Rumour that the King won't make Edward Duke of Edinburgh

[PrincessJanet]

Allegedly as part of the King's desire for a slimmed down monarchy.

I would have thought that the Royal Family could really do with the Wessexes as working royals. If they slim down so far in a few years they'll soon beonly the Cambridges available.

So if Charlotte became the Duchess of Edinburgh would her husband, if she married, become the Duke of Edinburgh?

Not if current practice is followed. Husbands of peerages in their own right don't get the corresponding title.

Of course, that could be changed.

It’s not a given Charlotte will be princess royal. The reason is she is in line to the throne, Anne and anyone before her were not, as they were female, the rules of succession changed before George was born, and if something happens to george or he doesn’t have kids then Charlotte could be queen. She would likely only get Princess royal once george has children and she’s taken out the immediate line to accede the throne.

Anne was always in line to the throne, she was just further down because of her brothers. Same with the previous holder Princess Mary.

Princess Victoria was titled Princess Royal at 3/4 months old and was the heir from her birth until the birth of her brother.

There’s no correlation between how high someone is in the line to the Princess Royal title.

Yes technically she is in line, in reality not. It’s why she’s 16th, she skips behind the males. Anne was never going to be queen is the point. Even James, edwards son is ahead of her, he is 14th

Position in the line has zero impact on the Princess Royal title. Anne was in the same position as Charlotte when she was born. She couldn’t be Princess Royal young because the title was still in use with Princess Mary.

K&W are already snowed under having to stand in for workshy family members while raising three young children

Snowed under? Seriously?? The bar really is very low for royals.

No matter where Anne is in the line of succession, JustLyra's point is valid. There is no correlation between how likely a woman is to be queen and whether she is made Princess Royal.

What is interesting to contemplate, however, is whether a female heir apparent would be made Princess of Wales in her own right. And what her spouse's title would be.

What is interesting to contemplate, however, is whether a female heir apparent would be made Princess of Wales in her own right. And what her spouse's title would be.

It will be an interesting one.

On the one hand it would be good to hit a point where royal females could pass their titles to a husband and still be the more senior one.

On the other hand I think we’re a long way off people seeing a Princess and Prince couple or Duchess and Duke couple and recognising that she is the more senior party.

I have no idea what the husband of a hypothetical Princess of Wales would be known as! This might be a case when the best thing would be to follow the pattern set by both Princesses Elizabeth and Margaret, and give the husband of a princess in the line of direct heir (so eldest child of monarch, or eldest child of monarch's eldest ad infinitum) a peerage, they could be TRH the Princess of Wales and the Duke/Earl of somewhere.

The Queen, btw, was known as the Duke of Normandy when in the Channel Islands. (Prince Phillip was not however the Duchess).

We do. We have Anne and her husband. What’s his name, everyone knows she’s the most senior, he doesn’t even have a title . It’s just they have more boys that girls. The queen had three boys one girl , William has two boys one girl. When Charlotte grows up you will see it again.

and I’m not saying Charlotte won’t get it, I specifically said it was not a given, Anne will hold it for life. Charlotte can’t get it till William is on the throne, he then decides. As if Anne dies before this, then there is no eligible person. It’s for the eldest daughter of a monarch normally but is purely discretionary

there are many articles on this, but it is absolutely not a given Charlotte will he princess royal, there are many factors before that decision is made. Not least as something could happen to George and she will be queen. If this is the case, it is not a given william will give her it. Also something could happen to her before william is on the throne. She might do a harry , not wish to be a working royal and fuck off to America.

www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a22662842/princess-charlotte-princess-royal-title/

@Coffeetableposhbooks

You said It’s not a given Charlotte will be princess royal. The reason is she is in line to the throne

That was the point I addressed. At no point did I say Charlotte absolutely would be. Simply that your statement about the reason is incorrect. It has nothing to do with her position.

