Unpopular Opinion - William and Kate

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Don't come at me, I'm sharing my unpopular opinion because I want to know what you all think but just don't see a spark between William & Kate.

Loved them since the day they starting dating way back when they were undergrads at St Andrews but I just don't see their connection in pictures and it seems a little forced when she has her hand on his back or when they do hold hands.

I don't expect them to hold hands and snog because I know they're mostly photographed whilst they're working but he looks bored and she looks like she's trying her best.

Does anyone agree with me?

Oh really? 🤔
MM has put enough of herself out there to allow people to judge that accurately. You don't know anything about me. You can only judge another upon the basis of your own experience and abilities and let me just say that it is not shining through for you even though you may not be aware of it.
The worrying thing is that you are too tone deaf and arrogant to see the difference.

I know Charles said he did not know what a caution meant and that he believed Ball that the accusations were lies.

How stupid do you have to be to believe that?

Given some of the comments on this very thread demonstrating posters’ ignorance about common legal concepts, I’m not entirely sure how to answer that without my post being deleted!

I have noticed that it is actually pointless engaging with you because you consistently miss the point and your payback hits are always flatulent and irrelevant. Therefore, I would not get the satisfaction of a good argument from you. I am quite particular about my choice of sparring partner and while you are clearly vying for attention, I would suggest devoting your energies to somebody who has the bandwith to accommodate your immensely large and immensely weak ego. My last word to you.

Are you quoting this in response to my query of when Charles helped him? In the 1990s? So, long before any conviction?

They understand.

@MarshaMelrose 😄

You are tying yourselves up in knots in your efforts to rehabilitate Andrew

Nobody on here is trying to rehabilitate A but it may happen for him anyway given this latest development. I would not be at all surprised to see him try to re-enter public life on the basis of the fact that there is now uncertainty surrounding his role in the events that saw him removed from it.

There are posters who consistently , tiresomely , try to muddy the waters re Andrew .

There is a lot more coming for the royals and their sycophants to bat away
I wonder what excuses will be found then .

How you can keep trying to smooth over what Andrew has done and downplay what others connected to the royals have done is between you and your conscience.

I've never made any comment on Andrew. Just corrected people both quoting settlement figures as fact and believing they can come to automatic conclusions over legal settlements.

So across the sea to Aussie is where VG may be emboldened to make her statements, but she has to thread carefully, and she knows, it's not called the 'global village' for nothing !

Why are people doing this to her? Making her sound like she's a scared, timid mouse? She's not. She's repeatedly shown that she's willing to stand up for herself.

The simple fact is that Dershowitz has been fighting her allegations for years and wanted legal records unsealed. He wouldn't offer a settlement and wanted to question her in court. Just like Andrew, she could never be sure what would come to light in a court case. Certainly there has been a lot made of dates that she's got wrong. So she wanted to avoid it too. Interesting, though, that she has retracted the allegation rather than just withdrawn her courtcase. But good for Dershowitz fir fighting his corner.

Yeah good on Dershowitz negotiating a non prosecution agreement for Epstein for his first string of sex offences back in 2005.
That kept JE out of prison and enabled him to carry on with his coercion, rape and trafficking for years, preying on young girls.
Dershowitz and JE were very friendly. You're judged by the company you keep.

Which is exactly the point I was making upthread, Roussette.

Dershowitz does not come across as a nice guy, that’s for sure (he might be lovely, i don’t know him!) but he’s not often on the side of the angels. So it would be quite easy to assume he’s exactly the kind of loathsome crony of Epstein who would also take advantage of the young women Epstein trafficked. Before the events of this week, I imagine most posters would have absolutely believed Virginia’s allegations against Dershowitz too. But she’s withdrawn them and admitted she may have been mistaken.

Whatever the veracity of VG's withdrawn allegations about Dershowitz he's an undoubted sleazeball. That coupled with the fact she has banked a significant sum now following Andrew Windor's payout that could all be risked if she was to advance into the headwinds of taking on rich powerful men without bulletproof documentary evidence to back it up. What is beyond doubt is that she and many other young teenage vulnerable girls were groomed, procured and treated like sexual candy by Epstein and his many sleazebag friends and why anyone on here would wish to deflect that truth is beyond me.

www.vox.com/identities/2019/7/30/20746983/alan-dershowitz-jeffrey-epstein-sarah-ransome-giuffre

I know the feeling @vera99 .
So dispiriting .

While VG has changed her story, she was trafficked, and abused by rich men. She was a vulnerable girl when she met Epstein. It would be easy if it was all simple black and white but these stories are often complicated, and there is rarely a ‘perfect victim’ who can’t be smeared by an expensive defence

i’m so furious that Epstein in one of his last acts managed to tie his money up in a trust to ensure none of his victims will see a penny.

That's what lawyers do. They get the best deal they can for their client. It's down to the prosecution and the evidence they have how good deal that is. If you employed a lawyer for your child, you'd want them to do the same.
I often see on MN tcriticism to cuts to UK legal aid. What do people think those lawyers,are doing if not getting the best deal by avoiding or minimising gaol terms for guilty clients? It's how the law works.
And, yes, good on Dershowitz standing firm on a wrongful accusation and fighting it. He didn't just hope it would blow over, instead he actively challenged her and took the fight to her.

@Croque Well, it is certainly true that I don't match 'your' intellectual standards 😅

@Roussette

Perhaps you should look at the DA who made the deal and why, rather than blaming the lawyer for doing his job to the best of his ability.

A lawyers job is to do the best he can for his client no matter what he feels about the client.

Epstein was not just a client, he was a friend also
They spent a lot of time together. That tells me all I need to know about Dershowitz

Yes. I know all about Acosta. Trump's pal

He was heavily criticised by the Justice Dept and forced to resign because of the plea deal he did for Epstein

Think how many victims would've been spared if he'd done his job properly

"Acosta was the US attorney in Miami when he oversaw a non-prosecution agreement for Epstein in 2008, which secretly ended a federal sex abuse investigation involving at least 40 teenage girls that could have landed him behind bars for life."

@Roussette

Epstein was also heavily involved in the towers financial ponzi scheme that collapsed, most of the others went to jail but he wasn’t charged even though he was one of the main players. He should have spent a long time in jail

He led quite the charmed life

Well, quite - or he had his tentacles so deeply into into the circles of the wealthy and powerful that he was well protected on the basis that if went down they’d go down too. I’ve always thought it telling that the only two people who have really faced any sort of sanction for his activities are a British woman and a British Prince - both outsiders to the American circles of power he moved in. I am quite sure there is almost no appetite within US criminal agencies to take any further action.

@vera99

"What is beyond doubt is that she and many other young teenage vulnerable girls were groomed, procured and treated like sexual candy by Epstein and his many sleazebag friends and why anyone on here would wish to deflect that truth is beyond me."

As I said below I agree with you and frequently ask why anyone seeks to deflect / downplay Andrew's association with Epstein and his activities .
I assumed desperation on the part of committed royalists . Now I'm wondering if some of these posters are actually men