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Unpopular Opinion - William and Kate

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EdaYildiz · 13/10/2022 21:27

Don't come at me, I'm sharing my unpopular opinion because I want to know what you all think but just don't see a spark between William & Kate.

Loved them since the day they starting dating way back when they were undergrads at St Andrews but I just don't see their connection in pictures and it seems a little forced when she has her hand on his back or when they do hold hands.

I don't expect them to hold hands and snog because I know they're mostly photographed whilst they're working but he looks bored and she looks like she's trying her best.

Does anyone agree with me?

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antelopevalley · 31/10/2022 11:38

They have been at various events from pantomimes to football.

Mindthegap725 · 31/10/2022 12:54

Actually, a lot of people thought Charles and Diana were ill-matched from the start

That's the point though milveycrohn! Of course they were badly matched because she was chosen to fit the PR model of what was acceptable then ( virgin, innocent,attractive and young and healthy enough to give birth & continue the line). His actual choice didn't fit the fairytale image then. Diana was badly used even though she believed she was a willing participant at the time.

And sorry but if you want the country to support a monarchy and share all the happy bits, the downside of the Faustian pact is that the not so happy bits get shared too. Possibly when you don't want them to be.

It's couched in terms of "being dignified and not airing your dirty linen in public", a philosophy I think we can all sympathise with, whether that's a sibling dispute, a marriage breakdown or in some cases , a civil or criminal charge. Look at any Facebook page, everyone prefers to put their best side on public show. But the RF, if they want to maintain their existence, really can't have it both ways. They need public support and interest to survive, but they are no longer able to restrict that interest to the fairytale happy bits if they want to maintain credibility.

Far better to have a republic imho and release them from this pampered but torturous transactional existence.

milveycrohn · 31/10/2022 15:33

@Mindthegap725. I think it has now come to light that the Paronama interview was also given because Bashir (under the guise of the BBC) convinced Diana that she was being monitored, etc, to the extent that she no longer trusted her Royal bodyguards, etc.
However, I understood that Charles and Diana had reached a new 'rapport' by the time of her death, or at least a weak freindship, or so I read. And that is the point. These interviews are given at a moment in time, and circumstances change as we grow older, and we often look back and see things differently. However, Diana is forever captured at that moment in time on TV in an interview, in which she felt a particular way.

derxa · 31/10/2022 15:37

Novella4 · 31/10/2022 09:06

Oh and in case you've forgotten - the kings and queens of England claim they are anointed by God as head of the church so yes they are saying they are an example

There are no longer any kings and queens of England

antelopevalley · 31/10/2022 15:47

Diana told the truth on Panorama. Bashirs lies persuaded her to do the interview, but she still said what had happened to her. That is the inconvenient truth.

Novella4 · 31/10/2022 15:52

@derxa well I wish that were true !
Charles (and if he makes it William ) is head of the church if England which is why is wrote England . Of course it UK .
I must have touched a nerve there oops

derxa · 31/10/2022 15:53

Novella4 · 31/10/2022 15:52

@derxa well I wish that were true !
Charles (and if he makes it William ) is head of the church if England which is why is wrote England . Of course it UK .
I must have touched a nerve there oops

No nerves touched. I'm Scottish

derxa · 31/10/2022 15:55

antelopevalley · 31/10/2022 15:47

Diana told the truth on Panorama. Bashirs lies persuaded her to do the interview, but she still said what had happened to her. That is the inconvenient truth.

We were all cheering her on but she said she regretted it.

Roussette · 31/10/2022 20:42

Mindthegap725 · 31/10/2022 10:49

The point is surely that none of us know for sure what the truth is do we? A version of the truth will come out in time but the entire Royal shebang is one large PR exercise isn't it? And I think the men in grey suits know that if Wills and Kate were to split, that would probably be the end.

On a personal level, I hope they are happy of course, and I like them and wouldn't ever wish a young family like that to break up. I just think we all need to sit down and have a collective think about why it is necessary to have this projection of the "perfect" family at the heart of our society? Why do we need it?

What this thread demonstrates is that some people desperately want to buy in to the romance of the televised weddings and the Queen's long marriage, and I don't know for sure of course but I think the reality is probably different to our perception. Their culture is different to ours. Aristocrats who are as rich as Croesus are probably some of the few people left in the uk who have the resources and the odd spare house in which to conduct a long running affair without being caught, and the obliging friends to cover it up. (Well, along with long distance lorry drivers and the military😀. )

And imho this fundamental deception is what led to the strong emotions over the whole Charles v Diana debacle. Not that the public were outraged by the affairs or infidelity, but the fact that the real situation was the inverse of what the giant Buckingham Palace PR machine was projecting. The public are invited to join in celebrating fairytale weddings and new births, but the shutters come down when there are disputes and affairs.

Personally I think it's all too anachronistic in 2022 and on a practical level it's virtually impossible to maintain the PR illusion of the "perfect" family in the day of mobile phones and paparazzi without the cracks showing. It also puts an impossible psychological strain on the people involved.

Time to end the charade I say! Let young children grow up away from the cameras. Let marriages flourish or flounder without press intrusion and impossible pressure and strain. We can still have wonderful pomp and ceremony thanks to our fantastic military forces and historic buildings. Let's release the RF from their goldfish bowls and establish a republic where enormous wealth and huge privilege at the heart of the nation are not held up to be all that is desirable and good.

[How on earth do you reconcile being as rich as Croesus and head of the Church of England anyway?]

@Mindthegap725

What a brilliant post. You have truly encapsulated all I feel.

