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‘Courtiers’ 2

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RandomPenguinHouse · 30/09/2022 11:30

The last thread filled up during a particularly chatty morning.

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MarshaMelrose · 03/10/2022 22:52

I thought it was just nice to see Harry smiling. I know that he's happy at home with his family, but we never see that laughing in public that we used to see before he left the UK. He's just seemed so sombre in public for so long now. I'm really pleased to see some genuine happiness and warmth.

JADS · 03/10/2022 22:55

Meghan looks gorgeous in the colour photo. Love her red trouser suit. Harry just looks really creepy. I don't know if it's smile or something else?

The b&w one reminded me of ABBA.

Arucanafeather · 03/10/2022 23:13

LaMarschallin · 03/10/2022 16:09

Thank you, Arucanafeather, that's exactly what I wanted to say but wouldn't have put it half so well.

By the way, do you keep hens? Just wondering because of the name. I used to have various sorts of bantams but, sadly, no longer.

RandomPenguinHouse

I don't want to derail the thread with my original post, which was meant to be just a small contribution to the misogyny discussion.

A small request: I prefer not to be "@-ed" in general (unless I'm asking a question or something) and I return the favour. It's a nuisance getting the email only to see it's something pretty trivial. Be assured, I usually catch up with threads I've posted on eventually, so will see replies.

I do have hens! I have a few heritage breeds & I just love them.

Arucanafeather · 03/10/2022 23:22

RandomPenguinHouse · 03/10/2022 19:09

Hmm

bullied? because I disagreed with you LaMar and corrected you and responded to your comment about why your name stuck out to me, then responded to your replies to my posts? Hmm

Well I don’t want anyone to make anyone feel like that so let’s move on. I’m not sure if you’ve said yet what you think of the extracts and the book (what we know of ‘Courtiers’). Thoughts?

I think is may be the repeated reference of being someone you clear dislike’s “mucker”. It was making me uncomfortable so I’m not surprised it has made the focus of your comments even more so.

RandomPenguinHouse · 03/10/2022 23:37

Arucanafeather · 03/10/2022 23:22

I think is may be the repeated reference of being someone you clear dislike’s “mucker”. It was making me uncomfortable so I’m not surprised it has made the focus of your comments even more so.

Repeated as in I said it once, the poster said they wouldn't agree, I explained why I used it. So twice in total.

But fair enough. Would it have felt less uncomfortable to you if I'd used 'mate' instead? Genuine question. It wan't meant to be disparaging but to convey that they joked around together so had that type of online friendship. 'Chum' seemed a bit patronising.

I do dislike the poster Mhor. She was racist, trolled, sock-puppeted and was a large part of the reason why (1) MNHQ got tough and banned threads and (2) 'pro' Meghan posters claim that 'anti' Meghan posters are racist - because there was evidence thanks to Mhor and others that this was true in those cases.

To be clear though, I've never seen LaMar behave like that ^^ and I genuinely felt bad she was starting to feel bullied.

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GlorianaCervixia · 04/10/2022 00:41

Meghan is beautiful but the red blouse is too long in the sleeves. She often wears clothes that either swamps her or is too tight. I wonder why she buys expensive clothes (not a criticism, I would too if I had the chance) but doesn’t have them tailored?

Harry looks uncomfortable as always. Does anyone else remember him making fun of William losing his hair? He seems to be struggling to accept his own hair loss because his official photos have a lot of photoshop on the bald patch.

The black and white photo in profile looks very deliberately regal apart from them both looking a little rumpled. Meghan’s blouse and Harry’s suit need a quick steam.

Redfrangipani · 04/10/2022 00:45

Jibbajabba1 · 03/10/2022 22:34

Had to gauge the calibre of the people included, apparently trump was on it too

Queen Elizabeth 2 was on the cover of Time mag at least 10 times

RandomPenguinHouse · 04/10/2022 00:53

Redfrangipani · 04/10/2022 00:45

Queen Elizabeth 2 was on the cover of Time mag at least 10 times

On their World’s 100 Most Influential People cover 10x or just generally?

