The Queen died from...in The Times today

[NotInMyBackYards]

In TT today, Dr Porter discusses what is in the latest biography of the Queen (by Giles B.)

Dr P seems to agree with GB that the Queen had bone cancer. He doesn't say so in so many words but he does bullet-point the signs (of which she appears to have had a number.)

I'm a Royalist (with some exceptions, of course) and feel we are being 'cheated' by (perhaps) having the reason for her death being concealed.
She was well loved and admired by millions.
Isn't the least we are owed an honest account?

I am sure everyone could see that she didn't simply die of 'old age' (in so much as anyone in their late 90s does, to a degree.) The pain she was suffering, the weight loss, the circulation problems evident in her calves (varicose ulcers for years) and her hands.

It's as if we are being taken for fools and I wonder how, legally, her dr is allowed to complete the death cert inaccurately?

My late father had 3 conditions listed on his DC, including dementia, but he'd had two other conditions (major organ deterioration) for many years as well.
Considering he was 95, then 'old age' may have covered it but it wasn't just that.

What is the point of the Palace not being honest?

Well Giles Branruth has it in his book so take it up with him

I do have interest if a legal doc is inaccurate . So did the OP

It isn’t inaccurate or illegal.

My point is that there is some flexibility on the identification of the cause of death, see my previous post.

Can a cause of death be added posthumously? Like an edit to the original entry? I vote “hounded by Mumsnet ghouls” as a secondary cause.

@sorry @FinallyHere

I wasn't actually replying to you - I was being brusque with @LosingTheWill2022 !

He can write whatever he wants in a book. He’s just an old friend of prince Philip’s.
If she did have cancer, there’s no proof that that’s what killed her. Maybe it was being treated and under control, and therefore it’s unlikely that it caused her death. Fact is that it’s just speculation, and the only people who have any idea what caused her death are the medical professionals who treated her. Not Giles.
In Scotland, ‘old age’ is a perfectly acceptable cause of death to be used on a birth certificate.

@FinallyHere I do know there is flexibility and often debate about actual cause of death and that several factors can be listed

Hence the debate here about 'old age' only listed

Being cheated of picking the bones over her death. Jesus what a vulture!
You are not owed ANYTHING! Let her rest in peace ffs imagine her family hearing shite like this!

Little point in death certificates being available to all and sundry if some choose not to believe what is written on them. 🤷🏻‍♀️

I’m in the same area of Scotland where the Queen died.
It is not uncommon for old age to be the reason of death.

Two of my grandparents had that reason. One had angina, the other had cancer. No mention of those.
They were present but it wasn’t the cause. Both were in their 90s.

It is affectionately known up here as ‘gan daen’. Your body is old and it is worn out.

My nan was riddled with cancer by the time she said anything. Got admitted after a haemorrhage, got told she had weeks and they sent her straight to the wing known as the ‘waiting room’ to keep her comfy. Dead in days. Her cause of death? Not cancer.

She had a burst ulcer and died due to complications of that. No mention of the cancer.

I fully expect my body to give up if nothing else gets me first. Old age as a reason is a blessing.

Although @stuntbubbles has a fair point…

"I'm a Royalist (with some exceptions, of course)"
Whatver can you mean?

Naughty.

It’s as likely to be as anything else.

No @Blossomtoes
Old age is not usually given as it means there were no other known illnesses . It is not good practice to write 'old age ' as there is always a cause . I know you said you ' don't give a shit' but that is the fact of it

It's an issue now because of the book written by a friend of the royals who is saying she had cancer

Hence the OP

Old age cannot be stated as the sole cause of death for anyone unless the certifying doctor:
Has personally cared for the deceased over a long period (meaning years, or many months)
Has observed a gradual decline in the patient's general health and functioning
Is not aware of any identifiable disease or injury that contributed to the death
When the certifying doctor is certain that there is no other reason that the death should be reported to the Procurator Fiscal

www.sad.scot.nhs.uk/atafter-death/death-certification/part-c/#:~:text=Old%20age%20cannot%20be%20stated%20as%20the%20sole,be%20reported%20to%20the%20Procurator%20Fiscal%20More%20items

Many of you are wrong. Old age should not be given unless there is no other identifiable illness or injury that contributed to her death. Cancer would be a contributing factor. Cancer weakens the heart and the immune system.

The doctor who signed the certificate had been her doctor for 34 years (one of her doctors, at least). I don’t think they got a jobbing locum in to do it.

Absolutely this. Would you be happy OP everyone sharing your medical history to the world.

Are you medically qualified and/ or a registrar? People who are have previously said that this is acceptable on a death certificate.

@Heartonmysleevee - your death certificate will be freely available for all to see . So will everyone's. You are confusing it with medical records .
Except if you are a 'royal' it seems .
I should have known!
The royals exempt themselves from the FOI so their death cents are not available to read unlike every other last one of us !
Even in death they put themselves above the law .

BUT she died in Scotland and the law is different so they had to publish within 7 days

Hello magazine of all places seems to have the issue summed up

www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20220929152819/queen-death-certificate-confusion-scottish-government/?viewas=amp

Or, her body was old, she had several niggling illnesses, and it just gave up. We are not designed to live forever.

Indeed stuntbubbles

My grandparents had the same doctor for about 25-30 years.

I think that they were the best ones to judge. You know, what with them being doctors…

Although I can’t go pointing an accusatory finger because they are long gone now too.

I’m sure they would have loved the story of some internet random telling them they were wrong.

Though they had probably too much happiness in their life to worry about some almost continuously spreading misery and voicing their distrust about strangers on social media.

Anyone else now grimly determined to make it to old age AND DIE OF IT so their death certificate just says “old age”? (Although mine will clearly say as its secondary cause “and SPITE”.) Happy to have my cert freely available to prove all this nonsense wrong, I’m only 42 but this thread makes me ready to shuffle off this mortal coil.

I’ve got a few more years on you stuntbubbles

Your suggestion sounds fabulous. I’d love that on mine. 😁

We have no idea whether MIL had anything else wrong with her. She was 100 and didn't want to eat or drink so faded away. Old age seems quite appropriate.