We do. We have Anne and her husband. What’s his name, everyone knows she’s the most senior, he doesn’t even have a title . It’s just they have more boys that girls. The queen had three boys one girl , William has two boys one girl. When Charlotte grows up you will see it again.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with the point being discussed…

I’m not sure why you’re being all fighty . There are plenty of threads for that.

on this, I have explained myself and we shall agree to disagree, I won’t respond to you further. If you wish to argue and fight, there are others who will indulge you. I am not that person

ive no idea what you’re reading @Coffeetableposhbooks

The point you made was Charlotte being in line prevented her being Princess Royal. What you said later was totally different when I pointed out you were incorrect. Nothing to agree or disagree with there.

As for “fighty” - don’t be ridiculous.

he doesn't even have a title
Actually, he does. He is a knight and therefore Sir Timothy Laurence, which means that Anne is Lady Laurence by marriage.

I thought the thread had moved on to what would be the title/style of a future putative female Princess of Wales.

This is new ground as there has never been a female heir apparent (someone is bound to pop up now with the example of a daughter set to succeed a post-menopausal mother!)

ER II was never heir apparent so neither Wales nor Cornwall titles were hers.

But if anything happened to George, or if George's first born is a girl, then it'll have to be sorted out then. Including whether future spouse would be ennobled (seems most straightforward, could be for those in direct line only, not all their sisters). And Cornwall could perhaps behave like Normandy in terms of always having a Duke

And Cornwall could perhaps behave like Normandy in terms of always having a Duke

Lancaster is also always a Duke.

Cornwall would have to be changed for a female to inherit it as it’s currently the monarch’s eldest son and heir. Presumably they could theoretically just change it to heir or eldest child and heir.

Wales should (again theoretically) be easier to change as it’s not as limited as Cornwall. It can already go to a grandson, for example, if they are the heir so should be less difficult to change.

They could use Philip as the example and use Prince Firstname for the spouse of a female heir apparent.

It works in Sweden with Crown Princess Victoria’s husband being Prince Daniel.

There has been one female heir apparent. But that was an unusual circumstance. Queen Anne, as a princess, was heir apparent to her brother-in-law William after the death of her sister Mary. If William had remarried and had a son, that son would have been after Anne in the succession.

I think this would be a really bad move on the King’s part. It is churlish and petty. It is known that Queen Elizabeth and the DoE wanted Edward to inherit the title, Charles signed the document.

It was on the Daily Fail site earlier about giving the title to Charlotte spun as a tribute to the Queen. That’s rubbish, the Queen wished for Edward to have it.

Philip renounced hos European titles before his marriage and was created Prince of the United Kingdom only in 1957. For the first decade of his marriage it was Princess/Queen Elizabeth and the Duke of Edinburgh.

And thank you @SenecaFallsRedux - I knew there would be an exceptional case lying round somewhere!

What is interesting to contemplate, however, is whether a female heir apparent would be made Princess of Wales in her own right. And what her spouse's title would be.

The Dutch has sorted this out quite nicely, I think, in that they have specified that the heir to the throne is titled the Prince (or now, Princess) of Orange and their spouse is titled Prince/Princess of the Netherlands.

I think this would be a really bad move on the King’s part

I think shelving pointless shiny handouts would be an excellent move on his part and demonstrate more than lip service to the much vaunted 'slimmed down monarchy' he's been shoving.

Edward's got it made. He doesn't need more baubles.

Anne is seventy, much as she has good long life genes she will probably pop her clogs in the next thirty years, which means well before Charlotte is forty so the Princess Royal title would be well served by her being granted it. Otherwise it would have to wait for George’s daughter, should he of course ever have one, to be of age to be given it.

Rhe royals are not commenting so the mail is making shit up, I strongly suspect there is a reason for Edward not getting it that isn’t being revealed. As this is supposed to be hereditary and there is a potential James has additional needs or will not be a working royal for whatever reason, and they wish to protect his privacy, I think that Charles will take the heat for people Thinking like you do and they just won’t reveal their family business. I honestly think this isn’t him being cunty, and there Is a reason they are not making public his reasons, they will just say sometjing spurious like to honour the queen and move on. They are a notoriously private family.

Why do people keep speculating about James having additional needs, it’s unpleasant