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Rushingfool · 2022-09-24T12:00:24+00:00

Anyone else think The Times should not be printing extracts from this new book about Royal Courtiers at this time? Incredibly stupid given that H&M are trying to mend fences? I feel really quite cross for everyone involved - William's efforts to build bridges etc, all going to be in vain now. Very naughty.

DFOD · 25/09/2022 21:12

IrisVersicolor · 25/09/2022 20:18

The title of the book is COURTIERS.

My post was referring to the the pp’s post that the “palace” handled M badly.

If that poster meant “courtiers” then palace was the wrong word as the palace includes the RF.

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Wow this is tedious.

That was VL terminology in his Tweet.

Pick it up with him.

But as they don’t all live in “the palace” - Windsor Castle / Frogmore Cottage / Clarence House / Kensington Palace etc …. and Buckingham Palace is often referred to as “the office” - we can conclude that he means the admin / management structure rather than the blood relatives

cyclamenqueen · 25/09/2022 21:13

Completely off topic but I thought it was lovely to see Chelsey Davy ( can’t remember her married name) at the Windsor Castle funeral last week.

Coucous · 25/09/2022 21:15

Liila · 25/09/2022 19:18

'One former palace insider believes the way the developing crisis was handled was “incompetent beyond belief”. They said: “I think Meghan thought she was going to be the Beyoncé of the UK. Being part of the royal family would give her that kudos. Whereas what she discovered was that there were so many rules that were so ridiculous that she couldn’t even do the things that she could do as a private individual, which is tough . . . It just required the decision-makers to sit around a table and say, ‘OK, what are we going to do about this? What do you need to feel better? And what can we give?’ ”

This one rings true for me.

Why would Meghan think this. Even from an acting POV - people leave here to make it big in HW. There's nothing career wise in the UK for her. TBF - she gave up a lot to even come here - I would have never. She retired from her career to join the RF - then she was pushed out. She would have been better off not even stepping foot here.

What I am learning from all of this is that. Harry and Meghan should have been friendly with PM, CT, VA and all the tabloids and given them all the stories, pictures etc - this is how they would have had positive stories printed etc. They should have just played the game .........

I still doubt somehow as the popularity would have overshadowed other RF members and they would have likely been thrown under the bus anyway. I am not sure there was any way to win this.

Coucous · 25/09/2022 21:16

cyclamenqueen · 25/09/2022 21:13

Completely off topic but I thought it was lovely to see Chelsey Davy ( can’t remember her married name) at the Windsor Castle funeral last week.

The Zimbabwean girl who's father was friends with Mugabe? Interesting how she was liked despite her family's dodgy background. . . .
At least she was smart enough to choose a normal life

RandomPenguinHouse · 25/09/2022 21:16

IrisVersicolor · 25/09/2022 20:31

Nice try. She used the wrong word that’s ok.

The palace is not used as shorthand for anything but the palace.

When “the palace” is used in the press it refers to the whole institution. If the staff only is referred to usually “palace officials” is used.

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I don't fully agree, but we can agree to disagree.

myrtleWilson · 25/09/2022 21:17

IrisVersicolor · 25/09/2022 20:50

I think the problem is that anyone can be a friend of Elvis on the internet.

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Love this line - I am also partial to the "sure Jan" gif...

CPL593H · 25/09/2022 21:17

Wouldlovetobeinthesun · 25/09/2022 20:46

Arbesque why is that so hard for you to believe? Those that work there are normal people who have normal friends.

And normal confidentiality agreements.

I know one stonking bit of Hollywood gossip (and it is from a proper insider and I don't doubt it) I'm not going to stick it on a public forum although I owe the people involved nothing.

Re: Meghan and Harry (and I do think the Harry part of that is frequently overlooked) I sadly think the gloves are off and unless something changes the dynamic soon, there will be damage all round, to the RF and ultimately to them. I'm still at the stage of wishing the Queens death could have made a more lasting peace break out, somehow.

