash.

So, I was surprised that Harry who has suppposedly had a lot of therapy went on Oprah.

Harry is a cash cow and his agents are happy to exploit this. They see pound signs and infamy and ignore the deep issues he has. He is like an angry 'little boy lost' lashing out at an institution older than time, poorly supported by a celebrity wife who lives in a media, celebrity hungry world. No doubt she loves him, but her upbringing isn't rooted in the same family dynamics and she has no idea how to handle things differently. As a pp said earlier, William has Kate's rock solid family's influence and support and perhaps they've all played a part in giving William that family stability and normality.

It's like watching a horrible car crash unfold. I wish someone who loved him would gently tell him "stop. Just stop."

Exactly this. He’s responding how the majority of people would and he entitled to these feelings and this anger that he clearly has. Good for him, I say. Bring it all down.

They probably all hate each other a little bit. I would imagine it's very complicated. Arranged marriages, affairs left right and centre, ridiculous pomp and ceremony and so on.

Royalty is imo an awful world to be born into. Granted, they aren't killing each other for the throne or marrying their close relatives any more but it's still far from a normal existence. And these days they don't even get to directly rule the country they are royalty of.

You have a group of ridiculously rich and privileged people, bring them up to believe they are better than everyone else, have an institution instead of a family, have a million and one rules and I'm amazed if any of them ends up ok tbh.