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Harry and Meghan - lies?

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FurAndFeathers · 28/10/2022 19:51

Ok I’m keeping my fingers crossed this thread will not descend into an unsubstantiated bun fight! Please bear with me.

I’m definitely no Royalist, and am pretty ambivalent about H and M but from the little I’ve read they seem to have been treated pretty badly. However I keep seeing on other threads here that their claims have all be proven to be lies, which would make me much less sympathetic to them. But I can’t find any verification for this.

So I’m asking more knowledgeable posters - what lies specifically have H&M told and where’s the evidence to the contrary please?

thank you

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PreparationPreparationPrep · 30/12/2022 12:22

No, that's not possible. Their children are equally protected by codes of practice and by previous court rulings on publishing photos of children of celebrities.

So they just use pictures of monkeys instead ?

Roussette · 30/12/2022 12:23

No they don't use that word but I have seen words like. I can't stand them, they make me sick. Megain. Etc etc. Alongside the endless negative threads or positive or neutral threads that get high jacked by deliberate and hateful comments which aren't even helpful to those who don't like the couple but want to engage

This a million times ^^

The really horrible nicknames, the posts calling Harry dim, thick, not the brightest bulb, a sandwich short of a picnic, and lots more, . Then Meghan ... her opening her mouth is like a slurry of shit coming out, she is devious, a narc, manipulative, evil, cruel, an awful mother, and far worse. Some posts have absolutely shocked me in their nastiness about another human being.
If that's not hate, I'm glad I'm not some posters' enemy because how much worse can it be.

MarshaMelrose · 30/12/2022 12:29

however I find it odd that they are held responsible for posters choosing to criticise them.

I guess it depends on how you interpret "responsible". If they didn't put the information out there and broadcast their personal details, photos, feelings, thoughts, etc, people wouldn't be able to rifle through it and criticise it. If you don't know it exists, you can't really have an opinion on it.
So they're not putting a gun to anyone's head to make them write stuff, but they're relying on exciting people's feelings about them, which will inevitably lead people to write online. Harry even alludes to that himself.

NimrodNimroy · 30/12/2022 12:30

ladygindiva · 30/12/2022 12:03

Is that not possibly because Kate and offspring are " protected" by media arrangements with RF and Meghan and offspring are not?

I think all children in the UK are protected by a law meaning papparazi can't photograph them going to and from School

AutumnCrow · 30/12/2022 12:33

PreparationPreparationPrep · 30/12/2022 12:22

No, that's not possible. Their children are equally protected by codes of practice and by previous court rulings on publishing photos of children of celebrities.

So they just use pictures of monkeys instead ?

'They' was Danny Baker on Twitter and he rightly lost his job over it. He said he was trying ridicule the class disparities but that was a pathetic excuse given MM's background.

The worst cartoon I saw of MM was from the Charlie Hebdo magazine (Paris) which seems to have been removed from the internet now. No monkeys, but plenty of bananas. This was supposed to be riff on Josephine Baker / the banana messages, but when I looked at it I just thought 'that's racist' and I have a pretty good satire radar. Many of us know how bananas are used at European football matches.

MarshaMelrose · 30/12/2022 12:39

PreparationPreparationPrep · 30/12/2022 12:22

No, that's not possible. Their children are equally protected by codes of practice and by previous court rulings on publishing photos of children of celebrities.

So they just use pictures of monkeys instead ?

If monkey pictures were used instead of their children, that would completely substantiate the pp's claim that she'd be able to pick up her children without a host of photographers around her, wouldn't it? 🤔

Seriously, one individual did that and he was sacked immediately. I have no idea why you would post such a bizarre suggestion.

Blip · 30/12/2022 12:48

MN has moderators for hate speech though so why not just report any instances that you find and leave it to them to deal with?

Given that H&M are likely not mumsnetters and don't partake in social media I'm not sure what the OP and the few other people who post obsessively (50-100 posts on individual threads) "supporting" the couple are trying to achieve.

Roussette · 30/12/2022 12:52

MN has moderators for hate speech though so why not just report any instances that you find and leave it to them to deal with?

Because they have changed their stance on hate speech as far as H&M are concerned. I have reported truly horrible posts that would never ever stand about any other famous person, and they have suggested I kick back against them with my opinion instead of removing the hate speech post.

They used to remove such posts before.

Blip · 30/12/2022 12:54

Ah so you feel you need to take the role of moderator on H&M threads?

Serenster · 30/12/2022 12:56

That quite possibly has to do with Meghan and Harry’s own actions though. There are clear UK court rulings that hold that the more you publicise about yourself in order to generate positive coverage, the more you open yourself up to negative publicity and comment from people about your activities (and that that is fair).

Courting publicity is a double edged blade in effect.

MrsFinkelstein · 30/12/2022 13:01

I don't believe H&M are "liars", though a few things they've said have been found to be factually untrue. Meghan had a horrific time from the Press, some (not all) racist in nature.

What I do think they are guilty of is frequently embellishing and exaggeration of their narrative.