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Redfrangipani · 04/10/2022 01:24

RandomPenguinHouse · 04/10/2022 00:53

On their World’s 100 Most Influential People cover 10x or just generally?

I don’t know but does it matter? It very well could matter but I can’t see how?

GlorianaCervixia · 04/10/2022 01:46

All the Queen's Time magazine covers were in her own right, not as part of the 100 most influential people.

HeddaGarbled · 04/10/2022 01:50

A new thing seems to be this pitch of the greatest love story: the trees, the office thrones, the salt & pepper, the hand-holding. When you’re 20, it’s sweet. When you’re 40, it’s performative.

RandomPenguinHouse · 04/10/2022 02:03

Redfrangipani · 04/10/2022 01:24

I don’t know but does it matter? It very well could matter but I can’t see how?

I was trying to gauge whether you meant on the cover or on the list, to give you the benefit of the doubt rather than telling you outright that you misled the poster who was saying Trump was on the list.

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Crenshaw · 04/10/2022 02:04

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Crenshaw · 04/10/2022 02:17

Oops I quoted the wrong post on the wrong thread. Not sure how that happened.
Ignore!

Redfrangipani · 04/10/2022 02:56

RandomPenguinHouse · 04/10/2022 02:03

I was trying to gauge whether you meant on the cover or on the list, to give you the benefit of the doubt rather than telling you outright that you misled the poster who was saying Trump was on the list.

Okay, I think I understand your meaning now.

It is never my intention to mislead.

I have no idea if he was on the list this year but I doubt it. In fact, I hope not. Scarey to think he’d be that influential still.

But @Jibbajabba1 said ‘…apparently Trump was on it too.’ And it was a statement not a question, yeah? And that meant the list? So now I’m wondering was he on the list?

Redfrangipani · 04/10/2022 03:12

Redfrangipani · 04/10/2022 02:56

Okay, I think I understand your meaning now.

It is never my intention to mislead.

I have no idea if he was on the list this year but I doubt it. In fact, I hope not. Scarey to think he’d be that influential still.

But @Jibbajabba1 said ‘…apparently Trump was on it too.’ And it was a statement not a question, yeah? And that meant the list? So now I’m wondering was he on the list?

Okay… my mistake,…..this list we are talking about is 2021? I thought it was this year that we were talking about. As I said, my mistake. Apologies that I confused anyone. No, deliberate intention to mislead.

greenteafiend · 04/10/2022 04:07

It’s also hard for any couple when they enter into a transatlantic relationship as homesickness can apply and a yearning for the security of your roots and home country. I can easily understand how MM found it hard to encompass the UK plus the RF, but equally well I can’t help but think it’s going to be hard for PH to adjust to a permanent future in America and leaving behind the basic safety net of his own family with all that entails- both good and bad.

I'm in an international marriage myself, as are the majority of my friends (I live outside the UK).

IMs are tough and require work, sacrifices and realistic expectations.

They tend to work best when the non-native spouse (the one who is residing in other spouse's country) maintains reasonably strong and solid links with their own country, like having some local friends who also come from the same country, maintaining strong relations with friends and extended family members back in their home country, and so on.

A "Our Little Family" mentality where friends and family from the "other country" get devalued and cast aside is unlikely to work long-term, IME.

The Royal Family did a poor job of integrating Meghan (although in part, H and M made some poor choices as well in this regard). Over in the States, Harry does seem to have alienated a really high % of people in his former pre-Meghan existence (not just his family but also his army buddies and so on), and I'm not sure this has been a great move.

greenteafiend · 04/10/2022 04:27

Mary was put up in an apartment in Paris before her engagement so she could start learning Danish and what the requirements of her role would be.
It's a shame Meghan didn't have something similar but maybe her age played a part if they wanted to have children. It does seem like they just ignored everyone telling them to slow down and rushed straight in, though.

