Courtiers the release !

[jeffgoldblum]

In preparation for the books release , and with permission from randompenguin , I thought it would be good to start this thread now !

Nice try but an obvious fail. The quote was:

It is H's family wealth alone which generates the lifestyle they are enjoying. M is very fortunate because she gets to spend his money and make all the decisions. She is even more fortunate because he does not seem to have the massive ego/status needs of other very wealthy men - most of whom would never have considered an older divorcee (unless they were in a similar situation themselves).

You deliberately excluded the last bit of my quote in order to make an invalid attack. You have form. Unless your knowledge of RF history goes back only ten years then you would know that Charles and Camilla were both divorcees with grown up kids and they didn't insist on a £30m white wedding but I think they should have done considering...

Oops! I expected better from a seven times published author 🤔

Thanks. I have no idea where the derailment involving advice about PHDs and playing with kids in Windsor Park actually appeared from 🙄

@Croque

Very true, cropping the last line is rather misleading rather like the headlines used in the OW interview.

If he didn't want to he could easily have said 'No' whatever his motivation they accepted an invitation to go out together.
Maybe he did feel he couldn't turn down the invite without causing more upset.

Who knows but it indicates a bridge being built. Remember William didn't need to ask him either.

I've just seen a tweet saying "I feel like MM talks about is about 20-30 years out of date."

I agree with you the moment has passed, though I'd probably say 10-20 years.

Sorry that quote should be "I feel like everything MM talks about is about 20-30 years out of date".

So you know these people then?
They are not doing it for money? Are the proceeds of the book being donated to charity?
I'm sorry I am not that naive.

🙄

In regards to the interesting posts about how M&H could rehabilitate their image, I think their biggest problem is that they believe it's the media who are responsible for their unpopularity, not their own words and actions.

It seems they think that if they just keep hammering the PR and telling people how good they are, then they'll be able to force people into believing it.

I wouldn't be surprised if ultimately that was why they split with Sunshine Sachs and have had various very experienced PR chiefs employed by Archewell come and go in a short space of time. I'm sure they must be getting good counsel, but they believe they know best, refuse to listen and insist on this continued onslaught of publicity - which unfortunately for them, a lot of the general public can see right through.

I've never seen anything close to self reflection from either of them in any of the interviews they've done - all the negative press and criticism they've attracted is unjust and racist, from their point of view.

If they stepped back for just a minute and had some honest self reflection on how their own actions or words have contributed to this perception, then they could take a path to significantly improve their public image. But while they're entrenched in victim mentality and 'we're right, everyone else is wrong' - that will never happen.

What happened to: two people fall in love, get married, have kids, one is loaded so they have a great life doing exactly what they like and live happily ever after. The End.
Where did the whole sickening infrastructure spring up from I wonder 🤔 ? PR agencies, deals, personal photographers, leaking on twitter via Omid, catty interviews, books tearing strips out of family members for money?

The sad thing is most people would give anything for their privileges. Yet all they do is carp and whine. It’s tragic.

If Camilla can have her image rehabilitated then H&M can. I have a vague recollection of bread rolls being thrown at Camilla. People & the press were vile. Now she’s Queen Consort.

I wonder if they left Sunshine Sachs because they cost a lot and if they do their PR through Archewell, the charity will pay for it?

That's a great point, and we don't really know the answer to this one. It must have something to do with the need for constant ego validation by others, the requirement for adulation, and the general wish to be adored <shudders>. We know that those who end up in the public eye rarely do so by accident. Only very few are reluctant to be there, and the majority actively seek it out. I can only think that there is a strong need to live that kind of life.

That’s actually very clever MarshaMeleose , why pay millions if the end result is not what you expect.
but there was something a few weeks ago about the reason being mainly due to the cut Article.

Sunshine Sachs said they're not clients anymore but they'll still be working together. Maybe Archewell will pay SS for "ad hoc" work. 😉

I think MMs reaction to The Cut article was speculation.

Obviously I don't KNOW anything and I could be defaming them (!), but she has announced that Archewell will be doing her PR. What a wheeze if they can wangle it that she can still use SS contacts for no personal cost.
Just a thought.

Camilla at no point tried to bad mouth the RF. She kept her head down and got on with choosing her charities carefully. And they played a long game probably 20 years in revamping her image before feeling she'd be accepted as Queen. Starting with odd appearances with PC at Ascot and stuff before their engagement and wedding and 17 years of marriage.

Harry I think they could bring people round too fairly quickly, his smile, inviticus games.

Meghan they'll have their work cut out. It will take a long time for people to trust her. So much stuff is half truths or twisted out of context.

They would also need to want to have their image revamped and keep quiet while it happens. Would they be prepared to play the long game 5 years plus to slowly rebuild their image?

I'm having a giggle to myself, at the thought of them basing their popularity on the wedding viewers.

£18m are in the UK are thought to have watched Harry and Meghans wedding.

In the UK its estimated £20m watched Charlene & Scott's from neighbours wedding 🤣

They would also need to want to have their image revamped and keep quiet while it happens. Would they be prepared to play the long game 5 years plus to slowly rebuild their image?

Do they have 5 years? I don't think they do.

Since Finding Freedom, they're now competing in the saturated celebrity marketplace, even if they think they're above all that. It's been getting on for 3 years since they played an active role in royal life. That's a long time in the fast moving world of celebrity. Meghan has now been ex royal for longer than she was a working royal. There's a new era in royal life just beginning, one in which they will play no part. Plus, they're no longer young. What, other than fading royal connections, do they have to offer? I think their moment has passed.

They'd have time if they were to go back as working Royals but not on the celebraty circuit.
But it would take time to slowly rebuild their image.

That's not going to happen though.

Charles made it very clear, in a very elegant way, that their future is overseas. Even if they wanted to return as working royals, and I'm not sure that they do, there's absolutely no way they would be trusted to represent the monarchy.

Never say never, stranger things have happened!

What have they got to offer on the celebrity circut?
Does that have a real future for them?

I don't think it does, but that's the life they've chosen.

Finding freedom and all that.

One wasn’t loaded enough to provide the desired lifestyle. Marrying into the British royal family was a step on the way to stratospheric wealth and global fame. I mean you’ve got to hand it to her, she knows where her sights are set and she certainly has huge self belief and the resilience and ability to adapt her plan according to the prevailing opportunities and obstacles.

I've never seen anything close to self reflection from either of them in any of the interviews they've done - all the negative press and criticism they've attracted is unjust and racist, from their point of view
If they stepped back for just a minute and had some honest self reflection on how their own actions or words have contributed to this perception, then they could take a path to significantly improve their public image. But while they're entrenched in victim mentality and 'we're right, everyone else is wrong' - that will never happen

Wisely put

she has announced that Archewell will be doing her PR

I'd missed this with being out of the UK, but if that's the case, Marsha, it's little wonder they've partnered with someone else in order to appear to be giving a $1 million donation

The US is full of "foundations" which appear to do more for the founders than anyone else - doubtless an attraction of setting one up - and it's hard to not wonder if this is just one more