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Courtiers the release !

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jeffgoldblum · 05/10/2022 09:46

In preparation for the books release , and with permission from randompenguin , I thought it would be good to start this thread now !

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MarshaMelrose · 13/10/2022 14:23

This isn't the piece I read but it's similar to the rest of the press reports...

A source said: “This is a really big deal for Meghan. She takes the view that she doesn’t need to pay an outside firm a lot of money to do PR for her and Harry anymore.”

The publicity for their numerous ventures is being handled “in-house” at their charitable foundation, Archewell, by head of communications Christine Schirmer.

“All sides are on good terms and periodic advisory work continues.”

MarshaMelrose · 13/10/2022 14:37

I just read this take on Harry's relationships. It's quite interesting. Apologies if already posted.

news.yahoo.com/prince-harry-apos-lost-soul-043307346.html

Prince Harry has an established history of being "very much the subordinate" in his relationships, according to royal expert Duncan Larcombe.

Larcombe told Fox News Digital that 38-year-old was never the confident "Prince Charming" that he appeared to be.

"That's never been Harry at all, quite the reverse," Larcombe said.

Larcombe, who authored the 2017 biography "Prince Harry: The Inside Story," said that over the years, he has observed a pattern in the Duke of Sussex's romantic relationships.

"Harry has changed and morphed depending on who he’s been dating," the royal expert noted.

He said that the royal was "the boyfriend who's willing to go along and meet all the friends of the new girlfriend and just tag along."

Larcombe explained that this tendency was evident in Harry's relationship with his first love Chelsy Davy, 36, whom he dated on and off for seven years from 2004 to 2011.

Harry first met the Zimbabwean student in South Africa during his gap year when he was 19. The pair reportedly spent the entire summer together and continued dating after Harry returned to the U.K.

Larcombe said, "Harry befriended a whole group of her chums, basically he morphed into Chelsy's friends."

The couple's relationship was heavily scrutinized in the media and often became the subject of tabloid fodder. The pair's camping trips in Africa made headlines as photographers captured images of the prince sunbathing, paddling in a canoe and sleeping in a tent.

"He got a girlfriend who was from Africa, and before you knew it, Harry was walking around in his bare feet, sitting by campfire, paddling by in the outbacks of Africa," Larcombe said.

The royal expert said that Harry repeated the same pattern in his next serious relationship with British model and actress Cressida Bonas, 33. Larcombe described Bonas as a "Bohemian society girl who dragged Harry along to the Glastonbury Rock Festival."

"With Cressida, he was the Bohemian, going to music festivals dressed in brand new, expensive clothes."

Larcombe added, "And he sort of turned up almost like he'd been dressed by her. It's really awkward looking. He looked ridiculous."

He said, "The point is he really just morphed depending on who he's with, and that's a worrying sign."

Larcombe went on to describe how Harry's malleable nature is once again on display in his relationship with his wife Meghan Markle, 41, whom he married in 2018.

Harry and the former "Suits" actress announced that they were stepping down from their roles as senior officials and moving to the U.S., Markle's home country, in January 2020.

"Now he lives in Hollywood," Larcombe noted.

The couple released two photos this week in which they were pictured at a charity event in the U.K shortly before the death of Queen Elizabeth II.

The timing of the release raised some eyebrows as it came a day after King Charles, Queen Consort Camilla, Prince William and Kate Middleton posed for an official royal portrait unveiled by Buckingham Palace.

Many royal watchers speculated that Harry and Meghan's new photos were intended as a snub to the royal family

"These pictures they released this week show Harry is not in charge," Larcombe said.

He continued, "Meghan is the driving force in their relationship, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's a modern thing. But Harry has had to give up just about everything he ever had in order to make that possible for Meghan."

Larcombe pointed out that Harry's overall susceptibility to the influence of others has often resulted negative consequences.

"I think Harry's a very lost soul and has been potentially before his mother died," he said.

"Harry's a great guy, but has been very vulnerable to influences. Look how influences have affected Prince Harry's life."

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continued,"I'll go through a quick list. When he was in the last year at his high school, he gets in with a crowd of people that are taking drugs and Harry gets caught. When he goes with his friends to a fancy dress party, he wears a Nazi outfit and gets called out."

"When he goes to celebrate the end of Sandhurst, he gets dragged along to a strip club, he gets found out and then when he goes to Las Vegas, he turns stripper himself and Harry gets found out."

"These are all as a result of influences, bad influences, in his life because he is someone who is susceptible to being very influenced and easily led by the people around him. And I don't see how anyone could argue against that.

"That would be the opinion of King Charles about his own son," Larcombe added.

Larcombe expressed his doubts that Harry had reached a point where he makes his own decisions about his life. He indicated that signs point to Markle having sway over the prince's choices.

"Maybe we can believe Harry's his own man. Now he calls the shots. It doesn’t look like it," he said. "This looks like another example of how Harry has tried to morph himself into what he believes is the vision of normal as the person he's dating."