StormzyinaTCup · 25/09/2022 21:19

I do think if I were Meghan I would have never promised to work full time for the RF. If she had done her research about the UK she would have known it would have never worked. They should have stayed elsewhere and offered to do some work in the commonwealth for the RF.

You don’t think that maybe her husband was best placed to advise her about his own family? there should be no need for her to do research. He didn’t advise her, he sat back and she cracked on.
Then it all went to 💩

HannaHanna · 25/09/2022 21:20

Does anyone know what happened with Sunshine Sachs? I’m hoping H&M fired them.

Coucous · 25/09/2022 21:21

Arbesque · 25/09/2022 20:50

Because it's so easy to say 'oh I have a friend who knows everything blah blah'
I have a sibling who works in the media and I work for a well known person. Stuff you know through work or hear from someone confidentially through their work is not stuff you post idly on mumsnet.
You just don't.

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Except people do it all the time. The death - we knew she had died through people who work closely with people who would know. It spread like wildfire! I was surprised how the whole country knew hours before any announcements were made. People posted on social media and deleted etc - People talk in general.

Gilmorehill · 25/09/2022 21:22

Tbf MM wasn’t really giving up a lot as her (only ever) TV series was coming to an end and there was apparently nothing else on the horizon. I think she was excited at the platform the RF could provide but didn’t like the donkey work i.e. shaking dozens of strangers’ hands. She didn’t really give royal life a go but is trying to make a living off it. It doesn’t seem like a very authentic way to live your life.

RandomPenguinHouse · 25/09/2022 21:22

HannaHanna · 25/09/2022 21:20

Does anyone know what happened with Sunshine Sachs? I’m hoping H&M fired them.

I suspect it was the other way round.

It's been rumoured that H&M were behind on paying their bills.Not sure I believe that but there are other reasons I have heard suggested and can think of that makes me veer towards suspecting that Sunshine Sachs wanted out.

HannaHanna · 25/09/2022 21:22

I still doubt somehow as the popularity would have overshadowed other RF members and they would have likely been thrown under the bus anyway.

Can you expand on this? I just don’t understand the whole concept of H&M’s popularity being somehow a threat. What bad thing would happen if the brother of the future king was popular?

Coucous · 25/09/2022 21:23

StormzyinaTCup · 25/09/2022 21:19

I do think if I were Meghan I would have never promised to work full time for the RF. If she had done her research about the UK she would have known it would have never worked. They should have stayed elsewhere and offered to do some work in the commonwealth for the RF.

You don’t think that maybe her husband was best placed to advise her about his own family? there should be no need for her to do research. He didn’t advise her, he sat back and she cracked on.
Then it all went to 💩

People in interracial relationships usually find out the truth about some of their family members when they get married. Perhaps he thought they were fine until . . . .

notanotheroneagain · 25/09/2022 21:27

If it is true as the article says that M did H a massive favour in showing him a way to leave the RF, I am happy for him. I just can’t understand why he doesn’t look a lot happier and drop all the incriminations and petty pot shots. Along with his wife. Let them go off into the sunset and build their lives, quietly and without drama. It’s time to stop all the briefings and twitterings on both sides and learn to move on.

How about VL and the courtiers stay stand back?
H&M never said anything and were respectful during the funeral. The palace 'sources' can stop with the potshots etc.

TheTantrumoftheToddlerIsThere · 25/09/2022 21:28

Chelsy wasn’t given an easy ride with the media either. She was portrayed as a vapid party girl despite training hard as a solicitor. The media also highlighted her father’s dealings and after being criticised by the press he sold his shares in the business.

In Chelsy’s own words “If you go out once, they take a picture, but they don’t take a picture of you going to work every morning, it’s of you falling out of a nightclub at 4am.” I don’t think any women associated with the royal family have been given an easy ride.

notanotheroneagain · 25/09/2022 21:30

Harry looks more miserable/ angry than ever

Only when the BM is around from the looks of it.

RandomPenguinHouse · 25/09/2022 21:30

Coucous · 25/09/2022 21:23

People in interracial relationships usually find out the truth about some of their family members when they get married. Perhaps he thought they were fine until . . . .

