Harry and Meghan - lies?

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Ok I’m keeping my fingers crossed this thread will not descend into an unsubstantiated bun fight! Please bear with me.

I’m definitely no Royalist, and am pretty ambivalent about H and M but from the little I’ve read they seem to have been treated pretty badly. However I keep seeing on other threads here that their claims have all be proven to be lies, which would make me much less sympathetic to them. But I can’t find any verification for this.

So I’m asking more knowledgeable posters - what lies specifically have H&M told and where’s the evidence to the contrary please?

thank you

@Hermenonville exactly.

If people cloud just stop going on an on about the big wedding, when it was framed that the palace wanted the public to unite over something after the Brexit debacle.

I had completely forgotten that photo (had to google!), I just remembered all the hoohaa about not naming the Godparents etc. Thank you for correcting me.

@AutumnsCrow - that made me giggle - thank you

Oh as time goes on & I do not know either of them , it comes across to me that they are prepared to use Harry's family to make squillions with scant regard for the RF

In truth a actress of her standing and a military person of his would not without the connection to the RF have a platform to do anything they are doing at the moment . I would have loved to have seen them using their privilege to the good , because I think they could have done. But if just money is all you are after , well - good luck to them

As I think Tina Brown said - watch out Harry , Elon Musk is single. ah - I don't mean that I hope they are very very happy together but equally , I hope it is an equal partnership in that they decide properly & jointly what they will do - not just one bringing the titles etc to the table and the other deciding how to make money out of it.

The truth is what they do does not make a difference to my life but I think I am allowed to look at a member of the RF and think are you criticising current RF , are you making money from half truths and lies - yes I think I am.

@BasiliskStare are you a fellow afficionado of the Mornington Crescent genre, perchance?

@AutumnsCrow - I like it but I also like Samantha who does the scoring & was a huge fan of Humphrey Littleton's innuendo's so does that count as a "yes . Yes I like Mornington Crescent for the avoidance of doubt - ha ha

Yeah, it's not about the big wedding itself, it's about how ungracious and rude they are about it.
I just don't buy her "poor little me I'm such a down to earth cali girl and I look my diamond shoes are too small and pp are so fascinated by me it's scary"
when this was her life goal all along.😂

They don't even try to hide their contempt for us, do they?

Yet people don't hide their contempt for them - have you missed all the articles pre wedding? During her pregnancy etc?

With regards to Harry and Megan and their request for a private wedding posted above.

This was written on another thread

They are celebrities who make their money from the taxpayers. That means they have to make themselves public. They have to televise family events like weddings, publish details of the birth of new children.
You don't get to say that the public should only care about the aspects of your private life you want them to care about and ignore the rest. It is not how celebrity works.

I disagreed.

Only it wasn’t written about the Sussexes. It was written with regards to a pap chasing William and Kate and their children when they were out on a bike ride.

But until Harry chose to step down from his royal duties, he was a “celebrity” too according to the opinion above. By that argument, the wants of Megan and Harry don’t matter.

I believe that Royals should be allowed to have down time. I also believe if the Sussexes had wanted a private wedding they should have been allowed to do so, particularly given that - as he is at pains to point out - the spare. But opinions like the above suggest not.

As for the book? He is entitled to air how he feels - as is anyone. But knowing that the other side will most likely keep quiet, it will only ever be one side of the story. And in my experience, that isn’t always an accurate representation.

I hope H&M find their happiness. I hope the book is a story of how love overcomes grief. Because that will mean that they’ve achieved the Holy Grail despite everything.

If it isn’t that? I feel that happy people don’t seek to make others unhappy. So will they have really found their peace?

It’ll be interesting. One way or another.

Is there actually any evidence of them wanting a private wedding except what they claimed years later? I am sure that in one of the books, they were actually being encouraged to have a smaller wedding than what they ended up with and HMQ disagreed with M wearing white (for obvious reasons!).
The tiara fiasco, celebrity guest list (many of whom said they never knew them well) and criticism of the smell inside chapel do suggest the contrary.

Why don't you just google it OP? Lots of stuff out there that's been said many times, complete with links.

Have you missed all the gushing articles pre and post wedding and all the pr effort? All the hype about how amazing and refreshing she was?

There's actually news footage on YouTube from when she was 11 and wrote to proctor and gamble

Do people on here just make shit up or do they hear this stuff and decide its fact 🤣

Yes it’s a load of rubbish. Two of HMQ’s dcs had smaller weddings as they were divorced. It is unusual in any circles to have a big white wedding when the bride has been divorced. The choices made for the day - the music, the American bishop, the style of the evening reception appear to be very much their personal choices. This was not a wedding forced on them by BP to distract from Brexit or whatever. This was what they wanted.
The excitement around the wedding and the crowds who gathered that day showed the enthusiasm of the general public for the couple. M now wants to rewrite history and make our her time in the U.K. was miserable as she was treated differently because of her race. She is trying to distance herself from that positive experience by saying she doesn’t see it as her real wedding.