I do find them highly annoying due to this - as I do with anyone I know within my own life that does this.

Just a couple of examples from their reality show:
Harry was in the armed forces for 10yrs and "went to war twice" which gave him a lived experience and an insight no one else in his family has. Yes, he did and he should be applauded for that. But he's not the only 1. His uncle was in the Navy for decades and was deployed to the Falklands War. His grandfather fought in WW2. His brother served for years (although never deployed to a warzone) and also worked as a Search & Rescue and then as an Air Ambulance pilot. Harry was NOT the only one (& even his experience would have been highly managed).

The clips of Meghan being criticised for her hat as if tthis was solely her. I'm sure Beatrice would like to comment.

The security threats at their wedding and snipers being deployed. That's the norm for any really high profile celeb public wedding, never mind a Royal Wedding.

Harry was the only one to marry for love. Again, a complete exaggeration. His father didn't really 1st time, absolutely agree, but his aunts & uncles all did, his paternal grandparents did, his brother did. The need to paint this as The Greatest Love Story Ever Told is immature.

There's a sh*t ton more but I can't be arsed and I'm waiting on my Asda order.

I don't hate them, i just find them highly annoying and take everything they say with a huge pinch of salt.

They seem to have a desperate need to control the narrative (to an unhealthy degree) and will twist events so they are always the victims. I dislike when people do that.

bakalava · 30/12/2022 13:13

I don't like any members of the RF. However, I really resent H&M's supporters trying to control the narrative. This is similar to what H&M do themselves on a grander scale and given their big spending habits, it is valid to question if there is a trickle down.

There is the obvious irony of people believing that they are freer and nicer than others desperately trying to close down free speech. I am not the first person to point this out but the tide is turning on the hypocrisy which is troubling the polarised minds.

There is also the naivety of projecting your own social position and the restricted field of your knowledge/wisdom/life experience onto people you don't approve of. You do not know who you are communicating with online. You do not know what they do/do not know so it makes no sense to shout them down because you don't like what they have to say.

Roussette · 30/12/2022 13:32

Blip · 30/12/2022 12:54

Ah so you feel you need to take the role of moderator on H&M threads?

No. Where did I say that? I don't.

Stop twisting words of mine, it does you no favours.

Roussette · 30/12/2022 13:34

However, I really resent H&M's supporters trying to control the narrative

How on earth do they do that? Just because you have a different opinion and don't like opposing views, you can't call it 'controlling the narrative'

FurAndFeathers · 30/12/2022 13:35

Blip · 30/12/2022 12:16

I agree that despise is absolutely not the same as hate.

What hateful things have been said on this thread though?

BINGO!

please do educate me 😁

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Roussette · 30/12/2022 13:36

You do not know what they do/do not know so it makes no sense to shout them down because you don't like what they have to say.

I agree. Detractors do a lot of this.

FurAndFeathers · 30/12/2022 13:38

MarshaMelrose · 30/12/2022 12:29

however I find it odd that they are held responsible for posters choosing to criticise them.

I guess it depends on how you interpret "responsible". If they didn't put the information out there and broadcast their personal details, photos, feelings, thoughts, etc, people wouldn't be able to rifle through it and criticise it. If you don't know it exists, you can't really have an opinion on it.
So they're not putting a gun to anyone's head to make them write stuff, but they're relying on exciting people's feelings about them, which will inevitably lead people to write online. Harry even alludes to that himself.

Interesting then that so many posters who wish them ill are so keen to be ‘excited’ into writing about them

surely the sensible thing would be to simply say nothing rather than continually stoke discussion

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FurAndFeathers · 30/12/2022 13:41

Blip · 30/12/2022 12:48

MN has moderators for hate speech though so why not just report any instances that you find and leave it to them to deal with?

Given that H&M are likely not mumsnetters and don't partake in social media I'm not sure what the OP and the few other people who post obsessively (50-100 posts on individual threads) "supporting" the couple are trying to achieve.

Hate speech is a legal term and is not the same as hatred or hateful language

as someone able to differentiate the nuance between hate and despise i’d’ve expected you to know that.

however calling me obsessive is a personal attack which is against talk guidelines.

it is entirely possible to make a point without unpleasant personal attacks you know?

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Blip · 30/12/2022 13:47

@FurAndFeathers
Please report me if you feel I have personally attacked you as I cannot see that I have anywhere.

FurAndFeathers · 30/12/2022 13:51

Blip · 30/12/2022 13:47

@FurAndFeathers
Please report me if you feel I have personally attacked you as I cannot see that I have anywhere.

I never report personal attacks against myself. I prefer to let the other person’s unpleasantness stand as a testament to their character.

you want to call me names and throw mental health slurs around then at least have the integrity to own it.