He continued, "It's normal, to Harry not to have his father in his life because Meghan doesn't. It's normal for Harry to go touring around for business and trying to secure the next book deal or TV deal because Meghan does. Harry's living his life as normal because it's Meghan’s normal."

"I can't see any longevity in that. Something's gotta give," Larcombe concluded.

Ladytreacle · 13/10/2022 15:18

@Coucous Apparently you’re not allowed to state on MN that the content on this thread is not factual – the single sentence I posted highlighting this was reported and deleted. I’d be lost for words if I wasn’t so amused. I’m also imagining what would have been my former professors’ bewilderment if on writing my thesis I had employed biased third-party sources (including YouTube videos) to form any of my arguments. Thank goodness for a stellar education.

@MrsMaxDeWinter I’m a great lover of books but I’ve never been keen on fantasy fiction so I’m out. Please let me know when you have resurrected your old thread. It would be wonderful to share a space where it’s possible to transfer and acquire knowledge based on reason and established facts 😀

Coucous · 13/10/2022 17:55

Croque · 13/10/2022 10:02

What happened to: two people fall in love, get married, have kids, one is loaded so they have a great life doing exactly what they like and live happily ever after. The End.
Where did the whole sickening infrastructure spring up from I wonder 🤔 ? PR agencies, deals, personal photographers, leaking on twitter via Omid, catty interviews, books tearing strips out of family members for money?

Isn't this exactly what Harry was brought up with? The entire family is filled with scandals. It makes the Kardashians look like saints. Infidelity, broken families, "leaking stories" in favour of burying some, changing laws to avoid taxes, hiding wealth, questionable behaviour from many of them, gaffes, stolen jewels, accepting gifts and large amounts of cash from questionable individuals, brushing shoulders with tabloid executives, etc - I mean the list is endless. He has learnt from the best.

Coucous · 13/10/2022 18:00

So if one needed qualifications to apply for the role of King/ Queen of England. I'd imagine they may need high qualifications - is anyone there qualified for the position?
I would love to see a different family in charge.

derxa · 13/10/2022 18:07

role of King/ Queen of England Not this again

jeffgoldblum · 13/10/2022 18:12

I see we have new happy posters!
Welcome 🤗, remember everyone has a right to an opinion, let's disagree without name calling and snippy comments!

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Coucous · 13/10/2022 18:16

jeffgoldblum · 13/10/2022 18:12

I see we have new happy posters!
Welcome 🤗, remember everyone has a right to an opinion, let's disagree without name calling and snippy comments!

If only!

Coucous · 13/10/2022 18:18

Ladytreacle · 13/10/2022 15:18

@Coucous Apparently you’re not allowed to state on MN that the content on this thread is not factual – the single sentence I posted highlighting this was reported and deleted. I’d be lost for words if I wasn’t so amused. I’m also imagining what would have been my former professors’ bewilderment if on writing my thesis I had employed biased third-party sources (including YouTube videos) to form any of my arguments. Thank goodness for a stellar education.

@MrsMaxDeWinter I’m a great lover of books but I’ve never been keen on fantasy fiction so I’m out. Please let me know when you have resurrected your old thread. It would be wonderful to share a space where it’s possible to transfer and acquire knowledge based on reason and established facts 😀

That's very bizarre - why is this the case? I thought everyone was welcome

Croque · 13/10/2022 19:00

jeffgoldblum · 13/10/2022 18:12

I see we have new happy posters!
Welcome 🤗, remember everyone has a right to an opinion, let's disagree without name calling and snippy comments!

😂

jeffgoldblum · 13/10/2022 19:10

@Croque , well , I do try! 🤣🤣🤣

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jeffgoldblum · 13/10/2022 19:12

@Croque , after having kids , I feel this qualifies me as an authentic hostage negotiator! 😉

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Croque · 13/10/2022 20:50

jeffgoldblum · 13/10/2022 19:12

@Croque , after having kids , I feel this qualifies me as an authentic hostage negotiator! 😉

Oh dear, where have the "positive" ones gone? 😮

Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/10/2022 21:37

A source said: “This is a really big deal for Meghan. She takes the view that she doesn’t need to pay an outside firm a lot of money to do PR for her and Harry anymore.”
The publicity for their numerous ventures is being handled “in-house” at their charitable foundation, Archewell, by head of communications Christine Schirmer

This is all very well, Marsha, but unless Ms Schirmer's prepared to work for nothing - which I doubt - it all has to be paid for, and that could mean even less money for the "causes"

I believe most accept that charities/fundations/whatever have legitimate costs around the promotion of their work, but using the income to promote the actual people seems to me a bit more questionable given that even this article conflates "her and Harry" and "their numerous ventures"

MaulPerton · 13/10/2022 21:44

Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/10/2022 21:37

A source said: “This is a really big deal for Meghan. She takes the view that she doesn’t need to pay an outside firm a lot of money to do PR for her and Harry anymore.”
The publicity for their numerous ventures is being handled “in-house” at their charitable foundation, Archewell, by head of communications Christine Schirmer