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At least in Meghan's case she could find out the truth about her new husband's attitude towards race from the tabloids... Quite a handy heads-up really.

Coucous · 25/09/2022 21:35

Gilmorehill · 25/09/2022 21:22

Tbf MM wasn’t really giving up a lot as her (only ever) TV series was coming to an end and there was apparently nothing else on the horizon. I think she was excited at the platform the RF could provide but didn’t like the donkey work i.e. shaking dozens of strangers’ hands. She didn’t really give royal life a go but is trying to make a living off it. It doesn’t seem like a very authentic way to live your life.

I feel she was, people have different standards - she would have had a great career without the RF. It really wasn't worth it. Being dragged across tabloids for a British Royal. She could have married any other Royal - the outcome would have been different. I doubt she would have received so much hate and bullying.

She managed over 5Million in earning on Suits - that's quite something for anyone. Some people don't even make that much in a lifetime. They love each other so I guess that's all that matters. People have given up a lot more for love.

Tootiredtoogiveatoss · 25/09/2022 21:35

Izzwizzo · 25/09/2022 18:56

I've lurked on these threads but never posted as I'm a supporter of the RF and a supporter of MM despite thinking she's made some dubious decisions but the one point that continues to baffle me is why there is not more anger directed towards PH. I might be being spectacularly dim but I cannot understand why anyone thinks he's been a decent husband to MM. Someone unthread commented on MM being thrown under the bus and it appears to me that the majority of negative press articles around her are either down to him or his fault. He keeps chucking her under the bus.All of the comments in the OW interview could and should have been explained by him. He cannot be so stupid not to realise that by MM actually making the comments that all the negative press would therefore be directed at her. Tiaragate was him allegedly shouting and swearing at a member of staff not her and at the very least he would have understood that some of the recent decisions around HMQ's funeral were military protocol not RF protocol. Likewise all of the protocol issues raised again and again re curtsying and hats would have been known and should have been explained by him. And don't even get me started on the fact that he did not get her mental health help when needed and allowed her to go out that night. I'm no particular fan of MM and I do dislike some of her more pass agg comments in interviews and articles but I cannot believe that it's so simplistic that the RF didn't want her and constantly briefed against her. I personally think that her husband is the architect of all of these issues and if I was a friend of hers I'd be pointing out the red flags and telling her to run for the hills. Maybe I'm completely wrong but I'd be interested in other's opinions

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Coucous · 25/09/2022 21:37

RandomPenguinHouse · 25/09/2022 21:30

At least in Meghan's case she could find out the truth about her new husband's attitude towards race from the tabloids... Quite a handy heads-up really.

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As a kid everyone makes mistakes - she had chosen to marry him by then - still doesn't change that Harry couldn't have briefed Meghan that some of his family members were different . . . if he thought they were ok - until they rejected her . . . subtly.

Arbesque · 25/09/2022 21:38

Coucous · 25/09/2022 21:21

Except people do it all the time. The death - we knew she had died through people who work closely with people who would know. It spread like wildfire! I was surprised how the whole country knew hours before any announcements were made. People posted on social media and deleted etc - People talk in general.

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But that was a sudden tragic death, not a confidential piece of information. Very different.

MissMarpleRocks · 25/09/2022 21:40

From the third article it seems to be laying the blame on the courtiers not understanding the issues the couple had.

Thank you for the share token myrtle

DuchessOfPort · 25/09/2022 21:46

“As a kid everyone makes mistakes”? Is that how racism gets written off by the Sussex Squad on this board? Amazing. Who knew you let it all go so lightly!

Coucous · 25/09/2022 21:47

DuchessOfPort · 25/09/2022 21:46

“As a kid everyone makes mistakes”? Is that how racism gets written off by the Sussex Squad on this board? Amazing. Who knew you let it all go so lightly!

Please don't call me Sussex Squad whatever the hell that is. Did he apologise or no? I don't believe he is racist which is more than I can say for some members of his family.