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Blip · 30/12/2022 13:56

That sounds like a slur on me

Aspiringmatriarch · 30/12/2022 13:57

JoyPeaceSleep · 30/12/2022 10:27

In their engagement interview they said they didn't want to name the person who fixed them up, then in the netflix thing they said they met on instagram. I think they are so very conscious ofcurating an image the whole time. They need to realise that this is what makes them look so bad.
Especially when the judge in the MOS case caught her out ''forgetting'' that she had co-operated with Finding with Freedom.

She / they should stop thinking about how they look and just make the truth important generally. But you can't force insight on other people. So on they plough making all the same mistakes.

At first I thought they'd learn from their mistakes once they saw it play out. But nope.

Why does this make them look bad? They said Harry saw her on Instagram and asked a mutual friend who she was and that friend set them up.
And the Jason Knauf emails showed she wasn't keen to have anything to do with the Scobie book but was advised by Knauf/the Palace not to be obstructive to avoid the book becoming a hatchet job. But people still claim it was basically ghostwritten for her - she sent an email via Knauf with some background information. That's all.

Diverseopinions · 30/12/2022 13:59

FurAndFeathers · 30/12/2022 10:46

I guess ‘we’ is posters on this thread.

I’m simply trying to understand the rationale for the very obvious hatred directed towards them.

that’s my understanding from the information posted so far

I think the crucial difference is being related to the people you are critisizing.

Anyone can critisize capitalism, atheism, the Church, Hollywood. That is their right. Usually they would like their criticism to a bigger argument about what it is to be a human being; how can society be better, going forward. These types of opinion polemics are designed to promote debate.

Sometimes people in the know critisize an industry, e.g. former teenage models critisize the modelling industry and the importance placed by it on being very thin. Former child footballers critisize the ruthlessness of the Club system. If they do this, they are seriously arguing for radical reform or abolition of these industries.

Meghan and Harry claim to be presenting their personal story. Their argument, purportedly, is that they received unequal treatment. They would like their children to be Prince and Princess and they are using and wishing to retain their titles into the future. They are neither presenting an argument against privilege or against monarchy. It is useful to them on the terms they want to set.

They have slurred the Royal Family in the process of making their case to have been unfairly made unpopular by the press and specific royals of a similar generation, i.e. William and Kate, but not Prince Philip who made hugely inappropriate comments about racial characteristics, but apparently is ok, cos he is like a vote royal and not in competition with them for popularity.. But if the public rallied and wrote petitions to have Harry do more royal duties in his manner of doing it, the couple would be pleased. They are invoking all sorts of arguments to try to make themselves popular again, but they haven't got a serious purpose in mind - just using the royal family in whatever way seems most useful to them at any one time.

This may change, and they might in future say they believe that the British Monarchy ought to be abolished. This would be fair, if they believe it, and it seems to be the logical end game of their mission.

However, in the absence of any points to support that anti-monarchy interpretation - e.g. a public statement when they accepted the JFK Foundation Award, rather than a soft peddle,counsellor speak about stating out own truth, it looks like a personal profile improving campaign and it looks too like subtle blackmail. It is a drip, drip of damaging statements and some weird veiled threats, like in that article on which Meghan looked fearsome in green, like you'd visualise a beautiful witch from The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe or the Queen from Sleeping Beauty. She was saying that she hadn't signed anything saying that she would not speak out and she can be silent or vocal as she chooses. She was doing threatening in an artistic way.

So the couple don't have the honesty to say what they do mean. Or rather they have no serious meaning, they just want greater popularity, more money and a high profile. The royals are just their stepping stone to get it.

Harry has thrown his family under the bus. He will say anything to suit the moment. It has started to damage the serious role of monarchy, well the JFK Foundation award did, the only thing, I'd say. But he doesn't stop for breath.

FurAndFeathers · 30/12/2022 14:01

Aspiringmatriarch · 30/12/2022 13:57

Why does this make them look bad? They said Harry saw her on Instagram and asked a mutual friend who she was and that friend set them up.
And the Jason Knauf emails showed she wasn't keen to have anything to do with the Scobie book but was advised by Knauf/the Palace not to be obstructive to avoid the book becoming a hatchet job. But people still claim it was basically ghostwritten for her - she sent an email via Knauf with some background information. That's all.

Is that finding freedom @JoyPeaceSleep ?

that’s interesting - a PP said that Meghan was shown to have lied about her involvement with the book in court. Is that not the case?

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Roussette · 30/12/2022 14:01

Blip
I'm not sure what the OP and the few other people who post obsessively (50-100 posts on individual threads "supporting" the couple are trying to achieve.

Do you not find it odd that you are criticising those who hate bullying, hate vile posts and slurs, horrible nicknames, continual threads about a couple they don't know... so that some posters come on and bring some balance to the threads and call out horrible posts... yet it's OK according to you for hundreds of threads slagging the couple off to carry on without any pushback.? What in god''s name are the 'detractors' (my polite term) trying to achieve?

That's the question you should be asking, rather than the other way round.
Unless you are intent on a corner of the internet to be purely an echo chamber for despising two people you don't know, with no one in disagreement? There are forums for that you know... MN isn't one of them.

Sorry to tell you, I will just carry on

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