I have a different take on it all, and the issue of race, governed by the fact that I don't think it's right to refer to a person's race, all the time. With President Obama, we were reminded that he was the first black or mixed race president. With Meghan, the press announced that hat she was the first mixed race person to marry into the British Royal Family. We are reminded that Rishi Sunak is the first Hindu British Prime Minister. I think this is wrong.

In the 21st Century, we have reframed any old attitudes and said that race is irrelevant .There is no way a person's racial background influences their qualities or capabilities. It is just about the different adaption of the human body to sunlight and living conditions in different parts of the world.

In fairness to Meghan, she forged ahead with her ambitions, goals and career in the face of any underlying racism from any ignorant individuals and, partly because of her extreme beauty, did well. With a good education and professional parents, but with no suggestion of a trust fund.

Why say, in the press, that's she is mixed race or black, when she doesn't ostensibly - eg, only when she thinks relevant - self-identity as such in her public life. Same with Obama. I really hate this. At worst, it could be interpreted as suggesting that mixed race or ethnic minorities haven't been accepted before for reasons not only to do with prejudice. It is shameful that our history has been bigoted, but I disagree with giving a person that baggage to be working through. Let them decide when or if to refer to their heritage.

That is what I think. Ditto for Sunak and Sajid and Suella, etc.

Why say, in the press, that's she is mixed race or black, when she doesn't ostensibly - eg, only when she thinks relevant - self-identity as such in her public life. Same with Obama.

I hate that too. Gross. It's lazy journalism coupled with a not so subtle attempt to poke a bear, it's corruptive: everything that is said about the person after that is tinted. People are people, we don't need to be told about their skin.

@Gilmorehill @croque clearly she thought the bigger the wedding and fanfare the better. While it was not clear then, it is clear now. Hindsight is a beautiful thing

The guest list clearly suggested that it was the start of elevating her/their brand. It was noticed at the time but people were happy and optimistic in general. There was a lot of goodwill in the air.

I totally agree there was a lot of goodwill from the public. They were happy for Harry
who so clearly wanted to settle down.

Meghan's MO is usually to take a kernel of truth and spin a lie around it.

That Kate made her cry... MM may have cried, but it was because she was called out by Givenchy staff for b 2yo Princess Charlotte. The staff member allegedly said she made fun of her and recruited J Mulroney's daughter to wade in

She said her letter at age 11 changed the language of a sexist dish soap ad. The truth is that her letter was one of many written by her entire class as a school project. Also, the wording was changed within a few months of the class letters being sent and it takes longer to reproduce and air a new commercial. In other words, Procter and Gamble changed the words before the class's letters were received.

She claimed she got a standing ovation from the UN because of a speech she gave. The video says otherwise.

She said she worked her way through school. Her father has produced the canceled checks showing that he paid every penny for her.

She claims to have given up her career in Hollywood for Harry. Really she had a supporting role on a cable series that most of America had never seen and those who had seen it were only vaguely aware of her. She was being written out of the series and was pushing 40. She needed a new gig. She was actively rebranding herself as an influencer with her blog. She even wrote Wendy Williams asking to be on her show. In other words, she wasn't giving up anything that hadn't given her up first

She said she hadn't seen her sister in 15 years or more but there are photos of her with her sister as recently as 8 years ago.

She said her sister only changed her name back to Markle when Meghan and Harry stated dating. Samantha Markle not only was a Markle more than a decade before Meghan was born, but she produced evidence that she changed her name back to Markle in 1997, I believe. So a long time before Meghan met Harry.

In the same interview where Meg said this anout her sister, she also said she didn't have any brothers or sisters.

That she worked at a Frozen Yoghurt shop at age 13. CA law doesn't permit children to work until age 16. Children can work at 15 but they need a special permit.

That the palace took her keys and passport and essentially locked her away before abd after Archie's birth. The truth is that she went to New York twice, once for a $500,000 baby shower and once to jinx Serena Williams at the US Open-- thats when Serena's mom cold shouldered her. She also went to Misha NoNoos wedding in Italy and went on a couple of vacations

Archie wasn’t made a prince due to race: proof is the 100+ year old letters patent decreeing which great grandchildren get titles.

Married privately at KP three days before the wedding with just two of them & Archbishop. Proof is the laws governing marriage in the UK—KP is not a legal venue, witnesses are required, plus license was filed legally as the ceremony at Windsor.

She lied at an audition and said she was in the union when she wasn't.

forgot to tell the court she had cooperated with an entire book

I could go on

This is a rewriting of history. MN and other sites were full of awful threads, including racism.

This thread in 2019 summarised all the horrible threads about Meghan and Harrys wedding in 2019.
www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3254056-Royal-wedding-disappointed-at-all-the-nasty-MN-threads

I don’t know about that as my dm was ill with terminal cancer at the time so I didn’t have the time to waste online. However I know my friends, family and community were happy for Harry and looking forward to seeing what kind of royal couple they’d be. There were lots of royal wedding parties and I know several people who went to line the streets.
Do you actually live in the U.K. or do you get your ‘information’ from social media sites?

Wow. It sounds like you must have been there on every occasion!

😂😂 nah don’t be silly