‘Courtiers’ 2

[RandomPenguinHouse]

The last thread filled up during a particularly chatty morning.

@RandomPenguinHouse
I just posted a screenshot of Andrew accused of bullying stuff. Nothing to do with the FBI.

“…and has always had the natural advantage out of the both of them”

I actually disagree with you on that but even so, why are you talking about them as if they’re horses?

For those who claim to be interested in what the book says about Andrew's treatment of his staff, the Daily Mail today has a report based on Valentine Low's book, but it will come as no surprise to learn that it is not a big story but is in a side bar in which the main story is an excerpt about guess who, Meghan!!

If the reports about Andrew are true, his treatment of staff is worse than anything Meghan did, but of course, the point is to make it appear as though the Difficult Duchess is the only bully who has ever been in that family!

Okay, so the 'niggling' issue was actually US Vogue calling out the DM for its headline about H&M's engagement photo, not Meghan. My apologies: Niggling headline

As for the Archie title thing, there are lots of links to this story online, but this is one: Earl of Dumbarton

Her entire family seems far more toxic that the RF ever did. Apart from randy Andy, they were fairly normal in their relationships.

Frothing 😂😂. Why are people accused of frothing when they utter even the mildest criticism ??

An unnamed source is not Meghan.

An unnamed source is not Meghan.

Okay @notanotheroneagain, but they turned down the title, which strikes me as odd if they want their DC to have titles, and they seem to.

I’d imagine discretion and trustworthiness would be very valued traits.
The last thing anyone would want would be “Tales out of School” .
Being as potentially thousands could be made by leaked stories, they have to be careful.
Highgrove would be a gorgeous place to work, in the gardens.💕

You're not wrong!

The Ulvade trip was first publicised by the mother of one of the victims. The press were already there to photograph MM.

It's only natural for her PR team to make one statement if there are too many questions, distribute that to the media as and when. That is how it always works

I find it hard to believe that you can genuinely believe that, nota.

But I guess, if you do, you are a perfect example of the market they are aiming for - those who have no clue of what’s going on behind the scenes, and think that the press coverage they keep seeing about the Sussexes is organic. (It’s not).

@maranella

Meghan said nothing about the niggling headline. You also don't know that she refused the Earl of Dumbarton title for Archie for the reported reasons. And if you are going to accuse her of misusing the word guttural, at least learn to spell it right.

And archetype is perfectly fine in the context she is using it which is that of a frequently referred to or occurring motif or pattern that has been unconsciously developed, so the bitch, the dragon, the diva etc are all archetypes applied to women.

It's actually quite clever, and shows that she has done her research as it is a concept that comes from Jung: there are apparently 12 Jungian archetypes.

"Archetypes are universal, inborn models of people, behaviors, and personalities that play a role in influencing human behaviour."

Yes, I think it was to protect others. There were lots of stories about William and Anne temper.

www.marieclaire.com/celebrity/a37750673/prince-william-alleged-bullying-drove-out-meghan-markle-prince-harry-andrew-morton/

www.marieclaire.co.uk/news/celebrity-news/prince-william-fiery-temper-camilla-put-in-place-prince-charles-king-776515

Nothing in her podcast has anything to do with Jungian archetypes. Nor has she said anything that indicates she knows anything about Jung or that she's using Jungian concepts.

Her own words were podcast intended to "dissect, explore and subvert the labels that hold women back". Which would be... stereotypes. Not archetypes.

I don't think the poster who made the comment seems to know much either. The blind leading the blind.

So kind

Honestly the hypocrisy here. Meghan must be protected at all costs and anyone criticising her is a racist, jealous loon. However you are free to say whatever spiteful things about Kate that you like?

I agree with your post.

Earl of Dumbarton is Harry's title. They never once said they are refusing it. All they said was that they we're never asked or consulted about Archie's title.

The Archetype definition is very simple, I don't know what is confusing people about it. Glad you put it out.

Also note on Archetype
'Generally, the original model from which something is developed or made; in literary criticism, those images, figures, character types, settings, and story patterns that, according to the Swiss analytical psychologist, Carl Gustav Jung, are universally shared by people across cultures.'

So Diva, Bitch, Dragon lady etc. sound apt to me.

Sigh.

It is pretty obvious that she is using the idea of Jungian archetypes, and is exploring archetypes, as used in that sense, that are applied to women.

Of course you could all them stereotypes if you were hosting your own podcast on the subject, and you would not be wrong, but nor is she to talk of archetypes Jung talks about the The Hero, The Shadow, etc. She is talking about The Diva, The Bitch, The Dragon, The Singleton etc etc.

Ad you don't know that she does not know anything about Jung. There have been only three episodes. Also, she has been working with a lot of pretty smart female academics and other experts, who presumably understand what she is doing, and don't object to it, hence their collaboration with her.

He was also a client of their PR people and they arranged the loan of the house.

@notanotheroneagain - "dresses like a 60 year old"
Just stop with the ageist nonsense.
You don't like her outfits, fine. No need for that.

“Had Harry, who had been assigned a prominent role as a Commonwealth ambassador on the queen’s behalf, been on the tour with Meghan, the optics might have played out differently. Sadly, the significant role Harry and Meghan were expected to play in the life of the Commonwealth—their interracial marriage emblematic of equality, diversity, and unity—was lost when they left. The royal family is an institution based on white inherited privilege. Its future lies in the hands of three white men, and that is a fundamental problem in a diverse country such as Britain and across the countries of the Commonwealth too. Meghan played a huge part in relieving some of this tension; the loss of all she represents as a biracial woman in the royal family, as well as her energy and talent, has had a real impact.”
(Katie Nicholl, The New Royals – Queen Elizabeth’s Legacy)

@ Serenster

The main problem I have with this analysis is that it is premised on the assumption that Meghan actually wanted to bring her energy and talent to representing the Royal Family and the Commonwealth, and therefore would do her best to represent equality, diversity and unity.

• It is not

As we have seen however, this wasn’t something she was particularly interested in doing at all. She in fact valued the opportunity to earn a private income more highly.

• Conjecture; not fact.

I watched that interview and Meghan behaved as if she was the only one there. She never stopped talking. It was the kind of situation where people with good manners (William and Kate) just let the rude person get on with it. It was also the kind of situation where Harry could have/should have found a way to reign her in a bit or at least say when they got home - did you have to talk so much.

The absurd reaction to @notanotheroneagain's very mild comments about Kate as a poor speaker and frumpy dresser really shows the utter hypocrisy of these threads!

You have been cutting, slicing and dicing Meghan unchallenged, but just two comments about Kate drive you into meltdown.

Here is an article from your beloved Daily Mail, source of much recycled Meghan gossip and hate here, talking about how Kate dresses like a 60 year old.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4362380/Why-does-Kate-dress-like-woman-TWICE-age.html

Here is another, calling her the Duchess of Drab and asking how she manages to make even the most beautiful clothes look frumpy

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3530869/Duchess-Drab-s-mystery-cosmos-DOES-beautiful-woman-make-designer-outfits-look-frumpy.html

Here she is called the Duchess of Dull

www.thearticle.com/the-duchess-of-dull-why-kate-just-isnt-stylish

Here is a piece on 27 times she dressed older than her age.

cafemom.com/entertainment/times_kate_middleton_dressed_beyond_her_years

Here is a Quora discussion on why she always looks so old for her age.

www.quora.com/Why-does-the-Duchess-of-Cambridge-look-so-old-for-her-age

Here she is again called Duchess of Drab

www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/456341374724532493/

Let’s hope he has enough respect for his wife that he chooses not to adopt misogynistic behaviours.