This is all very well, Marsha, but unless Ms Schirmer's prepared to work for nothing - which I doubt - it all has to be paid for, and that could mean even less money for the "causes"

I believe most accept that charities/fundations/whatever have legitimate costs around the promotion of their work, but using the income to promote the actual people seems to me a bit more questionable given that even this article conflates "her and Harry" and "their numerous ventures"

"fundations" 😀

Readinginthesun · 13/10/2022 21:52

Coucous · 13/10/2022 18:00

So if one needed qualifications to apply for the role of King/ Queen of England. I'd imagine they may need high qualifications - is anyone there qualified for the position?
I would love to see a different family in charge.

Who is the King/ Queen of England ?

MarshaMelrose · 13/10/2022 21:57

@Puzzledandpissedoff

Thats exactly what I was saying. Of course, it could be said the charity is promoting its ventures as opposed to Harry and Meghan, but when it's the founders of that charity who are using the ventures to promote themselves, ie they're giving money to Ving, it does seem a bit of a wheeze. 😂

Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/10/2022 22:14

"fundations" 😀

Oh hell I'm sorry - it was a genuine typo, buy maybe a pretty appropriate one?

And yes, Marsha, we appear to feel the same way on this, as in when does the promotion of the actual work for the charity's benefit turn into promotion of the personalities for their own
Obviously there's some crossover, but also I'd auggest the potential for something less palatable

MrsMaxDeWinter · 14/10/2022 20:00

@Ladytreacle did you see this sentence in the article posted above?

"He got a girlfriend who was from Africa, and before you knew it, Harry was walking around in his bare feet, sitting by campfire, paddling by in the outbacks of Africa," Larcombe said.

Does he think "Africa" is just one big campsite around which people paddle and walk barefoot?

MarshaMelrose · 14/10/2022 20:12

MrsMaxDeWinter · 14/10/2022 20:00

@Ladytreacle did you see this sentence in the article posted above?

"He got a girlfriend who was from Africa, and before you knew it, Harry was walking around in his bare feet, sitting by campfire, paddling by in the outbacks of Africa," Larcombe said.

Does he think "Africa" is just one big campsite around which people paddle and walk barefoot?

Does he think "Africa" is just one big campsite around which people paddle and walk barefoot?

I think he was commenting on the photos that were taken and published in the press. Not on the geographical features of the continent. 😄

MrsMaxDeWinter · 14/10/2022 22:56

MarshaMelrose · 14/10/2022 20:12

Does he think "Africa" is just one big campsite around which people paddle and walk barefoot?

I think he was commenting on the photos that were taken and published in the press. Not on the geographical features of the continent. 😄

You are being very charitable😀

The article says:

"With Cressida, he was the Bohemian, going to music festivals dressed in brand new, expensive clothes." Larcombe added, "And he sort of turned up almost like he'd been dressed by her. It's really awkward looking. He looked ridiculous." He said, "The point is he really just morphed depending on who he's with, and that's a worrying sign."*

The whole thrust of he piece is that Harry takes on the qualities of his girlfriends. For Cressida Bones, we are told he dressed in expensive clothes, went to music festivals because presumably, she was something of a Bohemian.

He then states that when he was Chelsy's girlfriend he "morphed" into someone who he was walking barefoot around campsites. Why? Because she is from "Africa". 😕

MarshaMelrose · 15/10/2022 00:02

To be fair @MrsMaxDeWinter , you missed out a whole paragraph.

The pair's camping trips in Africa made headlines as photographers captured images of the prince sunbathing, paddling in a canoe and sleeping in a tent.

That's why Larcombe said, Harry was walking around in his bare feet, sitting by campfire, paddling by in the outbacks of Africa."

He was just echoing the content of the photos. Not suggesting that Africa hasn't got wide and varied geographical and cultural diversity. And you know you're being a bit disingenuous to say otherwise. 😄

jeffgoldblum · 15/10/2022 00:47

@MarshaMelrose 👏 , well said !

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BasiliskStare · 15/10/2022 02:06

I think Harry takes his privilege for granted & ( the Invictus Games aside which I think is the one good thing he has done - ) doesn't realise than other than being KC's younger child - no-one would listen to him. I think MM is clinging on to the RF connection , because without Harry , who would listen to the 6th named suits actor - so she gets his privilege & is using it. I think they have a shelf life. . Do they have any original content for the Netflix / book deals which does not rely on the RF & complaining about stuff.

I had to giggle at Tina Brown ( genuinely talented woman ) who said - Harry ( and I paraphrase ) Elon Musk is single now

MidnightConstellation · 15/10/2022 07:32

I don’t actually think Meghan is a hugely appealing prospect now for another man anyway. She would be a twice divorced woman with two high profile children in her forties. Very rich men tend to want younger women without that baggage.