It might have been better if they'd had a private wedding, and then the RF had found Meghan somewhere discreet and private (with loads of security) to live for a few years, having a couple of babies while getting to grips with the royal family setup away from the eyes of the press. It would also have given her a chance to make a decision about whether she wanted to be a working royal or not. By that time, the press excitement would have died down, and she would have had a better understanding of the expectations involved.

elessar · 04/10/2022 06:02

greenteafiend · 04/10/2022 04:27

Mary was put up in an apartment in Paris before her engagement so she could start learning Danish and what the requirements of her role would be.
It's a shame Meghan didn't have something similar but maybe her age played a part if they wanted to have children. It does seem like they just ignored everyone telling them to slow down and rushed straight in, though.

It might have been better if they'd had a private wedding, and then the RF had found Meghan somewhere discreet and private (with loads of security) to live for a few years, having a couple of babies while getting to grips with the royal family setup away from the eyes of the press. It would also have given her a chance to make a decision about whether she wanted to be a working royal or not. By that time, the press excitement would have died down, and she would have had a better understanding of the expectations involved.

Undoubtedly it would have been, but it would never have worked because that's not what Meghan (and Harry) wanted.

She wanted to 'hit the ground running' and jump straight in as a senior working royal - they both reacted badly to the suggestion that she could continue her acting career. I can only imagine how the claims of racism would have been raised loudly and earlier if the RF had been perceived to be trying to keep a mixed race family member behind closed doors and away from the public eye.

Gilmorehill · 04/10/2022 07:11

greenteafiend · 04/10/2022 04:07

It’s also hard for any couple when they enter into a transatlantic relationship as homesickness can apply and a yearning for the security of your roots and home country. I can easily understand how MM found it hard to encompass the UK plus the RF, but equally well I can’t help but think it’s going to be hard for PH to adjust to a permanent future in America and leaving behind the basic safety net of his own family with all that entails- both good and bad.

I'm in an international marriage myself, as are the majority of my friends (I live outside the UK).

IMs are tough and require work, sacrifices and realistic expectations.

They tend to work best when the non-native spouse (the one who is residing in other spouse's country) maintains reasonably strong and solid links with their own country, like having some local friends who also come from the same country, maintaining strong relations with friends and extended family members back in their home country, and so on.

A "Our Little Family" mentality where friends and family from the "other country" get devalued and cast aside is unlikely to work long-term, IME.

The Royal Family did a poor job of integrating Meghan (although in part, H and M made some poor choices as well in this regard). Over in the States, Harry does seem to have alienated a really high % of people in his former pre-Meghan existence (not just his family but also his army buddies and so on), and I'm not sure this has been a great move.

I’m in a similar marriage and I totally agree with you. I don’t think it’s at all healthy for someone to just cut off all ties with their home country. I’m not sure I agree about what you said about the RF. M was there for about five minutes. Relationships with in laws take time to develop, especially when people are so different.

jeffgoldblum · 04/10/2022 08:22

@RandomPenguinHouse , did you mean me? , I don't mind posters @ me , I don't receive notifications , I didn't want a particular poster doing at me constantly in a bullying way.

jeffgoldblum · 04/10/2022 08:25

Any way glad your back , before thread fills up! 😄

DuchessOfPort · 04/10/2022 08:53

I think that often the reason Meghan doesn’t have her clothes tailored to fit her is that she gets them sent to her for free to wear and perhaps a has to send them back? Other royal women buy their clothes (probably the pricy ones at a discount) and can chop them about all they want for a good fit.

the black and white photo makes me wonder if they’re trying to manifest being on coins one day.

Ohnonevermind · 04/10/2022 08:58

The photos are nice - a lot of photoshopping though

But they’re not working royals, they’re not much of anything really these days, so the photos smack of vanity project rather than anything more meaningful.

But it’s their money,

I expect they will relaunch ‘the tig’ soon to bring in money, they have a fan base they can flog stuff to

Liila · 04/10/2022 09:00

'Meghan looks gorgeous in the colour photo. Love her red trouser suit. Harry just looks really creepy. I don't know if it's smile or something else?'

They look like they're smirking. Just an awful, typically tone deaf pose.

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