The Queen died from...in The Times today

[NotInMyBackYards]

In TT today, Dr Porter discusses what is in the latest biography of the Queen (by Giles B.)

Dr P seems to agree with GB that the Queen had bone cancer. He doesn't say so in so many words but he does bullet-point the signs (of which she appears to have had a number.)

I'm a Royalist (with some exceptions, of course) and feel we are being 'cheated' by (perhaps) having the reason for her death being concealed.
She was well loved and admired by millions.
Isn't the least we are owed an honest account?

I am sure everyone could see that she didn't simply die of 'old age' (in so much as anyone in their late 90s does, to a degree.) The pain she was suffering, the weight loss, the circulation problems evident in her calves (varicose ulcers for years) and her hands.

It's as if we are being taken for fools and I wonder how, legally, her dr is allowed to complete the death cert inaccurately?

My late father had 3 conditions listed on his DC, including dementia, but he'd had two other conditions (major organ deterioration) for many years as well.
Considering he was 95, then 'old age' may have covered it but it wasn't just that.

What is the point of the Palace not being honest?

Why do you think it's any of your business?

@Tessabelle74 - Giles Brandreth is talking about the cancer now to take away one of Harry’s headlines. I expect there may be a couple more leaks before his book comes out. I am sure GB got permission from his mate Charles to talk about it. I expect HMQ didn’t wNt all the speculation whilst she was alive. But she did go in for an overnight procedure Oct 2021 and us plebs were never told why…which was a bit unusual.

There are plenty of people who die with a cancer, not from it.

Very common with prostate cancer, for example.

I’m not really sure what benefit people think there would be in lying about this?

I've read most of the thread and still don't understand why there is such a clamour for privacy about it. There's no shame in dying of cancer ... or anything.

Who has said there’s any shame in dying from cancer? It has been explained that in the past there has been stigma but it’s not really relevant today.

Privacy around medical conditions doesn’t have to be understood but it should be respected. The problem happens when people decide the answer they have isn’t good enough and bang away for no good reason. It makes no difference to anyone what conditions the queen was suffering from, and there will be some. She was 96.

So you are saying Brandreth is lying?

I don't care what the queen died of . The only thing the whole issue raises for me is why are 'royal' death certificates not publicly available as is the case for every other citizen of this beknighted place ?!

As @CathyorClaire rightly pointed out , the fact their wills are also locked away for 100 years is much more pressing as an issue. Their wills are secret - again unlike the rest of us whose wills go online after probate . So it's obvious why royal wills are banned - they don't want the masses to see the millions they have amassed .

But why keep a death cert secret when every other man woman or child has their death certificate publicly available by law ?

And before another royalist whinges ' but privacy ' . She's dead. And no one else has this vaulted 'privacy' . Not one of us

I've read most of the thread and don't understand why people are so concerned about knowing how someone died. Or in the case of one poster so convinced that doctors are lying about dying of old age.

@Novella4 for the umpteenth time , here in Scotland Old Age is an acceptable cause of death on a death certificate. That’s what was put on my 98 year old aunt’s certificate.

It must be in England as well @Readinginthesun, it's what's on my MIL's certificate. She was 100 so I'm pretty sure it was accurate!

Her death certificate is publicly available, good lord! You just don’t like what it says.

Brandreth doesn’t have to lie, it’s very clever. The quote is “I had heard that the Queen had a form of myeloma – bone marrow cancer.” So he may well have heard that, he’s not lying about having heard that rumour. And he’s not lying and saying “the Queen definitely had cancer”. He’s just saying “I heard this rumour”.

The hilarious thing is he then uses it to explain the last few years of her life: more limited mobility, tiredness, weight loss. Every person I know as elderly as the Queen was has more limited mobility than their younger years, they’re all knackered, and they all shrink.

@Novella4 I'm saying Giles Brandreth has as much medical knowledge about the Queen as you do but starting rumours won't sell YOUR book will it?

So the death certificate has been released because she died in Scotland . It says old age and questions are being asked

If she had died in England there would be no death certificate published as the royals don't comply with the law on that a nor with the law on wills being available .

But I agree it's a small issue combined with the racism associated with the royals esp after yesterdays horrible incident

Royal death certificates use to state a Latin phrase, for the life of me I can't remember it. However, we all die of heart failure!
Anything else is none of our business, ditto what I paid for my house or any other freely available personal data. At times I hate the www.

yesterdays incident was not anything top do with the royal family

And it isn’t anything to do with the thread title either. Just the usual

Giles Brandreth is not a Dr. Giles Brandreth is trying to sell a book.
You can be as annoyed as you want about incorrect information on a death certificate, but as you have no idea that the information actually is incorrect (it has been explained to you numerous times that old age is a perfectly acceptable cause of death to put on a birth certificate in Scotland) then it does seem an odd thing to get your knickers in a twist about. And I don’t know why you have such unwavering faith in the medical diagnostic abilities of Prince Philip’s best mate, but there you go!

Maybe she had cancer, maybe she didn't. Maybe she of cancer or maybe she died WITH cancer. At 96 you can die of a cold.

As I've said repeatedly I don't care what she died of
I am asking why royal death certificates ( and wills bit that is another issue ) are secret ?

And lol at the poster who said I mustn't mention the racism of the royals because it's not in the thread title !! Yeah keep trying to sweep that under the carpet .

And as I’ve repeatedly said, her death certificate isn’t secret. We also have no proof it’s inaccurate.

If you read my post carefully, you will see that I said it was nothing to do with the thread title - not that you mustn’t mention it.

It seems to me that you are adding your own narrative to anything you please. Whether it be my post or indeed the death certificate.

If you don’t want to accept what is written in black and white then that is up to you. It doesn’t make it a secret, or a cover up or an untruth.

Raciism? It needs discussing. But to just turn an already frothy thread into a complete bunfight about other matters isn’t helpful. There are other threads about it.

As an aside, I am often asked ‘but no, where are you from‘ . One answer should be enough.

So lol away. And I shall do similarly at you insisting you don’t care about a public death certificate which has the answers you seek on it. For someone who doesn’t care you have an awful lot to say on it.

You don’t like what was written? Take it up with the doctor. Or Dr Gyles.

It is secret. Only part of it has been released.

Again , all royal death certificates are secret . As are their wills - wills kept secret for 100 years . I wonder why?? So the plebs don't see how
rich they are?

She died in Scotland however and their law ( good on them ) meant her certificate had to be released within 7 days.

Some papers describe the cert as being 'partial'

amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/29/queen-elizabeth-died-of-old-age-death-certificate-says

@ArcaneWireless
Again you are misrepresenting what I said . Whether deliberately or not I don't know
Finally and for clarity:

I don't care what she died of .

I do care that royal wills and death certificates are secret and I was asking why in earth their death certificates in particular must be kept secret .

I was asking why in earth their death certificates in particular must be kept secret .

She died in Scotland however and their law ( good on them ) meant her certificate had to be released within 7 days

So not secret then…

I am not misrepresenting what you say.

It reads to me that you are contradicting yourself.

If you don’t care what she died of then the cause of death on the certificate - from her doctor - should suffice.

In England their death certificates are secret.
The Queens was only a partial one.