Removing E:R from Harry’s Uniform

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I am certainly not one of H&M’s fans but I think that for someone to actually remove the ER initials from his military uniform for the vigil was beyond petty.

The decision was made to allow him to wear a military uniform, fine, Andrew was also given permission but to take the time and trouble to remove the Queen’s initials from the epaulettes was, I think, really childish. I know he has chosen to not be a working Royal but the initals were left on Andrew’s epaulettes so why were Harry’s removed?

Apart from anything else, this will just add grist to the mill of H&M’s litany of complaints but for once, I think they’d be justified in being upset by this.

Expect I’ll be flamed for this and there are many more important things going on in the world but I do think this was a snotty thing to do to Harry.

Yes. To be horribly crude, Andrew can go fuck himself.

Protocol is protocol end of

This is why, I'm afraid, I cannot stand any of the Yorks, their partners, and their ghastly circle of leeches.

For all we know she may well have tried to help or advise, it’s just that Diana didn’t find it helpful or wise, or it just wasn’t good advice. Who knows.

Diana was a very emotionally needy, vulnerable and volatile person. It’s incredibly difficult to properly advise such a person, and to a certain extent no amount of advice will be enough.

That’s not what H and M said. They intimated that she was wonderful to them. Strange that they would do their best to destroy the reputation of the family and all she had worked for all her life in return.

It's really sad about Harry. He fell in love with a beautiful but unsuitable woman, and married her. It's turned his life upside down, and I fear that neither of them will live happily ever.

Yes very true. We only have Diana’s version, but Diana was clear that the Queen was no help at all.

I should add that it’s really hard to gauge how wise the Queen was. There’s one old quote of hers about change that I love, but who knows if she fully wrote such things herself.

I do get the impression she was pretty switched on and witty though, and more intelligent than some in the family.

Sorry, my spell check automatically corrected that.

Roya Nikkah is the Sunday Times reporter who came up with the story that the Sussex camp are unhappy with the uniform, insignia etc. Portraying them as throwing some kind of tantrum. She claims to have spoken to Sussex friends, which I don't believe.

Roya also ran the story that after the OW interview, H&W had a call. How could she had known about the call taking place in the first place as it was between the brothers. Gayle in the US (CBS?) asked H if the call took place, did they actually reconcile, H said yes, there was a call but no reconciliation. This was when Roya and BM came up with the story that H was not to be trusted as he was running to the press to leak, when it was William who did that first and Harry only confirmed.

Haven’t read the thread
I was so disappointed he didn’t shave as a mark of respect to his grandmother

Im not sure beards are allowed in the army?
( only navy)
so whatever was right or wrong with his uniform his appearance in itself was incorrect ?

My point being that she can put her foot down regarding some things like Andrew etc.

But H&M were indeed being polite about her, but indicated that she was getting bad advice (from the institution).

It's easy to keep saying they were attacking the queen, but this is simply not true.

It's easy to keep saying they were attacking the queen, but this is simply not true.

You may have to change your opinion if they go ahead with their publishing plans.

I suppose that was half her reign ago - maybe she got wiser?

The tabloids have more reports that H&M are still insulted that they aren't attending the reception with heads of state.

I don't get it: They made a big to-do about not wanting to be working royals, and moved to America, and were vocal in the media about their gripes. But now they are affronted that they are not being treated as working royals?

It was removed from the Uniform because he is no longer an Aide De Camp. He is no longer in the service of the late Queen. He hasn’t been one since he left he Royal Family and went to America. The others are still Aide De Camps and have the ER on their epaulet.

Harry must have known this would happen or had happened and if not it doesn’t say much about his military know how.

According to the mail (yes, I know!) they were invited & then uninvited.

That would be shit-if true, obviously.

Would such a mistake be made?

It's clearly not a family occasion!

Would they have wanted to go anyway?

Gosh, who would expect actual princes, raised in a bizarre bubble of extreme privilege, to be a bit entitled?

I'm SHOCKED, I tell you. SHOCKED.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I also always laugh that people think Harry is the more entitled of the 2.

Growing up he was always the more popular and more laid back and the more integrated into school life with his peers than William.

(That's as integrated with RL most etonians are!)

Some of his Etonian year group had a very misogynistic attitude at an early age and he often pulled them up for it.

I don't think he's essentially changed from that boy. Just become very weary of how his life was paved for him from birth as the spare and the bumps along the route to still always being the spare. And eventually walked away.

I think the walking away is what people can't handle. They seem to think he should be grateful for the privilege that comes with being a royal. But I'd question how much privilege there is in having to live your life a certain way when you aren't even in the top 5 heirs!
And as I said above - Money doesn't buy you happiness. Happiness is hard without the freedoms to be you.

Plus he was and is always thrown under the bus to protect his older brother.

At lot of the tabloid publications NEED conflict within the family to drive more clicks, shift more papers.

A reconciliation won't suit them at all, and especially writers like Nikkah, who've spent the last few years lambasting Harry and Meghan and who will might have to do an embarrassing volte force of the brothers reconcile

It's completely in their own interests to keep churning out these stories, it's just amazing to me that people still eat them up.

I think (I'm sure it was said somewhere a few years ago) Harry's biggest or one of the biggest gripes he has with the RF is that they don't allow the truth to be published.

So when he's thrown under the bus or quoted falsely or saying things he's expected to - stuff upper lip and ignore.

But he won his libel case. So that should actually tell us something.

Probably all true. Now he has the chance
ro live his own life though he doesn’t seem
happy at all. Just perpetually complaining and seeing slights everywhere. He has the chance his brother and father don’t have to live a life on his own terms , away from the UK. He’s actually very lucky. Instead he looks for things to moan about.

He could make big efforts to heal the rifts and build bridges, whilst continuing to build a life over seas on his own terms. He doesn’t need to reference his Royal connections continually. He doesn’t need to use his titles or call himself a Prince. He should be delighted if his children aren’t HRH. Instead he is in a permanent state of indignation.

I’m sure he wasn’t too keen on the truth being published about some of the dodgy things he got up to in the past though. Funny that. His ‘truth’ like Meghan's, is selective .

It was sickening. Absolutely sickening.

See you can just never be sure can you? I read that H was a massive bully at school, who had to be dragged kicking and screaming through all his academics thus ending up with no degree and his army career being limited by this. He could have done specialist education courses provided by the army, which would have meant he could continue to climb the ranks but wasn't thought to have been capable of completing them, and so his army career came to a natural end.

This seems very likely. HMQ believed in never complain, never explain. This is why the stories about Catherine then Meghan were ignored. She knew if they stuck it out, this would pass and the strategy was very effective after Diana’s death.

Harry otoh sees everything through the lens of the belief the press killed his mum.

i had a friend’s brother in his year and house at school and he didn’t say anything about bullying to be fair but that he was louder and more spoilt than William, who was more mature for his age. William apparently was just head-down and get on with it and generally more liked by his peers.

i have heard similar from other OEs but this guy had a lot more exposure to him than them.