I just don't think the RF can carry on in its present antiquated form. This might not go down well but I truly feel sorry for the kids of William and Kate, especially George. Imagine your life being mapped out for you from birth.
Times have changed, the RF need to or disband.

JanetSally · 31/10/2022 20:49

Novella4 · 31/10/2022 08:52

Do you believe every bit of royal PR rubbish you are spoon fed?

No.

What's your point?

Novella4 · 31/10/2022 20:57

@JanetSally
I was replying to someone - read the thread

Novella4 · 31/10/2022 21:03

@Roussette
I was good to link mindthegap's post on another thread . Wasn't sure I could do that though

Isn't her summary great ?

My only quibble is that it doesn't address the sex offenders / pedophiles / law and financial 'issues' with regard to reasons to remove the monarchy .
But if we add ' for their own good' to the list , I'm happy

derxa · 31/10/2022 21:07

I just don't think the RF can carry on in its present antiquated form. This might not go down well but I truly feel sorry for the kids of William and Kate, especially George. Imagine your life being mapped out for you from birth.
Times have changed, the RF need to or disband.
You'd be surprised at how many people follow in their parents' footsteps. George can step down if he likes.

vera99 · 31/10/2022 21:09

Roussette · 31/10/2022 20:42

@Mindthegap725

What a brilliant post. You have truly encapsulated all I feel.

I just don't think the RF can carry on in its present antiquated form. This might not go down well but I truly feel sorry for the kids of William and Kate, especially George. Imagine your life being mapped out for you from birth.
Times have changed, the RF need to or disband.

Wonderfully said but we malcontents look in the mirror in the morning and watch our warped, twisted hollow souled eyes stareback at us exposing the shallowness of our pathetic views. Apparently 😂

Coucous · 31/10/2022 21:12

@Mindthegap725 That's an amazing post. We can only wish that could happen, however, sadly, those who benefit from press intrusion would not allow it to end.

Novella4 · 31/10/2022 21:13

I also think that mindthegap's analysis explains some of the H and M hate.it's fine to dislike people - everyone had their taste but the unrelenting nature of the criticism H and M receive is out of proportion.

But if you view Megxit from the point of someone invested in the fairytale and these two reject that fairytale, in fact they expose a lot of rot behind the facade, it must be very disorienting if youve spent years admiring and believing in 'royalty'

Roussette · 31/10/2022 21:15

derxa · 31/10/2022 21:07

I just don't think the RF can carry on in its present antiquated form. This might not go down well but I truly feel sorry for the kids of William and Kate, especially George. Imagine your life being mapped out for you from birth.
Times have changed, the RF need to or disband.
You'd be surprised at how many people follow in their parents' footsteps. George can step down if he likes.

After seeing how Harry was treated in the MSM, it's highly unlikely. He's trapped in that position whether he likes it or not

And I have no idea but from what I've seen he comes across as a gentle sensitive little boy, and who knows what that will mean for the future

MaulPerton · 31/10/2022 21:15

Let's release the RF from their goldfish bowls and establish a republic where enormous wealth and huge privilege at the heart of the nation are not held up to be all that is desirable and good

Er, have you looked toward the US recently where literal crime families of enormous wealth and huge privilege pass for presidents, speakers, etc.?

derxa · 31/10/2022 21:16

Novella4 · 31/10/2022 21:13

I also think that mindthegap's analysis explains some of the H and M hate.it's fine to dislike people - everyone had their taste but the unrelenting nature of the criticism H and M receive is out of proportion.

But if you view Megxit from the point of someone invested in the fairytale and these two reject that fairytale, in fact they expose a lot of rot behind the facade, it must be very disorienting if youve spent years admiring and believing in 'royalty'

I don't hate H&M. Why would I? They don't impinge on my life in any way. I'm glad they're making a new life. Doesn't stop me thinking they're vacuous twits though.

Roussette · 31/10/2022 21:21

derxa · 31/10/2022 21:16

I don't hate H&M. Why would I? They don't impinge on my life in any way. I'm glad they're making a new life. Doesn't stop me thinking they're vacuous twits though.

I don't know why that made me laugh but it did!
I'm tired, and my sense of humour is a bit warped today, I've laughed out loud at someone correcting a particularly awful racist on something he said.... "that isn't right though is it, you massive effing casserole" 🤣🤣🤣

derxa · 31/10/2022 21:21

Roussette · 31/10/2022 21:15

After seeing how Harry was treated in the MSM, it's highly unlikely. He's trapped in that position whether he likes it or not

And I have no idea but from what I've seen he comes across as a gentle sensitive little boy, and who knows what that will mean for the future

You're obsessed by the MSM. Is that because they criticise your darlings? I would hope that W&K will protect their children as much as possible and let them make their own way in life

Novella4 · 31/10/2022 21:22

Fine - scrap 'hate'
It explains the ' disproportionate unrelenting criticism ' that H and M receive on here

Roussette · 31/10/2022 21:24

derxa · 31/10/2022 21:21

You're obsessed by the MSM. Is that because they criticise your darlings? I would hope that W&K will protect their children as much as possible and let them make their own way in life

I'm not obsessed by anything. What a strangely personal post directed at me.

Yes I read the media, as do you. As for who 'my darlings' are...seriously derxa, just stop.

I was trying to have a reasonable conversation with you, about George. It's best if I stop trying obviously

derxa · 31/10/2022 21:25

Novella4 · 31/10/2022 21:22

Fine - scrap 'hate'
It explains the ' disproportionate unrelenting criticism ' that H and M receive on here

They're criticised because they come out with so much drivel. They're not evil just silly.

Novella4 · 31/10/2022 21:28

You spend a hell of a lot of time on 'silly' people

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